This morning’s YouGov/Sun daily polling results are here. Topline figures are CON 33%, LAB 38%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 13%. Two noteworthy things in the regular trackers – one, the gap between the people blaming the government for the cuts (29%) and the people blaming Labour (33%) is the lowest YouGov have had so far. Two, people appear to be getting less worried, the 63% of people who say they worry about having enough money to live on is the lowest they’ve shown since the election, so is the 53% who worry about losing their job or having difficulty finding work. Both are presumably a sign of economic optimism continuing to creep slowly upwards.

Meanwhile the twice-weekly Populus poll yesterday had figures of CON 32%, LAB 37%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 15%. Full tabs are here.

590 Responses to “YouGov/Sun – CON 33, LAB 38, LD 10, UKIP 13”

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    “Post Iraq the UK lacks moral authority to condemn any invasion.”

    Yet it is probably the most critical E-W stand-off for the past several decades, involves a post-industrial country of 50m. people, tests the question of whether the EU can stand as an entity in determining the outcome, and whether it could do so without British support, poses the question of whether this is a a confrontation or a dialogue with Russia, risks a bloody confrontation in the Ukraine, and threatens future stabilty in other peripheral dependencies or former members of the Russian Federation.
    This is not a matter of our moral authority. It is a matter of supporting an international response from which the UK can’t escape. This is not high theatre.

  2. I won’t name names but I really do think that there are one or two posters on here beginning to make absolute fools of not only themselves but the whole site too.

    In that sense, SDC, a new poster here I think, is absolutely right.

  3. @ Howard


  4. crossbat11

    I agree, and have often thought that, but if we name names AW will quite rightly step so its best to leave it.

    More interestingly the West Indies are 49-4 against England.

  5. @TOH

    “More interestingly the West Indies are 49-4 against England.”

    Not surprised really; the Windies are a poor side in Test and 50 overs cricket, particularly without Gayle. They can pass muster in T20, but that’s about it.

    One of the great tragedies of international cricket has been the catastrophic decline in West Indian cricket over the last 15 to 20 years. It’s gone from being a hotbed of the game to an ailing outpost and it’s both stark and shocking to see how British West Indians have deserted the game over here too. When I started playing club cricket in the 1960s every club had a strong nucleus of West Indian players and grounds like Edgbaston and the Oval would be packed to the rafters with British West Indians when those great Windies touring sides of those eras came over here to play. By the time I retired from playing about 7 years ago, they were nowhere to be seen in the English game. They are sorely missed.

  6. Thanks for a couple of supporting comments. But I should apologize to TOH / Colin really.

    Like a lot of people, I can find it a bit irritating when people express opinions different to my own, and sometimes it all gets too much! But I will try harder in future.

    I still think the idea that the Ukraine debate has split on right / left lines somewhat implausible.

    And I’m missing the cricket unfortunately. I’m supposed to be working and I don’t have Sky anyway.

  7. Natalie Bennett at the Green Party spring conference: “When the Green Party argued for a minimum wage a decade ago, it was a radical idea, now it’s mainstream.”

    I’ll leave you all to check the dates on that one.

  8. Crossbat
    Yes, I’m surprised AW has let it go on,although he may have taken the afternoon off to celebrate the news from Mr N !
    SDF does seem to have hit the nail on the head.

  9. crossbat11

    I certainly agree with you about the West Indies, it is truly sad to see a once great side (what marvellous fast bowlers, I saw them all in their pomp) gone to seed. Apparently the youngsters find richer pickings in the USA. As for England, we need to do well after that dreadful tour to Australia. The best test cricket at the moment is the current SA v Aussie.

    No offence taken on my part as I said to crossbatt11 I often feel the same.

  10. Crossbat11
    Young West Indians (who are actuallyWest Indian in the West Indies) aspire to become baseball and basketball players. It’s the money, see (that was my Jimmy Cagney impression for today).

    The grandchildren of the original emigres to the UK aspire to be accountants and lawyers, and failing that, footballers or racing drivers, in other words just like every other UK child.

  11. @SDC

    “And I’m missing the cricket unfortunately. I’m supposed to be working and I don’t have Sky anyway.”


    Radio 5 Live Extra, SDC. Test Match Special!!!! Then you can work and listen at the same time….

  12. SDF

    No offence taken on my part as I said to crossbatt11 I often feel the same.

    That was obviously meant for you, posting quickly between overs

  13. @Howard

    Dnipropetrovsk is a suburb of Kiev in the same way Edinburgh is a suburb of Birmingham

  14. Admittedly, maybe not all jobs are compatible with listening to the cricket…

  15. New Populus figures:

    Lab 38 (+1)
    Cons 33 (+1)
    LD 9 (-1)
    UKIP 13 (-2)
    Oth 7 (+1)

  16. Mr N
    Hurrah, well done sir! What a relief.

    Guymonde – I already wrote that did I not? Thanks anyway.

  17. Howard

    Still polldrums though.

  18. Howard
    I was gently pointing out that Dnipro is 250 miles from Kiev (and possibly annoying Oldnat )

    Polling is a bit dull. Perhaps we can get the Daily Mail to start something…..

    ‘This is not a matter of our moral authority. It is a matter of supporting an international response from which the UK can’t escape. This is not high theatre.’

    Even the most flagrant act of aggression – which is probably unlikely – would invite the response – ‘people in glasshouses should not throw stones’. Who are we to condemn them when we give shelter to our own war criminals?

  20. The Ukraine events are interesting in terms of people’s reactions over here. Usually politically savvy people have a fairly set world view into which any events can be slotted. The Ukraine is not so easy, hence, perhaps, Amber Star taking up a position which appears perilously close to being an apologist for Russian intervention, while I suspect those of an anti-EU disposition will struggle to reconcile sympathy for a small nation apparently being leant on by a bullying neighbour, with the fact that the protesters were waving EU flags and appeared willing to die for the cause of alignment with the EU rather than Russia.

    I would be interested to hear from those on here of a generally right-wing disposition, whether they think (a) we should leave the Ukrainians to sort themselves out as it’s no part of the concerns of the UK, EU or USA, (b) the EU has no business getting involved in foreign affairs and should leave it to the big boys to sort out or (c) the EU encouraged the Ukrainians and needs to show some backbone in supporting the new government, standing up to Russia and offering financial help and concrete benefits to the Ukraine, with the UK playing a full and positive part.

  21. GRAHAM
    Noone”s condemning them, at least, not me Guv.


    @”My post was not intended to be polemical.”

    Sorry for the delay in response.

    Accepted entirely-I meant no offence to you & will try to re-phrase.

    The facts are for all of us to glean from tv reports. Multiple tv news channels are a boon these days on occasions like this..

    The facts of Putin’s intervention seem less clear to me than the intention behind them. Your interpretation seems very trusting of him-hence my remark re Amber’s stance.

    I am less sanguine , and feel that an engineered secession of Crimea from Ukraine might be the intent.

    Anyway-we will find out in due course.


    Perhaps I can respond to your questions being of a “right wing disposition”

    a)Broadly yes. Military intervention is unthinkable imo. Even economic support seems fraught with risk to me until a/the new administration in Kiev has proved its credentials & received general international recognition.
    b)Disagree-Diplomatic efforts to get a peaceful solution & no further bloodshed must be open to any outside party with good intentions towards the Ukrainian people.
    c) I think EU/UK should encourage the new government to prove that it represents its people.

    But of course your questions ignore the real problem of Ukrainians who see themselves as “Russian” and wish to be under Mother Russia’s wing, rather than that of Brussels.

    This is where the tensions arise-& outsiders will always struggle with the nuances of situations like this.

  24. COLIN
    Thanks for that.

  25. Mr N – my guess Natalie Bennett means the living wage but I could be wrong.

  26. Jim-jam
    The Ukraine gas pipeline supplies central and East Europe.
    The Germans / Russians built a new northern gas pipeline (called NorthStream) to avoid dependence on the Ukrainian pipeline.
    Russia is current planning another pipeline across Black Sea !(called SouthStream) to give access to Balkans and Italy. This pipeline carefully avoids any Ukrainian territorial waters.

    While the Uk does not have direct imports via Ukraine, closure of that pipeline would have an impact on gas supplies across Europe and so would push up gas prices in UK too.


  27. Thanks Paul

    BTW – nooo fred everyone

  28. SDC

    No worries.

    Share your frustration at not being able to watch the cricket-and I do have Sky !

  29. Re: Harman et al

    I think we need a reality check on this issue.

    I am, I think, one of the few people (perhaps the only person) posting here who have any actual experience of PIE or who has had any sort of discussion with members of that organisation. This was, of course, a long time ago, but even with my defective memory I can tell you straight away that PIE was not simply accepted into the fold of “civil rights” organisations. It was contested from the moment it started organising and “entering” other groups.

    I was involved in the gay rights movement, not directly with NCCL, but the issue was the same. Most civil rights groups in the 70s were poorly constituted. With a woolly liberal desire to be “democratic” and an intense dislike of “Authoritarianism” they deliberately avoided structures that would ensure their integrity – making them prey to “entryists” of all kinds, not just PIE. And entryist organisations, whatever else they disagree on (and usually it’s nearly everything) agree on one fundamental point – their right to be entryists.

    Once your organisation has been infiltrated it’s very hard to re-establish its autonomy. I am confident that NCCL was as riddled with Trots and Anarchists as the gay movement was; and these were the people who “supported” PIE in an unholy alliance to maintain “entryists” rights. These were the people who hissed and booed me when, mumbling and callow 19 year old that I was, when I first attempted to face down a very practiced, eloquent, coherent PIE representative at a student gay activist conference.

    But I got through that experience and continued to be an activist. The opposition to PIE within the gay rights movement was organised at first by Lesbian and feminists groups, and those of us who were ideologically allied with feminism. We were not the only opposition – a lot of the “straight acting” end of the movement were virulently opposed too, and not just beause they didn’t want anyone to “rock the boat” (as PIE advocates characterised it) – believe me, there was genuine horror and disgust at this organisation, but the civil rights movement in general was not equipt to deal with them.

  30. @ Colin

    Thanks, that’s a thoughtful and interesting response that avoids a kneejerk anti-EU reaction. I think that, love it or loathe it, we have to accept that the EU has a role in this affair and hope that it lives up to the responsibility.

    Regarding the Russian minority, as usual in these cases, the alternatives appear to be either to create an inclusive state with sufficient guarantees to keep all minorities feeling represented and not victims; or partition. Most of us in the west would favour a democratic, inclusive Ukraine (of course) and hope that the new government would lean over backwards to set at rest the fears of all minorities, and it’s perhaps in guaranteeing that, that the EU could have a positive role. It remains to be seen whether Russia is gearing up for de facto partition, which seems to be the pattern in other ‘breakaway republics’, or simply putting pressure on Ukraine to look after its minorities.

    It would be interesting to see Amber Star’s views from an alternative perspective.

  31. Postage
    Anecdotes and personal testaments can be tedious on here but yours is a most welcome, informative and honest contribution.
    Thanks and well done to your 19 year olds self.

  32. JOHN KAY


    I would veer towards the first of your two Putin intentions.

    I think so because it gives him control.

    Russia is losing influence in its own backyard in a serious way now. First Georgia-now Ukraine. Putin doesn’t seem like the sort of chap who will watch the “old empire” slip quietly away.

  33. Postage.

    I echo Jim Jam’s comments on your informative contribution.

    Thank you.

  34. CB 11

    “What sought of illiterate am I turning into?? ”

    A brummie illiterate.

    the very worst type apparently.

  35. No offence.

  36. @ Postage Included

    The opposition to PIE within the gay rights movement was organised at first by Lesbian and feminists groups, and those of us who were ideologically allied with feminism.
    I know from personal experience that you continue to support feminists; I am in awe of your courageous ‘younger self’; & I admire you for having remained constant over the years.

  37. @ John Kay

    It would be interesting to see Amber Star’s views from an alternative perspective.
    I think that there is an automatic presumption that Russia is a force for ‘bad’ & that the EU/ USA are a force for ‘good’; I do not think that should be the starting assumption. From my perspective, the EU & the US are motivated by self-interested, as is Russia.

    The media will try to whip up some sabre rattling East v West rhetoric. Let us hope that the UK public do not fall for it. The public’s view of Syria was correct despite some attempts to create & leverage anti-Russian sentiment; & I hope that the public will show the same good sense regarding this situation.

  38. @AW

    I wonder whether YG are considering polling on WW1. Max Hastings argued persuasively earlier this week that WW1 was a necasseary war with Germany most responsible. Niall Furguson argues the opposite on BBC2 at 9pm this evening.

    I ask because the public’s view on this matter may affect their view on Ukraine.

  39. Necessary.

  40. Hastings’ programme was excellent.

    Waiting eagerly for Ferguson’s this evening.

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