Comments on: Sefton Central

By: Lancs Observer

Lancs Observer — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:23 +0000

The proposed Bootle seat also includes Vauxhall in Lpool. I think Liverpool Ports or Seaport/Freeport was a counter proposal name for the seat. Whilst its true that Vauxhall and Crosby are chalk and cheese socially, so are Speke and Woolton in the Garston seat.

By: John Chanin

John Chanin — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:27:16 +0000

Crosby isn’t any different from similar suburbs around other big cities. Social change has pushed the rich further out, while the houses are older and less well maintained.

Consider Hall Green and Halesowen in Greater Birmingham, places like Prestwich and Sale in Greater Manchester, and Ilford and Finchley in London.

By: RodCrosby

RodCrosby — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 01:06:14 +0000

The centre of Crosby is known as “The Village” and is centred on the pedestrianised area at the southern end of Moor Lane. It’s not big, and it’s not as nice as it used to be either. A recent proposal from Sainsburys would have virtually obliterated the Village. A revised proposal to be revealed next month is expected to be scarcely less invasive.

Re the drug dealers: the kingpins of recent cases lived in Far Moss Road and Dowhills Road respectively, being two of the most expensive roads in the district, as well as in the northwest of England.

Re the boundary between Crosby and Bootle. It’s Seaforth, and the properties visibly deteriorate south of Cambridge Road, being the border between Waterloo and Seaforth.

By: Joe James B

Joe James B — Sun, 30 Oct 2011 00:02:31 +0000

Freshfields is in this seat, further north, and that is very nice.

By: Joe James B

Joe James B — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:30:33 +0000

I’ve done some more Google mapping of it, and it generally looks like pleasant Victorian housing.
The odd thing about Crosby is it doesn’t seem to have much of a centre – it’s largely residential?

Also strange is the way Crosby and Bootle seem to fade into each other less distinctively than I expected, when they are meant to be such different areas, although the electoral “rot” lacks that clear blue water red lines.

I can’t see these mansions populated by drug dealers – I “Googled” a few outlying dead ends and just had newish estates.

Can’t see the Tories having much chance on these proposed new boundaries although I guess an unchanged Sefton Central may have offered them hope one day although not likely any time soon.

By: Pete Whitehead

Pete Whitehead — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:43:50 +0000

I think the rot probably set in when Merseymike moved there

By: RodCrosby

RodCrosby — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:18:54 +0000

I don’t think anyone’s moved out, so much as died out…

Society generally, is, imho, much more rough and depressing than say even 30 years ago. So Crosby will be affected just as much as anywhere else.

But Crosby really was “a cut above the rest” at one time. so, to me at least, the fall appears sharper, and sadder…

Nightime is worst, when most of the bars are taken over by drunken, drugged chavs and chavettes from Bootle and beyond…

By: Joe James B

Joe James B — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 20:01:32 +0000

Thanks Rod – your descriptions are very useful.

Why would the population have changed much in character though?
(as it clearly is a good place to live).

Where would people have moved to, and why?
Where have people moved in from?

By: RodCrosby

RodCrosby — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:02:09 +0000

“Has this seat become a little faded in parts?”

Not really, from an environmental perspective. It’s still a great place to live, with some lovely houses and attractions. But the people have changed – for the worse…

It was extremely middle-class when it was a Tory seat. Not so now. We have hoodies roaming the streets, and there is regular mayhem every weekend in the bars of Crosby and Waterloo. Every year there is a major drugs bust, and you can be sure one of the “kingpins” lives in a big house in Blundellsands or Crosby…

By: doktorbuk

doktorbuk — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 02:22:38 +0000

Our counter-proposal for this part of the world sees Southport attached to the Lancashire Marsh towns (Hesketh Bank, Tarleton etc.), a new West Lancashire which attaches Ormskirk/Burscough to Formby, and a refashioned Bootle and Crosby.