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	<title>Comments on: Ochil and South Perthshire</title>
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		<title>By: Shaun Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 21:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I try not to give too much heed to Lewis Baston&#039;s ideas but they are fascinating aren&#039;t they and they are the only solid proposals we have to work with at the moment until September...when we can all forget quite happily about Lewis Baston&#039;s ideas! :-)

And yes you&#039;re right, we can say with some degree of certainty (surroundes by sea on three sides making it difficult to change too much) that a Caithness and Sutherland based seat will indeed still exist following the boundary changes. That case I will agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I try not to give too much heed to Lewis Baston&#8217;s ideas but they are fascinating aren&#8217;t they and they are the only solid proposals we have to work with at the moment until September&#8230;when we can all forget quite happily about Lewis Baston&#8217;s ideas! <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And yes you&#8217;re right, we can say with some degree of certainty (surroundes by sea on three sides making it difficult to change too much) that a Caithness and Sutherland based seat will indeed still exist following the boundary changes. That case I will agree.</p>
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		<title>By: A Cairns</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/ochilandsouthperthshire/comment-page-6/#comment-281971</link>
		<dc:creator>A Cairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Dalek I was anticipating the boundary changes - Aberdeenshire W&amp;K will be carved up.

I think Joseph is correct however - it is possible the LDs could end up with no mainland seats because so much of their vote was an anti con tactical vote (or possibly a personal vote).

In response to Shaun I would have thought it is certain that there would be an Inverness Skye and Lochaber seat and an expanded Caithness Sutherland and Ross seat with Nairn being detached from Inverness and going in with Moray  so Kennedy might stand in C, S&amp;R (if Thurso retires) and narrowly cling on due his profile whereas Danny Alexander would probably lose anyway in Inverness etc but might just cling on.

I wouldn&#039;t pay much attention to Baston&#039;s Firth of Tay idea though, sounds unlikely but how exactly they will redraw Mid Scotland is unclear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Dalek I was anticipating the boundary changes &#8211; Aberdeenshire W&amp;K will be carved up.</p>
<p>I think Joseph is correct however &#8211; it is possible the LDs could end up with no mainland seats because so much of their vote was an anti con tactical vote (or possibly a personal vote).</p>
<p>In response to Shaun I would have thought it is certain that there would be an Inverness Skye and Lochaber seat and an expanded Caithness Sutherland and Ross seat with Nairn being detached from Inverness and going in with Moray  so Kennedy might stand in C, S&amp;R (if Thurso retires) and narrowly cling on due his profile whereas Danny Alexander would probably lose anyway in Inverness etc but might just cling on.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t pay much attention to Baston&#8217;s Firth of Tay idea though, sounds unlikely but how exactly they will redraw Mid Scotland is unclear.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Bennett</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/ochilandsouthperthshire/comment-page-6/#comment-281966</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well hold on, don&#039;t forget that there are major boundary changes in scotland due. Lewis Baston&#039;s proposals has Charles Kennedy&#039;s seat broken up significantly, whilst Sir Menzies Campbell&#039;s seat stretches right around the Firth of Tay which I suspect would significantly boost the SNP there.

I&#039;m not saying thats what will happen. But its a bit early to be saying that the Lib Dems WILL hold x, y and z particularly seats that are to undergo radical changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well hold on, don&#8217;t forget that there are major boundary changes in scotland due. Lewis Baston&#8217;s proposals has Charles Kennedy&#8217;s seat broken up significantly, whilst Sir Menzies Campbell&#8217;s seat stretches right around the Firth of Tay which I suspect would significantly boost the SNP there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying thats what will happen. But its a bit early to be saying that the Lib Dems WILL hold x, y and z particularly seats that are to undergo radical changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Brayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Brayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the Lib Dems will hold O &amp; S, Fife NE, Skye &amp; Lochaber. SNP will gain Caithness and Argyll and Edinburgh West will be a close three way contest (Lab/SNP/LD). East Dunbartonshire is the most likely LD seat to fall to Lab.&quot;

I think if either or both Ming Campbell and Charles Kennedy retired then these seats (or their successors) would fall to the SNP. It&#039;s only their personal votes which enable them to hold on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the Lib Dems will hold O &amp; S, Fife NE, Skye &amp; Lochaber. SNP will gain Caithness and Argyll and Edinburgh West will be a close three way contest (Lab/SNP/LD). East Dunbartonshire is the most likely LD seat to fall to Lab.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think if either or both Ming Campbell and Charles Kennedy retired then these seats (or their successors) would fall to the SNP. It&#8217;s only their personal votes which enable them to hold on.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
2. a redrawn Dumfriesshire and Lanark
3. an Angus North and Mearns seat
4. Dumfries and Galloway (very unlikely)

What about Aberdeenshire West &amp; Kincardine?

It is much more marginal than Dumfries &amp; Galloway, and Lib Dem.   The SNP could come through the middle (as they won there in May) but the SNP are much weaker at Westminster.

I think its the third most likely Con Gain or the 49th least unwinnable seat (another way of looking at it).

I think the Lib Dems will hold O &amp; S, Fife NE, Skye &amp; Lochaber.   SNP will gain Caithness and Argyll and Edinburgh West will be a close three way contest (Lab/SNP/LD).   East Dunbartonshire is the most likely LD seat to fall to Lab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk<br />
2. a redrawn Dumfriesshire and Lanark<br />
3. an Angus North and Mearns seat<br />
4. Dumfries and Galloway (very unlikely)</p>
<p>What about Aberdeenshire West &amp; Kincardine?</p>
<p>It is much more marginal than Dumfries &amp; Galloway, and Lib Dem.   The SNP could come through the middle (as they won there in May) but the SNP are much weaker at Westminster.</p>
<p>I think its the third most likely Con Gain or the 49th least unwinnable seat (another way of looking at it).</p>
<p>I think the Lib Dems will hold O &amp; S, Fife NE, Skye &amp; Lochaber.   SNP will gain Caithness and Argyll and Edinburgh West will be a close three way contest (Lab/SNP/LD).   East Dunbartonshire is the most likely LD seat to fall to Lab.</p>
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		<title>By: Calum Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calum Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, as Richard has said it is always wise to put money on the Scottish Tories underachieving , as they do of course - all the time, and vastly when you consider that there are tens of thousands of small-c conservatives in Scotland.  I fear that if we continue in the same vein we will gain no ground whatsoever, losing our DCT seat but gaining the Borders one to compensate - thus leaving us no further.  In fact we may not even gain the Borders seat if LD popularity there recovers between now and the next election.    While I&#039;m at it, this very seat is a potential target too, but we are obviously far, far away from gaining it at present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as Richard has said it is always wise to put money on the Scottish Tories underachieving , as they do of course &#8211; all the time, and vastly when you consider that there are tens of thousands of small-c conservatives in Scotland.  I fear that if we continue in the same vein we will gain no ground whatsoever, losing our DCT seat but gaining the Borders one to compensate &#8211; thus leaving us no further.  In fact we may not even gain the Borders seat if LD popularity there recovers between now and the next election.    While I&#8217;m at it, this very seat is a potential target too, but we are obviously far, far away from gaining it at present.</p>
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		<title>By: A Cairns</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/ochilandsouthperthshire/comment-page-6/#comment-281935</link>
		<dc:creator>A Cairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in terms of gains for the tories I reckon in order of probability on possible likely boundaries:

1. Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
2. a redrawn Dumfriesshire and Lanark
3. an Angus North and Mearns seat
4. Dumfries and Galloway (very unlikely)

Then I think the tories are unlikely to get anywhere, it just won&#039;t happen. I can&#039;t see the tories defeating Pete Wishart in Perth &amp; NP. They would be most sensible just to throw the kitchen sink at the first three areas as these are the only possible places where they might gain a little bit at the GE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in terms of gains for the tories I reckon in order of probability on possible likely boundaries:</p>
<p>1. Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk<br />
2. a redrawn Dumfriesshire and Lanark<br />
3. an Angus North and Mearns seat<br />
4. Dumfries and Galloway (very unlikely)</p>
<p>Then I think the tories are unlikely to get anywhere, it just won&#8217;t happen. I can&#8217;t see the tories defeating Pete Wishart in Perth &amp; NP. They would be most sensible just to throw the kitchen sink at the first three areas as these are the only possible places where they might gain a little bit at the GE.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Borders seat might also be a decent prospect for the Conservatives, although Michael Moore may be rather more difficult to unseat than his former Lib Dem colleague at Holyrood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Borders seat might also be a decent prospect for the Conservatives, although Michael Moore may be rather more difficult to unseat than his former Lib Dem colleague at Holyrood.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also agree with that generally. As Joe says, it depends on the boundaries, but Labour should gain in the new East Dunbartonshire area, and perhaps whatever replaces Dumfriesshire (unless a sort of Galloway seat without Dumfries in it could be recreated in some way).

By contrast, the SNP probably won&#039;t win anything. The reason they have never won here since 2005 is because the Tories stillpoll so incredibly strongly in &#039;south perthshire&#039; in the Strathearn areas. If they go back into Perth next time, the SNP could actually be challenged strongly there by Tories. The remainder Clackmannanshire area would then be perfectly safe for Labour whoever it was paired with. The break up of Stirling will also help Labour if that comes about.

The only other Tory prospect then could be to try and relink Ayr to Troon and Prestwick. But Labour and the &#039;independent&#039; boundary commissioners will be on the look out to ensure that doesn&#039;t happen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with that generally. As Joe says, it depends on the boundaries, but Labour should gain in the new East Dunbartonshire area, and perhaps whatever replaces Dumfriesshire (unless a sort of Galloway seat without Dumfries in it could be recreated in some way).</p>
<p>By contrast, the SNP probably won&#8217;t win anything. The reason they have never won here since 2005 is because the Tories stillpoll so incredibly strongly in &#8216;south perthshire&#8217; in the Strathearn areas. If they go back into Perth next time, the SNP could actually be challenged strongly there by Tories. The remainder Clackmannanshire area would then be perfectly safe for Labour whoever it was paired with. The break up of Stirling will also help Labour if that comes about.</p>
<p>The only other Tory prospect then could be to try and relink Ayr to Troon and Prestwick. But Labour and the &#8216;independent&#8217; boundary commissioners will be on the look out to ensure that doesn&#8217;t happen!</p>
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		<title>By: A Cairns</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Cairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with that. Boundary changes could also help the SNP in Dundee W but it&#039;s hard to see the SNP gaining more seats than three or so from Labour in a general election (other than mopping up the ex LD vote in the north) because of the higher turnout etc even with a Lab&gt;SNP shift in some central belt seats making them marginal for the GE after.

Of course I could be wrong like the Holyrood election  and there could be a wholescale SNP surge but it&#039;s not most likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with that. Boundary changes could also help the SNP in Dundee W but it&#8217;s hard to see the SNP gaining more seats than three or so from Labour in a general election (other than mopping up the ex LD vote in the north) because of the higher turnout etc even with a Lab&gt;SNP shift in some central belt seats making them marginal for the GE after.</p>
<p>Of course I could be wrong like the Holyrood election  and there could be a wholescale SNP surge but it&#8217;s not most likely.</p>
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