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		<title>By: Andy Stidwill</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/granthamandstamford/comment-page-3#comment-223190</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Stidwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Labour vote in St Helens South in 2001 fell from 30,367 to 16,799, or in percentages from 68.6% to 49.7%. That was at a time when the Labour party were winning an overall majority of 167 of course. The collapse would probably  be far worse than that now if Davies is parachuted in somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Labour vote in St Helens South in 2001 fell from 30,367 to 16,799, or in percentages from 68.6% to 49.7%. That was at a time when the Labour party were winning an overall majority of 167 of course. The collapse would probably  be far worse than that now if Davies is parachuted in somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederic Stansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederic Stansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Labour Party HQ try to foist Quentin Davies onto a safe seat, with his image and Tory background they are going to encounter considerable local hostility. It would have to be somewhere VERY safe. Electoral Calculus is currently predicting that Labour are 28% ahead in Middlesborough, so that would just about do. Davies might well reduce the seat to a marginal, though.

After Alan Howarth and Shaun Woodward, one wonders whether working class voters will ever learn not to vote for turncoat Tories. As an ex-Labour Party member I despair. Is there nobody left who even remembers 1931 as history?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Labour Party HQ try to foist Quentin Davies onto a safe seat, with his image and Tory background they are going to encounter considerable local hostility. It would have to be somewhere VERY safe. Electoral Calculus is currently predicting that Labour are 28% ahead in Middlesborough, so that would just about do. Davies might well reduce the seat to a marginal, though.</p>
<p>After Alan Howarth and Shaun Woodward, one wonders whether working class voters will ever learn not to vote for turncoat Tories. As an ex-Labour Party member I despair. Is there nobody left who even remembers 1931 as history?</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian. Intersting rumour re: Sir Stuart, though I&#039;d be a little surprised if he did reitre. I thought he always seemed quite content with being an MP. Of course, he is getting on a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian. Intersting rumour re: Sir Stuart, though I&#8217;d be a little surprised if he did reitre. I thought he always seemed quite content with being an MP. Of course, he is getting on a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;we seem to spend much of our time consumed with trivia-whether such and such a constituencies boundary was 5 metres further to the left in 1885.

Personally, I welcome some colour and controversy-to a point.&quot;

I have similar views to Shaun in this discussion. I&#039;m not personally very interested in boundaries back in the nineteenth century (sorry Pete). Of course, that&#039;s not say I don&#039;t recognise that some people are interested in those things.

I&#039;m just concerned with the boundary changes for the next election. 

As for Quentin Davies... I have no problem with defectors per se, but his defection is an example of the worst type. 

There are no apparent, genuine, firmly held values which have lead him to believe that he can no longer serve in a particular party... He appears simply to have thought himself worthy of more than &#039;humble&#039; backbench MP status. Seeing as he wasn&#039;t getting anywhere in his own party he had a very public hissy fit, declared himself enamoured with Brown, derided the party he had been an MP for for 20 years, and turned his back on those in the local association.

Can you really blame Shaun for calling him a &#039;pillock&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we seem to spend much of our time consumed with trivia-whether such and such a constituencies boundary was 5 metres further to the left in 1885.</p>
<p>Personally, I welcome some colour and controversy-to a point.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have similar views to Shaun in this discussion. I&#8217;m not personally very interested in boundaries back in the nineteenth century (sorry Pete). Of course, that&#8217;s not say I don&#8217;t recognise that some people are interested in those things.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just concerned with the boundary changes for the next election. </p>
<p>As for Quentin Davies&#8230; I have no problem with defectors per se, but his defection is an example of the worst type. </p>
<p>There are no apparent, genuine, firmly held values which have lead him to believe that he can no longer serve in a particular party&#8230; He appears simply to have thought himself worthy of more than &#8216;humble&#8217; backbench MP status. Seeing as he wasn&#8217;t getting anywhere in his own party he had a very public hissy fit, declared himself enamoured with Brown, derided the party he had been an MP for for 20 years, and turned his back on those in the local association.</p>
<p>Can you really blame Shaun for calling him a &#8216;pillock&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was listening to him on BBC Breakfast this morning. It suddenly dawned on me that this politically right of centre, middle-class, well-spoken man is in the same belongs to the same political party as Dennis Skinner and John Prescott. : - ) 

I still remember when I heard he had dfected to Labour because I nearly fell off my chair because I&#039;ve always thought of Davies as a staunch Tory. Never in a million years could I ahve imagined he&#039;d join Labour. 

Someone on here was suggesting that Sir Stuart Bell might be standing down soon and the party would then parachute Davies into his vacant seat of Middlesborough. Not sure how true this is though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was listening to him on BBC Breakfast this morning. It suddenly dawned on me that this politically right of centre, middle-class, well-spoken man is in the same belongs to the same political party as Dennis Skinner and John Prescott. : &#8211; ) </p>
<p>I still remember when I heard he had dfected to Labour because I nearly fell off my chair because I&#8217;ve always thought of Davies as a staunch Tory. Never in a million years could I ahve imagined he&#8217;d join Labour. </p>
<p>Someone on here was suggesting that Sir Stuart Bell might be standing down soon and the party would then parachute Davies into his vacant seat of Middlesborough. Not sure how true this is though.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnaby JL Marder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barnaby JL Marder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed that Pete.

I reiterate that whether Cameron does or doesn&#039;t block Quentin Davies from getting a peerage isn&#039;t really what this site is supposed to be about. I certainly don&#039;t want the whole site to be taken up with posts saying how wonderful Labour are! That is a ludicrous caricature of what I think. There are all sorts of views represented here, and that&#039;s the way it should be. Whether or not we regard a particular candidate as loathsome, fantastic, or a pillock only matters insofar as it has a bearing on the election.  I find that there are a number of contributors here supporting parties other than my own, such as Pete, Joe James B, Andy Stidwell, Tim13 and plenty of others whose  contributions are enlightening and of genuine interest. Even some of yours are from time to time, when you avoid personal attacks which are pointless and don&#039;t help to add to our understanding of elections either nationwide or in a particular constituency. I happen to share much of your analysis Pete about Shaun Woodward, Quentin Davies and Alan Howarth, though it is clear that Woodward did start to have severe doubts about some aspects of Tory doctrine. Nevertheless what you say has much merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed that Pete.</p>
<p>I reiterate that whether Cameron does or doesn&#8217;t block Quentin Davies from getting a peerage isn&#8217;t really what this site is supposed to be about. I certainly don&#8217;t want the whole site to be taken up with posts saying how wonderful Labour are! That is a ludicrous caricature of what I think. There are all sorts of views represented here, and that&#8217;s the way it should be. Whether or not we regard a particular candidate as loathsome, fantastic, or a pillock only matters insofar as it has a bearing on the election.  I find that there are a number of contributors here supporting parties other than my own, such as Pete, Joe James B, Andy Stidwell, Tim13 and plenty of others whose  contributions are enlightening and of genuine interest. Even some of yours are from time to time, when you avoid personal attacks which are pointless and don&#8217;t help to add to our understanding of elections either nationwide or in a particular constituency. I happen to share much of your analysis Pete about Shaun Woodward, Quentin Davies and Alan Howarth, though it is clear that Woodward did start to have severe doubts about some aspects of Tory doctrine. Nevertheless what you say has much merit.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun its worth remembering that both the named towns of this constituency were two member borough divisions until 1868 when Stamford was reduced to a single member. There was also a county division of Lincolnshire South covering the hinterland (as well as other areas in Holland) which also returned two members.  
After 1885 Stamford lost its borough constituency and instead gave it&#039;s name to a county division of Lincolnshire which covers all of this constituency outside of Grantham. Grantham remained a borough constituency returning a single member until 1918. Grantham retruned a LIberal more often than not between 1885 and 1910 while Stamford remained Unionist thoughout the period - even in 1906.  
In 1918 the same fate befell Grantham borough as it was merged with the old Sleaford county division to form a new Grantham county division.
I defy you to tell me it is trivial that this area returned 6 members of Parliament only 150 years ago</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun its worth remembering that both the named towns of this constituency were two member borough divisions until 1868 when Stamford was reduced to a single member. There was also a county division of Lincolnshire South covering the hinterland (as well as other areas in Holland) which also returned two members.<br />
After 1885 Stamford lost its borough constituency and instead gave it&#8217;s name to a county division of Lincolnshire which covers all of this constituency outside of Grantham. Grantham remained a borough constituency returning a single member until 1918. Grantham retruned a LIberal more often than not between 1885 and 1910 while Stamford remained Unionist thoughout the period &#8211; even in 1906.<br />
In 1918 the same fate befell Grantham borough as it was merged with the old Sleaford county division to form a new Grantham county division.<br />
I defy you to tell me it is trivial that this area returned 6 members of Parliament only 150 years ago</p>
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		<title>By: SE London Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>SE London Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about parachuting him in as a last-minute replacement for Hazel in Salford and Eccles?

But seriously, I think he is exactly the sort of mid-term defector who the Labour Party will have been glsd to have at the time but they will be eqiuallypleased to see the back of him after the next election. Don&#039;t know whether huge efforts will be made to find him an ultra-safe seat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about parachuting him in as a last-minute replacement for Hazel in Salford and Eccles?</p>
<p>But seriously, I think he is exactly the sort of mid-term defector who the Labour Party will have been glsd to have at the time but they will be eqiuallypleased to see the back of him after the next election. Don&#8217;t know whether huge efforts will be made to find him an ultra-safe seat</p>
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		<title>By: Joe James B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe James B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did hear he might have got Wolverhampton NE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did hear he might have got Wolverhampton NE.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Of course he’s a “pillock” because he defected from the Tories. Sour grapes leave a nasty taste don’t they&quot;

I dont know. I would not say Shaun Woodward was a pillock. He was certainly a cynical opportunist and strikes me as a pretty unpleasant man all round. Alan Howarth on the other hand, though I would stop short of describing his actions as honourable, appeared to have undergone a genuine political conversion over time. He was not a pillock.

Quentin Davies does though cut a singularly ridiculous figure with both the manner and timing of his defection.  Watching him deliver a speech to the Labour party conference about the minimum wage, it was apparent from the smirks on the faces of many of the delegates listening that they thought likewise</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course he’s a “pillock” because he defected from the Tories. Sour grapes leave a nasty taste don’t they&#8221;</p>
<p>I dont know. I would not say Shaun Woodward was a pillock. He was certainly a cynical opportunist and strikes me as a pretty unpleasant man all round. Alan Howarth on the other hand, though I would stop short of describing his actions as honourable, appeared to have undergone a genuine political conversion over time. He was not a pillock.</p>
<p>Quentin Davies does though cut a singularly ridiculous figure with both the manner and timing of his defection.  Watching him deliver a speech to the Labour party conference about the minimum wage, it was apparent from the smirks on the faces of many of the delegates listening that they thought likewise</p>
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