Dulwich and West Norwood
2010 Results:
Conservative: 10684 (22.16%)
Labour: 22461 (46.59%)
Liberal Democrat: 13096 (27.16%)
UKIP: 707 (1.47%)
Green: 1266 (2.63%)
Majority: 9365 (19.43%)
Notional 2005 Results:
Labour: 18303 (45.8%)
Liberal Democrat: 9625 (24.1%)
Conservative: 8842 (22.1%)
Other: 3207 (8%)
Majority: 8678 (21.7%)
Actual 2005 result
Conservative: 9200 (21.9%)
Labour: 19059 (45.4%)
Liberal Democrat: 10252 (24.4%)
Green: 2741 (6.5%)
UKIP: 290 (0.7%)
Other: 447 (1.1%)
Majority: 8807 (21%)
2001 Result
Conservative: 8689 (22.7%)
Labour: 20999 (54.9%)
Liberal Democrat: 5806 (15.2%)
Green: 1914 (5%)
Other: 839 (2.2%)
Majority: 12310 (32.2%)
1997 Result
Conservative: 11038 (24.2%)
Labour: 27807 (61%)
Liberal Democrat: 4916 (10.8%)
Referendum: 897 (2%)
Other: 957 (2.1%)
Majority: 16769 (36.8%)
Boundary changes: Significant. The seat loses territory to the undersized Camberwell and Peckham seat, giving up parts of Peckham Rye, South Camberwell ward and parts of The Lanes. This is made up for by the gains of parts of Thurlow Park, Herne Hill and Coldharbour from Streatham and Vauxhall.
Profile: A diverse inner-city seat, containing both very affluent, very wealthy areas and deprived, racially mixed areas of social housing. Dulwich itself is wealthy and exclusive – Dulwich Village has million pound properties and well preserved 18th and 19th century buildings near Dulwich Park. There are two noted private schools here and following her resignation as Prime Minister Mrs Thatcher famously lived in a gated community here for a time. There are also wealthy areas in the West Norwood part of the seat, such as Thurlow Park. However, affluent areas are just as much the trendy intelligentsia as suburban conservatives, and the non-Labour vote here is split between the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats. There is also significant support for the Green party, who managed to take 6.5% of the vote under 2005 under London assembly member and former Deputy Mayor Jenny Jones.
Further north the seat becomes more solidly Labour and largely afro-carribean. The parts of Brixton that fall within the seat, including the centre of the community, are dominated by council estates like Angell Town and Loughborough Estate, with their attendent problems of crime, drugs, unemployment and teenage pregnancy. The boundary changes shift some of the most Labour areas of the old Dulwich and West Norwood into Camberwell and Peckham, but they are replaced by just as Labour areas within the Coldharbour Lane ward.
Current MP: Tessa Jowell(Labour) born 1947, London. Educated at St Margaret`s School, Aberdeen, and Aberdeen University. Former psychiatric social worker and assistant director of Mind. Contested Ilford North by-election 1978. First elected as MP for Dulwich in 1992. Oppostion whip and then shadoe health minister 1996-1997. Junior minister in the department of health 1997-1999 and in the department of education 1999-2001. Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport 2001-2007. Minister for the Olympics and Paymaster General since 2007, also Cabinet Office Minister since 2009. In 2006 she separated from her husband David Mills after it was revealed that their £340,000 mortgage had been paid off with money allegedly received from then Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi (more information at They work for you)
Kemi Adegoke (Conservative) born 1980, Wimbledon. Educated at Sussex University and Birkbeck College. Systems analyst for the RBS Group.Tessa Jowell(Labour) born 1947, London. Educated at St Margaret`s School, Aberdeen, and Aberdeen University. Former psychiatric social worker and assistant director of Mind. Contested Ilford North by-election 1978. First elected as MP for Dulwich in 1992. Oppostion whip and then shadoe health minister 1996-1997. Junior minister in the department of health 1997-1999 and in the department of education 1999-2001. Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport 2001-2007. Minister for the Olympics and Paymaster General since 2007, also Cabinet Office Minister since 2009. In 2006 she separated from her husband David Mills after it was revealed that their £340,000 mortgage had been paid off with money allegedly received from then Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi (more information at They work for you)
Jonathan Mitchell (Liberal Democrat) Educated at Trinity College, Dublin. Barrister, specialising in criminal law. Southwark councillor. Contested Dulwich and West Norwood 2005.
Shane Collins (Green) Contested Streatham 2005, Lambeth and Southwark 2008 London elections.
Elizabeth Jones (UKIP)2001 Census Demographics
Total 2001 Population: 96045
Male: 48.2%
Female: 51.8%
Under 18: 22.7%
Over 60: 13.9%
Born outside UK: 26.3%
White: 66.7%
Black: 22.9%
Asian: 3.8%
Mixed: 4.7%
Other: 1.9%
Christian: 58.7%
Hindu: 1.3%
Jewish: 0.6%
Muslim: 4.1%
Full time students: 6.5%
Graduates 16-74: 41.1%
No Qualifications 16-74: 20.1%
Owner-Occupied: 45.3%
Social Housing: 36.6% (Council: 23.9%, Housing Ass.: 12.7%)
Privately Rented: 15.7%
Homes without central heating and/or private bathroom: 9.3%
”You seem to be on a mission to personally insuly every single Scouser you possibly can with yoir increadsingly bizarre and unpleasant posts – just who the **** do you think you are?”
Sorry JJB, but Tim Jones is right.
” stated LFC fans hindered, fough, stole, urinated and sexually assaulted ”
I don’t think there was any allegations of sexual assault and those of attacking police, robbing the dead and urinating on them do have to be understood in the context of the times.
Football hooligans did regularly fight with the police (who were usually more than eager to respond), some ‘professional’ football hooligan firms did have ‘dress codes’ with said items required to be stolen and some football fans did urinate on others.
Aside from the numerous ‘hot leg’ and ‘pissed in his pocket’ stories there was the case of IIRC West Ham fans who during a European match took advantage on being in an upper tier to urinate on opposition fans beneath them with the result they had to play their next game behind closed doors.
It was easy to believe the worst of football fans in those days because the way a minority of them behaved and the way many others were amused by it. For 20 years before Hillsborough and on various occasions since there wasn’t a season without the news headlines involving smashed up foreign football grounds, smashed up foreign city squares and smashed up ferries.
With the media often officially condemning it but secretly gloryfying it – I rememer a TV documentary about Millwall hooligans featuring such characters as ‘Harry the Wolf’ and ‘Pete the Dog’ and their ‘firms’ ‘F Troop and ‘Treatment’.
” stated LFC fans hindered, fough, stole, urinated and sexually assaulted ”
Who said that? Where is Anthony Wells?
I would rather deal with people face to face. What I actually have said about all this is stated here. Attributing things I did not say is assuming too much. As stated elsewhere, am not a football fan
”I would rather deal with people face to face. What I actually have said about all this is stated here. ”
So you would deal with me face to face then would you?
Its from the comment form Lancs Observer but he meant no offence he was stating what The Sun had alleged and condemning it.
As to my previous comment here’s a worthwhile BBC article as to how the media have often glamourised football hooligans.
Watch the video clip included – at 2.30 there’s a near Hillsborough crush disaster caused by Millwall fans attacking Spurs fans at Charlton.
”Its from the comment form Lancs Observer but he meant no offence he was stating what The Sun had alleged and condemning it.”
I am aware of that Richard, it’s just that Anthony Wells is nowhere to be found and I think this is getting a bit out of hand now.
Oops forgot the link, here it is:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/panorama/2009/10/hooliganism_footballs_ugly_tra.html
Watch the video link.
Richard a very belated repky to your request that I take this test. I have done so on several occasions previously and agree with thoe who say this is a very blunt instrument, the results of which tells us little. My results at other times have been different but the latest:
Economic Left/Right: 7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.03
This puts me evert so slightly to the right of Ed Miliband on economics and makes me rather more social libertairian than him. The latter in particular is particularly usless in this test. I come out fairly in the middle because for example I strongly favoured legalising drugs but took what the test would deem an ‘authoritarian’ approach to eg. rehabilitation of prisoners or on homosexuals couples adopting children. It didn’t ask my view on things such as the whether the state should dictate whether private businesses should be free to allow people (or to not allow people) to smoke on their presmises, on licensing laws, on sunday trading on leagalisation of prostitution or any number of other questions where I might fall on the libertarian side. The economic questions are equally flawed, as others have said, more from the lack of nuance or the ability to select a ‘none of the above’. These kind of tests tend to be slightly more useful when they test ones views against specific manifesto commitments of various political parties for example one I took a few days ago in relation to the Dutch election which suggested I was most closely aligned with the VVD (I would have tended to support the PVV). Indeed my wife even cast her vote in the Finnish general election last year on the basis of just such a test (unfortunately a wasted vote for the Freedom Party who won a mere 0.1% of the vote and thus no seats and against my advice to vote for the True Finns)
JJB – it will take time for the whole of the UK to realise that the narrative of the past 23.5 years was wrong. The only point you were right about was that most Merseyside MPs aren’t local. I think only 4 are. As others have noted many Liverpudlians from 1989 now live in Wirral, or London or Spain. Although LFC fans come from all over. Plus, remember, in the ’80s, Lpool actually had 2 Tory MPs, the MEP and a dozen City Cllrs. Trevor Hicks, Chairman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, actually said on Tuesday at the press conference, that he was a big fan of Maggie. A splinter Justice group does blame Thatcher et al from 1989 however.
I think the test is trying to get at general attitudes when they really need to be answered specifically and technically. For example there was a question along the lines of should the law be enforced for industrial accidents and I agreed that it should but should not be a left right disagrEement. I also didn’t get a chance to be asked as many economic questions as I think needed
I would suggest Joe and others that you don’t try to engage in any form of reasoned debate over this with RESULTS or any of those others on here consumed by the mob mentality on this question.
RESULTS in particular is looking to cause trouble and is clearly trying to twist everything you could say on the matter against you.
I backed out of this conversation a while ago now. I would strongly suggest that others did the same.
Agreed. I won’t be. On the seat, agree C should manage 2nd but Labour way ahead
For your information Shaun I am not ”consumed by mob mentality” as I have actually made it my intention to make psephological comments and not partisan ones. It is only because of your frankly insulting comments that has led you to believe that.
”RESULTS in particular is looking to cause trouble and is clearly trying to twist everything you could say on the matter against you.”
I disagree. I am not using recent events to politically attack anyone else, I am merely outraged by the disgraceful attitudes of Shaun Bennett and JJB regarding this matter.
I would just like to say, that for the record, this episode is over now and it is time to move on. Let’s get back to strictly polling matters.
Last week Dame Tessa leaves the shadow cabinet.
This week Dame Tessa and Sir David are ‘reconciled’.
And some politicians wonder why they aren’t trusted.
I’m surprised it took them that long actually, as most of us had probably forgotten her little financial irregularities.
Is this the first example of a ‘seperation of convenience’? We all know they were never really.
He isn’t a “sir”. The husbands of dames have no title unless they have been given one separately. It’s not the same as being the wife of a knight or baronet.
Census results, white British, 2001 / 2011:
Coldharbour: 33.1% / 23.9%
Gipsy Hill: 54.5% / 41.6%
Herne Hill: 52.9% / 44.6%
Knight’s Hill: 51.0% / 36.2%
Thurlow Park: 63.6% / 49.1%
College: 63.7% / 51.5%
East Dulwich: 63.3% / 58.9%
Village: 75.2% / 67.5%
Dulwich & West Norwood: 55.9% / 45.4%
White overall, Dulwich & West Norwood:
2001: 66.7%
2011: 59.4%
There were numerical increases in the White British population in Herne Hill, East Dulwich and Village:
Herne Hill: 6,243 to 6,736
East Dulwich: 6,860 to 7,257
Village: 7,888 to 8,368
Not as much change here as I expected. The figures in Herne Hill and East Dulwich in particular reflect the gentrification in those areas over the past decade.
Very true. A similar demographic to Brockley etc, as we discussed on Lewisham Deptford.
Village is clearly a mini-Hampstead which is too posh to have changed all that much.
The West Norwood wards (Thurlow Park, Gipsy Hill and Knights Hill) are in general going downhill and slipping out of the Tories’ range….these figures support that.
Indeed. This seat is basically the south London equivalent to Hornsey and Wood Green minus the Lib Dem traction. Lewisham West and Penge is also comparable particularly in terms of geography except its Palace burnt down decades ago. Mind you, Ally Pally has been on fire at least twice!