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		<title>By: Joe James B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe James B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 01:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a faith healer who turned out to be fake.
He just asked people to lie down on some rickety old wall papering table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a faith healer who turned out to be fake.<br />
He just asked people to lie down on some rickety old wall papering table.</p>
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		<title>By: Lancs Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lancs Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 00:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086321/Psychic-healer-stars-claimed-contacted-Princess-Diana-jailed-sexually-assaulting-client.html?ITO=1490

Mr Dare was a Cllr and 2010 Lewisam Mayoral candidate

From memory he was/went: Tory &gt; LibDem &gt; Veritas &gt; BNP &gt; English Democrats &gt; Independent!</description>
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<p>Mr Dare was a Cllr and 2010 Lewisam Mayoral candidate</p>
<p>From memory he was/went: Tory &gt; LibDem &gt; Veritas &gt; BNP &gt; English Democrats &gt; Independent!</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hood</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/croydoncentral/comment-page-13/#comment-286460</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelling took 3,239 of them.

I should say that he did recommend a vote for Labour in the local elections held on the same day, but my guess is that as the ex-Tory MP he would have taken more votes from the Conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelling took 3,239 of them.</p>
<p>I should say that he did recommend a vote for Labour in the local elections held on the same day, but my guess is that as the ex-Tory MP he would have taken more votes from the Conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: far easterner</title>
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		<dc:creator>far easterner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 12:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How was the independent vote of 3377 here split between Andrew Pelling and Michael Castle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How was the independent vote of 3377 here split between Andrew Pelling and Michael Castle?</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Hood</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/croydoncentral/comment-page-13/#comment-286434</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Hood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ AndyJS

You&#039;re right: Selsdon is much further away from the demographically changing north of the borough than is Fairfield. 

Fairfield has changed a lot since the Falklands-influenced local election of 1982, when I canvassed the ward extensively on behalf of the SDP. Although we were crushed at the count by the Tories (they took 65%) we, the Alliance, did manage to come second (on 21%) ahead of Labour (on 13%).

So in that council election Tory votes out-numbered Labour votes by 5:1. Incredible, then, that Labour carried the ward in the 1997 general election, and again in 2001, and were even slightly ahead in 2005 (according to Labour&#039;s extensive at-the-count sampling).

Broadly speaking, then, Fairfield pretty well reflects the relative party strengths in Croydon Central as a whole. Selsdon, on the other hand, is a whole new ball game: it will be the strongest Tory ward in the new Croydon East constituency (even surpassing Shirley Ward, I would say) and it replacing Fairfield will put the new constituency out of Labour&#039;s reach unless something goes badly wrong for Cameron.

Bear in mind that most of the Pelling vote will go to the Tories (he has now joined the Labour Party) and Gavin Barlow will hope to build up something in the way of a personal vote as new MPs normally do. 

Against that, it should be said that the north of the constituency is changing in Labour&#039;s favour: Woodside has a rising black vote which resulted in the Tories narrowly missing out on a seat there in the 2006 locals (whereas in Woodside and in the now defunt neighbouring ward of Rylands the Tories were very competitive in the 1980s).

However, demographic change is happening too slowly. My reckoning: the contest for the new Croydon East seat is Gavin Barlow&#039;s to lose.

NB: I was at the count in 2005 - and as a Labour teller it was absolute hell as we went through nine hours of counting and re-counting before losing by 75: our agent was in tears. Incidentally, he had informed the sitting Labour MP Geraint Davies that he would hold on by about 1,000 based upon our sampling. Geraint replied &quot;But have you taken into account turnout, because the Fieldway estate only had a 40% poll?&quot;. The answer was he hadn&#039;t - he had instead assumed equal turnout across all polling districts. This really is a constituency where differential turnout punishes Labour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ AndyJS</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right: Selsdon is much further away from the demographically changing north of the borough than is Fairfield. </p>
<p>Fairfield has changed a lot since the Falklands-influenced local election of 1982, when I canvassed the ward extensively on behalf of the SDP. Although we were crushed at the count by the Tories (they took 65%) we, the Alliance, did manage to come second (on 21%) ahead of Labour (on 13%).</p>
<p>So in that council election Tory votes out-numbered Labour votes by 5:1. Incredible, then, that Labour carried the ward in the 1997 general election, and again in 2001, and were even slightly ahead in 2005 (according to Labour&#8217;s extensive at-the-count sampling).</p>
<p>Broadly speaking, then, Fairfield pretty well reflects the relative party strengths in Croydon Central as a whole. Selsdon, on the other hand, is a whole new ball game: it will be the strongest Tory ward in the new Croydon East constituency (even surpassing Shirley Ward, I would say) and it replacing Fairfield will put the new constituency out of Labour&#8217;s reach unless something goes badly wrong for Cameron.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that most of the Pelling vote will go to the Tories (he has now joined the Labour Party) and Gavin Barlow will hope to build up something in the way of a personal vote as new MPs normally do. </p>
<p>Against that, it should be said that the north of the constituency is changing in Labour&#8217;s favour: Woodside has a rising black vote which resulted in the Tories narrowly missing out on a seat there in the 2006 locals (whereas in Woodside and in the now defunt neighbouring ward of Rylands the Tories were very competitive in the 1980s).</p>
<p>However, demographic change is happening too slowly. My reckoning: the contest for the new Croydon East seat is Gavin Barlow&#8217;s to lose.</p>
<p>NB: I was at the count in 2005 &#8211; and as a Labour teller it was absolute hell as we went through nine hours of counting and re-counting before losing by 75: our agent was in tears. Incidentally, he had informed the sitting Labour MP Geraint Davies that he would hold on by about 1,000 based upon our sampling. Geraint replied &#8220;But have you taken into account turnout, because the Fieldway estate only had a 40% poll?&#8221;. The answer was he hadn&#8217;t &#8211; he had instead assumed equal turnout across all polling districts. This really is a constituency where differential turnout punishes Labour.</p>
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		<title>By: LBernard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks HH - Coombe did look like a decent part of Croydon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks HH &#8211; Coombe did look like a decent part of Croydon.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy JS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy JS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the proposed Croydon East wouldn&#039;t be that much safer than Croydon Central is at the moment, the positive thing for the Tories is that the Selsdon &amp; Ballards ward is likely to experience less demographic change than the Fairfield ward which contains the centre of Croydon. Also turnout is liable to be relatively high in Selsdon &amp; Ballards compared to the rest of the constituency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the proposed Croydon East wouldn&#8217;t be that much safer than Croydon Central is at the moment, the positive thing for the Tories is that the Selsdon &amp; Ballards ward is likely to experience less demographic change than the Fairfield ward which contains the centre of Croydon. Also turnout is liable to be relatively high in Selsdon &amp; Ballards compared to the rest of the constituency.</p>
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		<title>By: A Cairns</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/croydoncentral/comment-page-13/#comment-283472</link>
		<dc:creator>A Cairns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LDs will no doubt want Carshalton back in with Wallington and St Helier and a few wards jiggled around so it will be interesting to see what happens in the final review so they get notionally back ahead but it&#039;s presumably a lost cause anyway.

Barwell seems secure in Croyson East as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LDs will no doubt want Carshalton back in with Wallington and St Helier and a few wards jiggled around so it will be interesting to see what happens in the final review so they get notionally back ahead but it&#8217;s presumably a lost cause anyway.</p>
<p>Barwell seems secure in Croyson East as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Several wards from Carshalton &amp; Wallington, plus one ward from Croydon North, one from Croydon Central and two from Croydon South.&#039;

Thanks Hemelig - I did wonder what had become of the old Carshalton &amp; Wallington seat - and where its liberal vote would be dispersed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Several wards from Carshalton &amp; Wallington, plus one ward from Croydon North, one from Croydon Central and two from Croydon South.&#8217;</p>
<p>Thanks Hemelig &#8211; I did wonder what had become of the old Carshalton &amp; Wallington seat &#8211; and where its liberal vote would be dispersed</p>
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		<title>By: H.Hemmelig</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.Hemmelig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is quite a lot of overlap between Croydon town centre and the wards on the Sutton side of the boundary.  Croydon Ikea is, or almost is, in Sutton, for example.  Nevertheless it is an odd seat.

Coombe, depending on exactly where you went to, is split between this seat and Croydon East.  Being in Croham / Sesdon and Ballards wards it is, as you say, in one of the Tory areas of Croydon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is quite a lot of overlap between Croydon town centre and the wards on the Sutton side of the boundary.  Croydon Ikea is, or almost is, in Sutton, for example.  Nevertheless it is an odd seat.</p>
<p>Coombe, depending on exactly where you went to, is split between this seat and Croydon East.  Being in Croham / Sesdon and Ballards wards it is, as you say, in one of the Tory areas of Croydon.</p>
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