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Clwyd South

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Notional 2005 Results:
Labour: 14174 (45.2%)
Conservative: 7988 (25.5%)
Liberal Democrat: 4886 (15.6%)
Plaid Cymru: 2959 (9.4%)
Other: 1376 (4.4%)
Majority: 6185 (19.7%)

Actual 2005 result
Conservative: 8460 (25.7%)
Labour: 14808 (45%)
Liberal Democrat: 5105 (15.5%)
Plaid Cymru: 3111 (9.4%)
UKIP: 644 (2%)
Other: 803 (2.4%)
Majority: 6348 (19.3%)

2001 Result
Conservative: 8319 (24.8%)
Labour: 17217 (51.4%)
Liberal Democrat: 3426 (10.2%)
Plaid Cymru: 3982 (11.9%)
UKIP: 552 (1.6%)
Majority: 8898 (26.6%)

1997 Result
Conservative: 9091 (23.1%)
Labour: 22901 (58.1%)
Liberal Democrat: 3684 (9.4%)
Plaid Cymru: 2500 (6.3%)
Referendum: 1207 (3.1%)
Majority: 13810 (35.1%)

Boundary changes

Current MP: Martyn Jones (Labour) (more information at They work for you)

Candidates:
John Bell (Conservative) born 1947, Liverpool. Educated at Keele University as a mature student. Teacher and lecturer. Contested Delyn 2005, Clwyd South in 2007 Welsh elections.

2001 Census Demographics

Total 2001 Population: 69269
Male: 48.9%
Female: 51.1%
Under 18: 22.5%
Over 60: 21.3%
Born outside UK: 2.2%
White: 99.1%
Asian: 0.3%
Mixed: 0.3%
Other: 0.3%
Christian: 77.1%
Full time students: 2.9%
Graduates 16-74: 15.4%
No Qualifications 16-74: 33.7%
Owner-Occupied: 64%
Social Housing: 25.9% (Council: 22.9%, Housing Ass.: 3.1%)
Privately Rented: 7.1%
Homes without central heating and/or private bathroom: 13.4%

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56 Responses

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Matt (not registered)

Yes, I see no reason to cross the border, though as Pete said places like Saltney and to an extent Queensferry are basically suburbs (and pretty awful ones too) of Chester. Though if you are a Labour supporter it might be an attractive proposiation and would certainly help keep the City of Chester Labour.

There are other areas like that county border-wise. It’s always puzzled people why Llandudno, Conwy and Colwyn Bay have never been in the same seat considering they run into eachother and a lot of the populations work/live in the three towns. More so because, as it was in the same county, Llandudno was twinned with Bangor (Conwy) and Colwyn Bay with Rhyl (Clwyd NW). Both of which were a distance and had far less in common with either Llandudno or Colwyn Bay.

Though I understand why they don’t cross them I think it’s a shame when a natural pairing is so glaringly obvious. I guess in the 80’s that seat would have been a Tory stronghold, probably the safest in Wales by some way easily over 10,000, probably more.

Tim Jones (not registered)

‘It’s always puzzled people why Llandudno, Conwy and Colwyn Bay have never been in the same seat considering they run into eachother and a lot of the populations work/live in the three towns. More so because, as it was in the same county, Llandudno was twinned with Bangor (Conwy) and Colwyn Bay with Rhyl (Clwyd NW). Both of which were a distance and had far less in common with either Llandudno or Colwyn Bay.’

Whilst I don’t thionk a case can be made to pair English and Welsh constituencies, the comment above is eminently sensible

I’ve always thought there should be a seat containing Llandudno, Conway, Colwyn Bay and the towns and villages in between

It would be about the right size and Colwyn Bay and Llandudno (the two dominant towns) have much more in common with each other than Colwyn Bay and Rhyl than Llandudno and Bangor, although after the next election all four towns will be in four separate constituencies

Dewi
Islwyn

A number of North Wales seats are patchworks - demographically and linguistically. Clwyd South, Clwyd West, Conwy three such with similar characteristics:

1) A relatively large Welsh Speaking minority.
2) A “big” coastal resort.
3) A large immigrant population.

All interesting seats.

Matt (not registered)

By immigrant, I take it you mean persons born in England?

doktorb (not registered)

This is very rough calculations, and to stop it from going over 80K electorate I’ve not included Conwy ward, but taking wards from the north Wales coast From Llandudno east towards and including the whole of Rhyl, I have a seat with 77,514. I guess “Conwy Coast and Rhyl” or “Clwyd North” would be suitable names (”Sunset Strip” would be misleading, heh :))

Tim Jones (not registered)

‘This is very rough calculations, and to stop it from going over 80K electorate I’ve not included Conwy ward, but taking wards from the north Wales coast From Llandudno east towards and including the whole of Rhyl’

I excluded Rhyl from the proposed Llandudno, Conway & Colwyn Bay seat

It’s very different (which is a polite way of saying it’s a dump, whereas the other three towns aren’t - although worryingly Colwyn Bay is going in that way) and without it the seat should come to about 65,000-67,000

Dewi
Islwyn

By immigrant, I take it you mean persons born in England?

Yes - no insult at all intended - it makes the demographics interesting.

Dewi
Islwyn

“2) A “big” coastal resort.”

I’m an idiot - They share this characteristic apart from this seat. hmmm

doktorb
Preston

I suppose leaving Rhyl out of a “Coastal” seat would make it easy/ier to add the Conwy ward with no need to cross any of the authority boundaries. But alas we’re going to have to wait for a long, long, time.

Pete Whitehead
Ruislip Northwood

Dewi
Islwyn
“There is ofcourse a case to be made for bringing Monmouth back into England,”

“Back??? Are you mad? When was Monmouth part of England???”

Its a very grey area. There’s a long article on the subject on Wikipedia (search for Monmouthshire). Based on what is written there one could make a case that it was not until 1972 that Monmouthshire was fully adn formally incorperated into Wales. I dont know what amount of consultaion there was at the time to ascertain the wishes of the people of Monmouthshire. I’m sure if the question were to arise (eg in a hypothetical situation of Wales becoming independent) it would be decided by some form of local plebiscite(s). I learnt from the recent obituaries of Leo Abse, who was a Monmouthshire MP, that he had campaigned against devolution and one of his concerns was that the Welsh language would be imposed on areas where it was not spoken by the local population. Many people in Momouth and Newport may feel that this has in some way come to pass but this doesnt mean that they would necessarily prefer to be part of England.
Anyway you needn’t worry Dewi - I feel quite confident that revanchist Englishmen will not covet your part of Monmouthshire ;)

Pete Whitehead
Ruislip Northwood

The boundary question does have relevenace to this seat also as it includes the English speaking Maelor (Maelor Saesneg)(that is the detached part of the former county of Flintshire)

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