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		<title>By: Steve Coberman</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/brightonpavillion/comment-page-25/#comment-285519</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Coberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Sussex coast resident of 25 years standing I can confirm that Brighton and Hove (that is, Georgian and Victorian Hove) are indeed one single contiguous settlement.

The anomaly is actually Hove itself.  It&#039;s utterly schizophrenic.  The western half (Aldrington, Fishersgate, Portslade) is Edwardian and (primarily) 20th century, less affluent and more industrial than &quot;core&quot; Hove, and merges imperceptibly into Southwick, Shoreham, and Lancing.

I haven&#039;t tried juggling the figures to see if it makes sense in terms of the BC parameters, but in terms of how the place feels a &quot;natural&quot; split of the Sussex coast to the west of Eastbourne would have seats for Chichester, Bognor &amp; Littlehampton (both seats much as currently defined), Worthing (effectively the current West Worthing), Shoreham (covering Lancing to Aldrington), Brighton &amp; Hove South (the coastal and central strip based on the A259 from King Alfreds to St Dunstans), Brighton &amp; Hove North (the inland strip based on the A27 from Holmbush to Falmer/Woodingdean), and Newhaven (Rottingdean to Seaford).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Sussex coast resident of 25 years standing I can confirm that Brighton and Hove (that is, Georgian and Victorian Hove) are indeed one single contiguous settlement.</p>
<p>The anomaly is actually Hove itself.  It&#8217;s utterly schizophrenic.  The western half (Aldrington, Fishersgate, Portslade) is Edwardian and (primarily) 20th century, less affluent and more industrial than &#8220;core&#8221; Hove, and merges imperceptibly into Southwick, Shoreham, and Lancing.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried juggling the figures to see if it makes sense in terms of the BC parameters, but in terms of how the place feels a &#8220;natural&#8221; split of the Sussex coast to the west of Eastbourne would have seats for Chichester, Bognor &amp; Littlehampton (both seats much as currently defined), Worthing (effectively the current West Worthing), Shoreham (covering Lancing to Aldrington), Brighton &amp; Hove South (the coastal and central strip based on the A259 from King Alfreds to St Dunstans), Brighton &amp; Hove North (the inland strip based on the A27 from Holmbush to Falmer/Woodingdean), and Newhaven (Rottingdean to Seaford).</p>
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		<title>By: Dalek</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/brightonpavillion/comment-page-25/#comment-284670</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are the proposals for Brighton &amp; Hove so radical?

No argument about Lewes &amp; Brighton East (only the name) but why create &#039;Brighton &amp; Hove North&#039; and &#039;Brighton Pavilion &amp; Hove&#039; when the current &#039;Brighton Pavilion&#039; and &#039;Hove&#039; could have been retained.

Looking at the proposed maps why not keep....

Brunswick &amp; Adelaide
Goldmid
Hove Central

...in Hove and have......

Hollingdean &amp; Stanmer
Patcham
Withdean

.......in Brighton Pavilion?

This would be much more logical and I though the boundary commission were expected to retain existing constituencies as much as possible unless unavoidable.   

The clear historical Brighton and Hove destinctions would be retained, unless the current BC thinking is to disregard this on the notion that the two old boroughs are now effectively a single city.   

Also, maintaining the current urban / suburban mix keeps both constituencies at an adequate geographical size.  

Why are the boundary changes in Brighton &amp; Hove so radical for no reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are the proposals for Brighton &amp; Hove so radical?</p>
<p>No argument about Lewes &amp; Brighton East (only the name) but why create &#8216;Brighton &amp; Hove North&#8217; and &#8216;Brighton Pavilion &amp; Hove&#8217; when the current &#8216;Brighton Pavilion&#8217; and &#8216;Hove&#8217; could have been retained.</p>
<p>Looking at the proposed maps why not keep&#8230;.</p>
<p>Brunswick &amp; Adelaide<br />
Goldmid<br />
Hove Central</p>
<p>&#8230;in Hove and have&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Hollingdean &amp; Stanmer<br />
Patcham<br />
Withdean</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;.in Brighton Pavilion?</p>
<p>This would be much more logical and I though the boundary commission were expected to retain existing constituencies as much as possible unless unavoidable.   </p>
<p>The clear historical Brighton and Hove destinctions would be retained, unless the current BC thinking is to disregard this on the notion that the two old boroughs are now effectively a single city.   </p>
<p>Also, maintaining the current urban / suburban mix keeps both constituencies at an adequate geographical size.  </p>
<p>Why are the boundary changes in Brighton &amp; Hove so radical for no reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalek</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/brightonpavillion/comment-page-25/#comment-284645</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at the maps for South East region and &#039;Brighton Pavilion &amp; Hove&#039; is tiny, much smaller than even the current &#039;Portsmouth South&#039;.

In fact, it appears even smaller than most constituencies in Greater London, and much more dense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at the maps for South East region and &#8216;Brighton Pavilion &amp; Hove&#8217; is tiny, much smaller than even the current &#8216;Portsmouth South&#8217;.</p>
<p>In fact, it appears even smaller than most constituencies in Greater London, and much more dense.</p>
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		<title>By: John Chanin</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/brightonpavillion/comment-page-25/#comment-284641</link>
		<dc:creator>John Chanin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but I lived there for a while and Brighton &amp; Hove definitely are one city, with the old boundary between them invisible.  

See also Poole &amp; Bournemouth, Warwick &amp; Leamington etc.   We could do with a lot more cities properly reflecting the built up urban area.  Nottingham is particularly bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but I lived there for a while and Brighton &amp; Hove definitely are one city, with the old boundary between them invisible.  </p>
<p>See also Poole &amp; Bournemouth, Warwick &amp; Leamington etc.   We could do with a lot more cities properly reflecting the built up urban area.  Nottingham is particularly bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidan Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, the official names of the two Paisley/Renfrewshire seats are: &#039;Paisley North and North Renfrewshire&#039; and &#039;Paisley South and South Renfrewshire&#039;. (Or maybe it&#039;s &#039;North Renfrewshire and Paisley North&#039; and &#039;South Renfrewshire and Paisley South&#039; - but you get my drift.) &#039;Paisley and Renfrewshire North&#039; (or South) was coined by, I think, the Press Association, on the grounds that the official names were a mouthful.

I don&#039;t know why they went for a sandwich approach to Paisley rather than a doughnut. Possibly they felt that Renfrew had to be included in a Paisley seat, as most of its main lines of communication go southwards towards Paisley rather than westwards - though that didn&#039;t stop them including Renfrew in a non-Paisley seat in the Scottish parliament boundary review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, the official names of the two Paisley/Renfrewshire seats are: &#8216;Paisley North and North Renfrewshire&#8217; and &#8216;Paisley South and South Renfrewshire&#8217;. (Or maybe it&#8217;s &#8216;North Renfrewshire and Paisley North&#8217; and &#8216;South Renfrewshire and Paisley South&#8217; &#8211; but you get my drift.) &#8216;Paisley and Renfrewshire North&#8217; (or South) was coined by, I think, the Press Association, on the grounds that the official names were a mouthful.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why they went for a sandwich approach to Paisley rather than a doughnut. Possibly they felt that Renfrew had to be included in a Paisley seat, as most of its main lines of communication go southwards towards Paisley rather than westwards &#8211; though that didn&#8217;t stop them including Renfrew in a non-Paisley seat in the Scottish parliament boundary review.</p>
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		<title>By: OldFatherTime</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/guide/seat-profiles/brightonpavillion/comment-page-25/#comment-284639</link>
		<dc:creator>OldFatherTime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So we ought to have permanent GMT&quot;

GMT does not change. It is permanent.
Each nation sets its local time to GMT+/- x hours x minutes.

Therefore the government is proposing that our time in winter would be GMT+1 rather than GMT as now.

Consequenrtly BST would be GMT+2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So we ought to have permanent GMT&#8221;</p>
<p>GMT does not change. It is permanent.<br />
Each nation sets its local time to GMT+/- x hours x minutes.</p>
<p>Therefore the government is proposing that our time in winter would be GMT+1 rather than GMT as now.</p>
<p>Consequenrtly BST would be GMT+2.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederic Stansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederic Stansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that English places should be cities if and only if they have Cathedrals (or possibly Westminster Abbey - what about Windsor. And we might count King&#039;s College Chapel Cambridge too).

Running competitions to make places cities has become a cheap gimmick by politicians who cannot do anything better because they have ruined the country economically. Sadly, many electors seems to get taken in by this.

Messing about with the clocks is a similar disgrace. The sun is overhead at Greenwich, i.e. London, at 12 noon Greenwich Mean Time. So we ought to have permanent GMT. If you want more daylight time in either the morning or the evening, change what times factories, schools, offices, shops etc. open at. Don&#039;t make a nonsense of the clocks.  But again, remarkably few people seem to take in that changing the clock does not actually change the way the sun goes round the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that English places should be cities if and only if they have Cathedrals (or possibly Westminster Abbey &#8211; what about Windsor. And we might count King&#8217;s College Chapel Cambridge too).</p>
<p>Running competitions to make places cities has become a cheap gimmick by politicians who cannot do anything better because they have ruined the country economically. Sadly, many electors seems to get taken in by this.</p>
<p>Messing about with the clocks is a similar disgrace. The sun is overhead at Greenwich, i.e. London, at 12 noon Greenwich Mean Time. So we ought to have permanent GMT. If you want more daylight time in either the morning or the evening, change what times factories, schools, offices, shops etc. open at. Don&#8217;t make a nonsense of the clocks.  But again, remarkably few people seem to take in that changing the clock does not actually change the way the sun goes round the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Dalek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that not as silly as &#039;Paisley &amp; Renfrewshire North&#039; and &#039;Paisley &amp; Renfrewshire South&#039;.

They read like each constituency includes the whole of Paisley.   &#039;Renfrewshire North&#039; and &#039;Renfrewshire South&#039; would have made more sense, or create a donut so that there was a &#039;Paisley&#039; constituency and a &#039;Renfrewshire&#039; constituency.

Renfrewshire could perhaps have been called Renfrewshire Mid to avoid confusion with East Renfrewshire and Inverclyde (the Western part of Renfrewshire).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that not as silly as &#8216;Paisley &amp; Renfrewshire North&#8217; and &#8216;Paisley &amp; Renfrewshire South&#8217;.</p>
<p>They read like each constituency includes the whole of Paisley.   &#8216;Renfrewshire North&#8217; and &#8216;Renfrewshire South&#8217; would have made more sense, or create a donut so that there was a &#8216;Paisley&#8217; constituency and a &#8216;Renfrewshire&#8217; constituency.</p>
<p>Renfrewshire could perhaps have been called Renfrewshire Mid to avoid confusion with East Renfrewshire and Inverclyde (the Western part of Renfrewshire).</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Whitehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Whitehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. It would have been akin to the boundary commission renaming the old Hammersmith and Fulham constituencies as Hammersmith &amp; Fulham North and Hammersmith &amp; Fulham South respectively</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. It would have been akin to the boundary commission renaming the old Hammersmith and Fulham constituencies as Hammersmith &amp; Fulham North and Hammersmith &amp; Fulham South respectively</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also surprises many that Cambridge didn&#039;t gain city status until the 1950s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It also surprises many that Cambridge didn&#8217;t gain city status until the 1950s.</p>
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