Ipsos MORI’s monthly political monitor for the Evening Standard came out earlier today. Topline voting intention figures are CON 40%(-3), LAB 29%(-2), LDEM 13%(+2), UKIP 9%(+3). The Tory lead remains pretty steady (note that the increase in the UKIP vote is probably largely a reversion to the mean following an anomolous 6% last month).

Satisfaction ratings with the party leaders are plus 17 for Theresa May (53% are satisfied, 36% are disatisfied) and minus 38 for Jeremy Corbyn (24% satisfied and 62% disatisfied). That includes 22% of Tory voters who say that are “satisfied” with Corbyn’s leadership… I suspect they don’t mean that in a complementary way.

Nothing else has been published yet (MORI normally ask a few other questions, but I expect they’ve held them back to give the Standard another story), all the details so far are over here.


538 Responses to “Ipsos MORI/Standard – CON 40, LAB 29, LD 13, UKIP 9”

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  1. Good morning all from lovely Frome in lovely Somerset.
    PEADAR RUADH
    “I wonder what you thought of Frome, where I lived for twenty years until last July”
    “I like the way you apply the adjective “lovely” to the county, not to the grotty town”
    ___________

    Frome is a lovely town. I spend quite a bit of time here visiting my grandparents. They live just to the north-west of the town and have great panoramic views of the Mendips.

    As for the politics in Frome, I have absolutely no idea about the shenanigans at the local level. What I would say, though, I always get suspicious of independents when they stand for local elections.

    Who are they? What is their party allegiance nationally? and so on. Unless a local independent is standing on a strong local ticket such as stopping a school, hospital, bus route etc from closing then I would stay well clear of the buggers because as we’ve seen (according to your post) they looked a bit greenish!! ;-)

  2. “I was a little surprised when the UK government conceded that membership of the Single Market wasn’t possible, rather than taking a position that they would try and negotiate to alter the terms of membership to exclude unlimited free movement. I saw that too as in indication of a desire to be constructive and non-oppositional.”

    Not really. More a demonstration of our preparedness to walk away from the Single Market, whereas many EU politicians were thinking we would consider it too high a price to pay.

  3. Re: The ‘Frome Spring’ and last night’s local election results

    There appears to be a trend towards non-party ‘independent’ representation on local authorities. The Frome example is perhaps the best – it was a complete takeover of the local council.

    This could develop into a serious challenge to the party political system. So what is happening?:

    1. We have had nearly ten years of austerity and cuts to local authority budgets, and people are fed up with declining services, and possibly the poor management of those cuts.

    2. There is an almost worldwide ‘anti-establishment’ mood

    3. Membership of political parties is generally declining ( I know Corbyn has changed that, but I am referring to a longer trend ). It is simply seen as ridiculous that councillors are selected from the tiny group of individuals who belong to a political party.

    4. People are very tired of political point-scoring and yah-boo behaviour at their local town hall.

    5. Social media are giving independents a platform.

    6. Standing as an independent can allow a candidate to ‘hide’ their political affiliation, that would otherwise be electorally unacceptable.

    I think the rise of the independents could be the big story of the May elections, especially if mainstream media cotton on to what is going on. Those results last night would be a ‘surge’ if they had been achieved by a political party ( the Greens are semi-independents aren’t they? )

  4. Just to clarify….I wasn’t having a pop at the Greens but independents in any part of the country could be masking their true colours and agenda so that’s one of the reasons I would think twice at putting a x next to their name.

  5. It does look like a very good night for Greens and Independents.

    Also that the LDem recovery is very conditional – only where they clearly put the work in, and even then a strong anti-establishment alternative can outflank them.

    An OK night for Labour, poor for UKIP and Tories, and extremely disappointing for LDems after recent successes.

  6. CHRIS RILEY
    @Allan
    Can’t speak for the other areas, but I know Bollington, and the winning candidate is a popular ex-Mayor who has won on an independent platform several times. Her and her partner organise the local arts festival amongst other things.

    The by-election was because a local Tory councillor resigned over an extremely unpopular cut to school bus services that was handled remarkably badly even for this most arrogant of councils. It’s one of of a number of imaginative ways that Cheshire East council are deploying in an apparent bid to make the whole area much less safe Conservative than it has been historically.
    ___________

    Ah now, this is the sort of example I was referring to in one of my other posts regarding independents. If people know who they are and they have a strong platform on which to stand for then great, vote for them. It’s the little unknown quantities I would be suspicious about…Who are they? Is there a wider political agenda to help another party by stealth?

    It’s interesting what you’re saying is happening in Cheshire East council. Ok they are making less safe for the Tories which party stands to benefit from this nationally?

    Think about it. You have a small local council which covers a couple of Tory or Labour marginal Westminster seats, candidates at local level stand on an independent platform but have allegiances to political parties nationally. Leading up to a GE they/the council, start putting out biased literature towards one party in the hope it scuppers their chance of winning that seat…I’m not saying it happens but its one of the reasons I would think twice about independents. Who are they really?

  7. @Millie

    he Greens are semi-independents aren’t they?

    The Greens have a policy of not imposing a party whip, so they are semi-independent.

    I’m not against independent candidates – indeed, I am considering running as one locally in the 2017 locals. I will have a range of policies upfront, and they wold what I would look to achieve. I think most local issues have little to do with different party ideology at national level.

    Fighting party machines is tough though, as getting 8,000 leaflet out without serious help is an issue.

  8. Bah!

    I’m not against independent candidates – indeed, I am considering running as one locally in the 2017 locals. I will have a range of policies upfront, and they would be what I would look to achieve. I think most local issues have little to do with different party ideology at national level.

  9. BIGFATRON

    “An OK night for Labour, poor for UKIP and Tories, and extremely disappointing for LDems after recent successes”
    ________

    A very fair assessment.

  10. MILLIE

    Quite a lot of your post I’m in agreement with..however!!

    “6. Standing as an independent can allow a candidate to ‘hide’ their political affiliation, that would otherwise be electorally unacceptable”
    ____

    That’s my major concern regarding independents. Fine, they can hide their political affiliation but in key marginal areas of the country leading up to a Westminster GE election, do they run a concerted stealth campaign against a Westminster candidate if he/she is not to their liking?

  11. ALLANCHRISTIE

    @”Who are they?”

    An old friend of mine in Cornwall-a LD Councillor there-used to call them “ConDependents” on his Council :-)

  12. @AC

    That’s my major concern regarding independents. Fine, they can hide their political affiliation but in key marginal areas of the country leading up to a Westminster GE election, do they run a concerted stealth campaign against a Westminster candidate if he/she is not to their liking?

    Running and campaigning as an independent is very hard indeed, due to the lack of boots on the ground.

    I think it would crazy, near to impossible and a strategy of madness to think an independent Councillor could seriously sneakily win a seat just to undermine one party in the next GE.

    Try delivering 8,000 leaflets by yourself some time …

  13. @Allan

    Beware of drawing the most politically convenient conclusions.

    Locally the Tories are dominant, Labour have had a nasty dose of a particularly divisive strain of Momentum, the Lib Dems largely fell apart over the NHS when they were in coalition and UKIP are chiefly notable for having drawn in the areas most notorious head-the-balls and bitter, unpopular ex-Wintertonite former Tories whose political motivation seems to be misanthropy rather than social change.

    This area tends to attract successful professionals of the roll-up-your-sleeves-and-get-things-done strain and so independents can do rather well.

    I do something else for a living that, amongst other things, getting people’s views on issues that are politically live. The experience around here where the views of locals about how they are taken for granted by the Tories are eerily reminiscent of talk in Scotland about Labour (and don’t think people aren’t aware of that either),. makes me increasingly convinced that a centrist political movement would destroy the Conservatives if it was created.

    To partially answer Neil A, I am not sure Blair has been rehabilitated, but if all the parties were deliberately conspiring to give him the maximum chance of a comeback, it’s difficult to see what they would currently be doing differently.

    If you’re a wonk, Blair might be discredited. If you’re an ordinary voter, he won 3 General Elections, never lost one, and is currently hated by the entire political Establishment, and particularly by people you neither like nor trust. Ironically, I think he’s too principled to use that to his advantage (and I think he wants to minimise damage to the Labour Party). if, however, Mandelson and Campbell suddenly appear on the scene, or he finds a popular non-political figurehead to front his campaign then we may get something extremely interesting happening.

  14. I watched the Trump news conference. I am genuinely scared. He said that the press is out of control, and I inferred from his words after that that he planned to do something about it; what? The checks and balances in the US should prevent anything untoward happening re: the First Amendment, but the very fact that he has approached matters this way just four weeks into office is troubling.
    I wonder how this will impact on his proposed state visit and if he does visit what the impact might be on VI on our own politics depending on how the visit is approached.

  15. @Neil A – “I was a little surprised when the UK government conceded that membership of the Single Market wasn’t possible, rather than taking a position that they would try and negotiate to alter the terms of membership to exclude unlimited free movement.”

    I actually think May got this one right, in terms of the negotiating position. As I think @BT Says says, had she indicated a preference for staying in the Single Market, then the EU would clearly eye up a long list of wants on their side. By showing a hard [Brexit] face to them, May has signalled that she isn’t minded to accept these demands, as she doesn’t consider it a price worth paying.

    Whether this is her true position is much more doubtful. We know that she believes the single market – or at least trade terms akin to this – is very important to the UK, and she wasn’t, unlike some claims, somehow a closet leaver all these years. She will certainly want the best possible market access, as she has stated publicly, but the question remains just what precisely she is prepared to concede to get this.

    One point that is worth noting is that the CBI and other business leaders have previously been told things privately by No 10 that are different to what she has stated in public. This fits, as she needs to keep business thinking that market access will be protected, but quite how she ends up balancing these two apparently coontradictory positions will largely define whether or not the deal gets supported.

  16. Regarding leader popularity and why May is doing well,
    People are prone to talk about this as if the issue of party popularity and leader popularity can be separated, and that the questions asked succeed in doing this. So, frequently Corbyn is blamed fo being a poor leader and pulling down overall labour popularity. But this must also work the other way round, and so labour unpopularity must drag down Corbyn’s support. Comparing the tabulated support for differnet parties and what they think about other leaders, shows disproportionate approval for their own leader and disapproval for those of other parties.

    So the question might be put, if May were currently leader of Labour (not so strange given some of the things she has said), and Corbyn was leader of the conservatives (Ok, harder to imagine), might we nonethless see a big drop on May’s score and big rise in that of Corbyn?

  17. COLIN

    LOL, well that’s probably true. ;-)
    …………

    CATMANJEFF

    I’m more on about an actual local council being run by independents who might have an agenda against a sitting or prospective Westminster candidate. Example, You have an independent run council made up of mostly Lib/Dem affiliated councillors but stood as independents. It’s key marginal Westminster Lib/Dem/Tory seat. We are heading into a UK GE, do the independents stay neutral or do they undermine the Tory candidate by producing council literature that is anti-Tory in nature?

  18. WB: ” He said that the press is out of control, and I inferred from his words after that that he planned to do something about it; what?”

    That’s exactly the question Evan Davis put to ‘a Trump aide” (didn’t catch his name). The exchange is pretty dispiriting:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39000118

  19. Neil A: ‘I was a little surprised when the UK government conceded that membership of the Single Market wasn’t possible”

    Surely this is just an acknowledgement that SM membership would mean accepting things that are deemed politically unacceptable. A SM has to have common product regulations, a dispute resolution mechanism, and acceptance of a common external tariff.

    Given that all three are ‘red lines’ to kippers and fellow travellers, May has to turn to Plan B: a CETA-style free trade agreement.

  20. Alec

    I agree.I do not think that May could, as a negotiating position, say other than what she did and it is also important that the other side to the negotiatiions believe that she is so committed to Brexit that she would walk away.
    That is what is so dispiriting about the internal Uk sniping about hard brexit and soft brexit.Those who crave a solution akin to soft Brexit may through their attacks on the uK negotiating position make it more likely that the outcome they want is not available.
    Cameron apparently told EU leaders before his negotiations that whatever the outcome of those negotiations the uK would never leave the EU. Hardly surprising then that they thought they were in some sort of charade and failed to judge the seriousness of the situation. If the EU thought that the UK is unwilling to walk away then our position is weaker.
    The Blair intervention is timed and calculated to give heart to heart and support to the Lords in resistance to the Brexit Bill. The lords have no constituitonal precedent for this. Their normal role with regards to a bill must be subject to the fact that that bill puts into effect the result of a referendum which they, the lords, themselves voted for.

  21. Some significantly weak retail sales data today, with a 0.3% fall in January, a big reverse from the expected 0.9% rise. It also follows on from the December fall, with the ONS saying that we now have the first fall in the overall underly!ng trend, with online and high street sales collectively looking weak.

    This is quite interesting, as it does tend to confirm the much anticipated slow down is finally arriving. However, I would be cautious about retail sales, as they are highly volatile on a month to month basis, but it will be interesting to see what the impacts are if we continue to see more monthly falls.

  22. @CMJ

    Re: Independents.

    It all depends on the independent :) As you say, your intention is to produce a manifesto and to campaign on that platform but, all too often, it is impossible to guess what an independent’s political frame of reference would be in deciding on issues. However imperfect, a political label is a pointer and in many places, Independent is synonymous with conservative/ukip or even more to the right. No-one could doubt your politics from 8k leaflets but you are hardly the normal independent.

    My knee-jerk reaction to the Frome story, is that it sounded as if the District Council seats were not contested by other parties but on reflection, I don’t know that. My other negative response was to the photo on the Flatpack democracy website, which seems to be of Ayn Rand (it has no label)… and that would concern me as to what sort of greenish label was being represented.

    Globally, many ‘independents’ are standing who on closer examination turn out to be ‘free-thinkers’ from an economically libertarian position. I’m thinking of the 5-Star movement in Italy and indeed, Trump who is neither a Republican or a Democrat. ‘Independent’ can cover all manner of political philosophies from ‘sinner to saint’ – it all depends on the individual candidate.

  23. Alec

    The retail sales are indeed interesting. Whether they are a bellwether for the delayed post-referendum downturn or just a blip will take a bit longer to see.

    This comment adds a bit more detail (note the downward revision of the December sales figure):

    Ruth Gregory, UK economist at Capital Economics, says the retail sales figures has brought the recent run of resilient economic news to an abrupt end.

    “The rest of the year is shaping up to be tough on the high street, given the expected squeeze on consumers’ real pay growth. Not only did the volume of retail sales drop by a monthly 0.3% (compared to the 0.9% pick-up expected), but the hefty fall in the previous month was revised from -1.9% to -2.1%.

    “This left the annual rate at 1.5%, down sharply from 4.3% in December. Indeed, very strong monthly rises, in excess of 2%, over the next two months would be required to prevent retail sales from dropping in the first quarter and dragging on GDP growth.”

  24. alec

    retail sales

    This reduction may be the result of statistical rebooting by the ONS of their small retailers position.Lies,damned lies and statistics.we will have to see.

  25. Re Independents.

    I live in Powys, where we have a coalition of 3 different Independent groups (who often do not get on with each other) running the council. Political party councillors tend to come from the towns. From what I have received through my letter box this time the Tories, Lib Dems and Greens at least will be fighting my rural ward so the parties may be fighting more seats this year. Those “independents” who’s party affiliation I know tend to be Conservative but most are genuinely independent so we have little idea of their strategic objectives for the county. There has always been a large number of “returned unopposed” in the rural areas but, perhaps, not this time.

  26. @ S Thomas

    ‘Cameron apparently told EU leaders before his negotiations that whatever the outcome of those negotiations the uK would never leave the EU. ‘

    According to the investigations of Corporate Europe, we weren’t privy to all the negotiations which were concluded well prior to the announced negotiation.

    ‘The financial sector had used the threat of Brexit via the UK referendum on EU membership to promote its deregulatory agenda since 2013, according to the study: “How Cameron’s referendum delivered victories to Big Finance”.’

    https://corporateeurope.org/sites/default/files/attachments/how_camerons_referendum_delivered_victories_to_big_finance.pdf

  27. @Somerjohn & @S Thomas – delving deeper, it does look more likely that the retail sales figures represent a deeper issue than a shallow blip.

    Other data shows that retaliers have only just started to up prices, with a lot more to come, and BoE stats of consumer borrowing started to fall back in November and this is now hitting sales.

    Everyone seems to have settled on a relatively shallow and slow downward glide, but I can’t see how the likely inflation and debt collision will be quite so gentle.

  28. S Thomas

    The amazinging thing about the Commission’s behaviour has been the sheer political ineptitude of it. Astonishing, blinding incompetence that has surprised everybody, not just the British. I cannot help speculating on how different it would have been had Tony Blair been President of the Commission.

    I agree with your view on the timing of Blair’s latest (3rd) attempt to ‘rescue the country from Brexit’. But I don’t think it will wash. The Labour Leader in the Lords has said that they will offer Amendments but not obstruct the bill, ‘there will be no ping pong’. If Labour takes that view, then there is little that the Liberals and their un-principled opportunist Farron can do to wreck the bill.

    The ‘no ping pong’ means that Labour intends to send Amendments back to the Commons, but if they are rejected by the HoC then they will pass the bill when it is sent back to them un-Amended. They are playing for time in the hope that something will turn up; it might. They cannot honourably do more, and I think they know it.

  29. A somewhat sobering view of the alleged benefits of devaluation – https://www.wsj.com/articles/britains-pound-depreciation-isnt-working-1484859707

    Not sure what Tomb’s general take is on matters Brexit and the UK economic outlook, but the figures he quotes do suggest that the headline optimism regarding exports is a little misplaced.

    When the last set of trade figures came out, I pointed out that much of the improvement stemmed from gold sales on the London commodity markets, and alongside the trade figures the BCC reported that 60% of exporters hadn’t seen any benefit from better export volumes due to hefty cost increases in imported components – just as Tombs states.

    @S Thomas – yes, the revision of the small retailers statistics from an outrageous +16% figure will affect these figures, but presumably didn’t influence the December -1.9% headline fall. Worse, the revision seems to be removing a statistical anomaly, which suggests that previous figures were too optimistic.

  30. Rodger

    I expect the Lords opposition to concentrate around:

    a. Rights of EU Citizens in the uk. Cheap popularity.

    b. Reporting to Parliament; or if really feeling lucky a vote if no deal;

  31. S Thomas

    Yes, I think you are right.

    a. The Commons will either say no, return some anodyne wording about striving to get a deal for *all* EU citizens, meaning including ours over there, which is what May has been trying to do anyway.
    b. They might get the ‘Reporting to Parliament’ which will give them the right to hear an hour of waffle once a month that tells them precisely nothing. And Parliament will not rock the boat on that; things will have moved on by then.

    The only thing that will change all this is if the ECJ says that A50 is reversible, or more importantly what conditions must be satisfied to allow it to be withdrawn.

  32. Rather as Trump continues to rehearse his election rhetoric now he’s president, Brexiters on here seem keen to continue arguing the case for Brexit against those of us who feel it’s the wrong choice for Britain.

    It’s time to move on. You won the vote, now make Brexit work. Don’t look to us for help, or the much-derided ‘experts’.

    First, you have to decide amongst yourselves which of the 50 Shades of Brexit you want. Then you have to make it happen, and carry the country with you. If the country turns against Brexit, you have a problem, but not an insurmountable one if you can avoid a vote.

    Of course those of us who think it’s going to be a disaster for our country will continue to say so. You don’t just shrug your shoulders and walk away when someone is about to jump off a bridge, however determined they may seem to do themselves in.

    But, having won the vote, the argument you should be having is amongst yourselves, not with remainers.

  33. Re: Independent councillors

    It is fairly rare for independents to dominate a council, as in Frome, but Epsom and Ewell Residents Association have dominated the Borough of that name since it was founded. In my own Borough (Harrow) we had a residents’ group holding one ward (Roxeth) for over 20 years up to the 1998 elections, when it was won by Labour, who have held it since. There have frequently been one or two (currently two) independents on the Council; I am not including those who leave a party to sit as independents here; and they certainly do act as true independents, voting on issues on their merits.

    CATMANJEFF
    I would not normally disagree with your useful posts, but I would caution against your rose-tinted view of Libre Office. In a number of cases, I have had to interchange files between Libre Office and earlier versions of Microsoft Office and have found incompatibilities. Libre Office Writer does not handle tables in the same way as Microsoft Word. Libre Office Calc is missing a number of basic features of Excel (you cannot create histograms for example). In another instance Google Docs would not read an Impress file correctly, even though I had checked that it was correctly rendered in PowerPoint.

    In summary, Libre Office is not reliable if you wish to exchange editable files with users of other office suites.

  34. @Somerjohn – indeed. They really do seem quite a touchy bunch, don’t they?

  35. Retail Sales

    Being in retail, I feel this is just a natural re-balancing after the period which now runs from this new “Black Friday” weekend all the way up to Christmas.

    Tony Blair

    Just heard the former PMs speech. To sum it up…..”You’re all thick, you voted the wrong way and I will ensure you keep voting until you give the correct answer”.
    He’s just dismissed the biggest democratic exercise in British history.

  36. Anyway, judging by the letters to the local MP I have been asked to write, the answer to this question from the BBC is ‘yes’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38993715

    Pay close attention to this, because I can assure you that this is a big, big issue. Cheshire East is about to become the worst-funded local authority per head for schools in the country, and people have noticed. My word, they have noticed.

  37. @Jaspar22 – “He’s just dismissed the biggest democratic exercise in British history.”

    No didn’t. He accepted that 52% of people had voted for Brexit, but said – “All I’m saying is a very, very simple thing, that this is the beginning of the debate – that if a significant part of that 52% show real change of mind, however you measure it, we should have the opportunity to reconsider this decision.

    “Whether you do it through another referendum or another method, that’s a second order question.

    “But this issue is the single most important decision this country has taken since the Second World War and debate can’t now be shut down about it.”

    Do you have such a problem with the concept of people being allowed to change their minds, and if so, why?

  38. @Chris riley – yes I rather think so. This will pile up pressure as the nonsense we were fed about protecting frontline services is exposed for what it is.

    I do recall I was dismissed by some on here for my gloom laden predictions around 5 years ago regarding NHS funding, which I pointed out was the biggest squeeze on NHS budgets since it was formed. It’s now happening in schools.

    The same warning voices are being laughed at regarding Brexit. Ho hum.

  39. @Chris Riley

    Yes, I agree with you – school funding is shaping up to be another serious crisis for team May (along with NHS, social care, housing and more).

    In fact, the problem is not just school funding – it’s funding in general. Osborne’s austerity has not brought the promised results, and the easier cuts have all been made. Where is the money to come from, without introducing tax rises? I see that newspaper headlines this morning (Telegraph?) were warning of a threatened revolt in Tory heartlands, if the rise in business rates goes through. Here in Surrey, the county council thought they could find additional money for social care with a steep rise in council tax – but cancelled that, when they saw how deeply unpopular that was.

    Conservatives have been riding high in the polls, faced with an incompetent opposition and Brexit dominating the news. As the news cycle moves on, and other problems become more pressing, I would expect the Conservative polling VI to decline (especially if Labour can find a half way decent leader).

  40. Alec

    Thanks for your reply.
    I loved this bit:-

    “You, by contrast, have the temerity to have a go at others for not producing evidence”

    Just stating facts about last night. That really made me smile. LOL.

    Anyway we obviously disagree we can leave it at that.

  41. MILLIE
    Re: The ‘Frome Spring’ and last night’s local election results

    Very interesting and thoughtful piece. It will be really interesting to see if there is an increase in the number of independants elected in May.

  42. @Alec, Saffer

    There are a series of mounting issues in the education system of which this is, unhappily, merely the forerunner.

    Teacher supply is potentially even more serious. There are some extremely nasty choices to be made early in the next Parliament for our secondary system.

  43. Alec

    He talked about “imperfect knowledge”. “The people voted without knowledge of the true terms of Brexit”.
    No we didn’t. We knew what it meant to tick the box saying “Leave the European Union”. It meant leaving the European Union.
    There is something Orwellian about Mr Blair and his “we know better” brigade. He wants to save us, from rushing over the “cliff edge”.
    Sorry mate, we want out. Maybe he should jump on a plane – first class of course – and head to Baghdad to apologise to the Iraqis for making up the WMD nonsense.

  44. @Saffer

    I cannot, for the life of me, understand why Mr Corbyn has not at least considered tax rises. I cannot see any way in which the public services the British people reliably and continually say that they expect can be funded without them.

    Yet a successful long-term campaign by the tax dodgers who run parts of the Press have made what is a central function of Government politically taboo. It is madness.

  45. Alec

    Your 11.05 post on the retail sales figures. Almost exactly my own view. Nice to agree again. However, I don’t necessarily agree with your 11.32 on the same subject.

    Somerjohn

    Your 11.14 post also on the retail sales figures. Nice to agree with you as well.

  46. Jasper22: “We knew what it meant to tick the box saying “Leave the European Union”. It meant leaving the European Union.”

    If that’s all it meant, the referendum result will be fully respected by leaving the EU but remaining in the EEA, the Single Market and the Customs Union, while still subject to ECJ jurisdictions, still making payments, and still accepting EU regulations.

    I’m glad to hear that’s your position.

    Or maybe things are a bit more complicated than you suggested?

  47. JASPER22

    I saw the Blair speech on the 1 pm news. The best piece of the reporting of that event was the interview with the business lady who voted to remain but said it was time toaccept the verdict of the people and move on. How sensible, and good to see the BBC being balanced. Blair views clearly do not stand for all those who voted remain.

  48. alec

    The chilling thing about what Blair said was as to the british people changing its mind ..however you measure it.

    What does he mean?. Clearly not a second referendum or does it mean reading the runes on our behalf or a BBC poll perhaps?. Or perhaps we can simply do away with Democracy and let Tony decide for us aided by a dossier which he has knocked up with Cambell.

  49. Somerjohn

    No, it meant leaving all those things as well.

    There is something rather unseemly about all this howling at the moon, this raging against the dying of the light. Mr Blair, and the connected , moneyed elites don’t seem to be able to get their heads around the fact that people knew what they were doing. It’s paternalism at its worst. He feels like he must give us the benefit of his “wisdom”.
    We’re done with his Third Way. The masses have had enough of the “experts”.
    Be off with them.

  50. Re; Trump new conference referenced above, I agree it was bizarre, but one thug occurred to me I would love to get people’s view on.

    I actually think Trump is right on Russia…The options are as follows, either arm up against Russia & marginalise via sanctions, or try to improve relations through dialogue and trade with them, and hope in turn this brings them in. It’s bizarre how the left are now avid supporters of the first two.

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