The Evening Standard had a new YouGov London poll today, showing a commanding lead for Sadiq Khan in the mayoral race. First round voting intentions are KHAN 48%, GOLDSMITH 32%, WHITTLE 7%, BERRY 6%, PIDGEON 5%. After reallocating the second preferences of eliminated candidates Sadiq Khan wins by twenty points on the second round. Full tabs are here

The huge Labour lead looks startling, but it is actually broadly in line with YouGov’s national polling. Their last couple of GB polls had Labour and the Conservatives very close in their levels of support, which is the equivalent of a CON=>LAB swing of 3.5% since the general election. Last year Labour outpolled the Conservatives by nine percent in the capital, doing much better there than in the rest of Britain. Add on a national swing of 3.5% to Labour’s 2015 lead in London and you’d expect to find them about 16 points ahead, which is exactly where they are.

The 2016 London mayoral election looks like one of voting along ordinary party lines. The first two directly elected mayors of London were very unusual “showbiz” politicians, widely known by just their first names. Ken Livingstone initially ran an an independent and even after rejoining was clearly always semi-detached from and not reliant upon London Labour. Boris was Boris – the paltry link between his electoral success and that of his nominal party underlined by the voting figures at the last mayoral election. Boris was four points ahead of Ken in the first round of the mayoral vote, but Labour were nine points ahead of the Conservatives in the simultaeneous vote for the London Assembly – a gap of 13 points between their performance in the mayoral vote and the assembly vote.

There is no such gap in this mayoral election. If you compare mayoral voting intentions and London assembly voting intentions this time round there is no significant contrast – Sadiq Khan is 16 points head in the mayoral vote, Labour are 16 points ahead in the London Assembly vote.

If we put aside the personality driven politics of the mayoral election, London is an increasingly Labour city. Labour won hefty victories in every other electoral contest in London in the last Parliament – they won the European election by 14 points, the local elections by 13 points, the London assembly by 9 points, the general election by 9 points. If Zac Goldsmith was to be competitive he needed to appeal to non-Conservative voters, and while he is getting some support from Liberal Democrat and UKIP supporters it really isn’t enough. With only a fortnight to go. Sadiq Khan’s position is looking very comfortable.

379 Responses to “YouGov/Standard London poll gives Khan a commanding lead”

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  1. Of course one of the problems relating to our relationship with the eu is that in the 1970’s the uk was a basket case and Europe was the powerhouse.

    40 years later, the roles are reversed, so why do we need the eu now? We have progressed forwards, they have gone backwards burdened with more and more regulations.

  2. CMJ: “The EU has evolved substantially from the organisation it was when the UK joined. ”

    Yes indeed, and the UK has been behind much of this evolution. We have consistently favoured rapid expansion in membership (largely because we thought it would dilute and slow integration) and remain the only consistent champion of Turkish accession. We (and in particular Thatcher) promoted the Single Market and have pushed hard for deregulation, privatisation etc.

    If we don’t like the direction of travel of the EU, in some respects we have only ourselves to blame.

  3. @Robert Newark

    “Of course one of the problems relating to our relationship with the eu is that in the 1970’s the uk was a basket case”


    Basket case? We did rather well under the circumstances. Given we were hit hard by the oil crisis, like many countries, though we were hit harder than some because at the time were too dependent on oil and we didn’t have much of our own oil at that point, thus we had 25% inflation and throwing us into recession.

    Stagflation, very hard to deal with, since normal measures like stimulating the economy or cutting interest rates make things worse. Nonetheless within three years we got inflation down to 8 percent, deficit coming down, growth back in the economy, and we’d kept much of our industry and many jobs.

    Then as Thatch came to power, the second oil price spike hit…

  4. “The roles are reversed”. Really?
    We have by far the highest current account deficit in history, tanking productivity, miserable growth in earnings, a huge deficit in public finances despite a fire sale of assets and some dodgy accounting, more or less zero growth in GDP per head, a huge ramp up of private debt and a ‘long term economic plan’ which nobody believes and which changes every 5 minutes anyway.
    House prices are on the up and up, I grant you.

  5. Carfrew
    I lived through the 70’s. Inflation only blipped down to 8% for a month just conveniently for the GE. We had to go cap in hand to the IMF. The chancellor was in lala land (crisis, what crisis?) The country was crippled by strikes and Jack Jones, Joe Gormley, Scanlon ran called the shots. Our only car maker of note, British Leyland was constantly made idle by someone called, Red Robbo complaining about tea breaks. And at the end of the decade, even the dead went unburied as rubbish piled up in the streets.

    Don’t believe everything you read on Wikipedia.

    Inflation wasn’t really tamed until after MT came to power and even then it was way higher than today.

  6. @Robert

    I didn’t get it from wiki. Don’t believe the neoliberal slant would be the natural reply. I can and actually have at times quoted a fair amount of data on the matter. And I lived through the seventies too, including working in a factory during the nightmare.

    Sure, the inflation drop was short-lived, because we Immediately had another oil price hike. That was part of my point. A real terms doubling of the price, following the initial quadrupling that began under Heath.

    And to further confound the neoliberal take on things, many other countries suffered stagflation from the second oil price hike. You might want to blame economic policy, but the facts are loads of economies got stung in the same way at the same time.

    The difference was policy: yes there were strikes, which was pretty inevitable given the policy of wage restraint. Wage restraint was a policy that actually worked to bring down inflation without hammering growth, because it both was counter inflationary and reduced costs on business. Whereas interest rate hikes or govt. cuts disadvantaged business.

    The problem is that it was a lot to ask people to put up with when wages being decimated by 25% inflation. When the second price hike happened, unions broke ranks and we had the winter of discontent.

    But, we still saved much of our industry, is the thing. And as a yardstick, we remained above Italy in GDP. We dropped below Italy under Thatch and remained there until the major era, briefly, only cinsistently going above under Blair.

    Thatcher’s remedy, if you look at the data – even higher interest rates and more cuts plus VAT rise in a period inflation, hammered industry reeling from the second spike, because loading extra burden on industry, begot rather sobering results: inflation remaining stubbornly high, deficit fell intitially but then grew again, jobs shed en masse, until the oil price collapsed, rather saving things and leading to a worldwide boom and much mythology.

    Bottom line is strikes were the price paid to save the jobs and industry. Obviously if you lose the industry, you don’t have the strikes. But then you don’t have the industry and you have a load more unemployed. Like, if you cut your itchy leg off, yes, you don’t have to worry about the itch any more, but there’s a bit of a downside…

  7. Carfrew
    I’m not going to get into a tit for tat with you on the 70’s as we clearly differ in our remembrances of the era. We can agree to differ.

    However in your last paragraph you say that strikes save jobs and industry. The best example I can think of, where the exact opposite is the case (and I suggest more likely the norm) were the London Dock strikes against the introduction of containerisation. Such were the success of those strikes, that there are virtually no docking jobs in London anymore. All the business passed to other ports who welcomed containerisation with open arms. Equally, later on the Luddites at Wapping trying to stop the computerisation of the printing industry.

    Actions such as these were what made the UK the sick man of Europe in the 1970’s.

  8. @”Wage restraint was a policy that actually worked ”

    “In reaction to Heath’s Industrial Relations Act, the unions and Labour’s National Executive Committee formed a liaison committee, producing the Social Contract. In exchange for union cooperation on the control of wages and incorporating improved social welfare, Labour promised action on prices and a ‘social wage’. A National Enterprise Board and compulsory planning agreements with private industry were created. The aim was to expand the frontiers of state control. The Minister of Labour, Michael Foot, settled the miners’ strike and went on to represent workers’ interests in parliament.

    The balance of power between the government and the unions in the Social Contract was controversial. It failed to provide a basis for successfully managing the economy. In July 1975, inflation and wages soared, forcing Labour to introduce a formal incomes policy.”

    The National Archives
    The Cabinet Papers 1915 to 1988
    The Miners Strike and the Social Contract

  9. What silly attitudes so many people have. A Pakistani from Glasgow can be a Scottish Asian, but his cousin in Leeds cannot be an English Asian. This bloke must be a British Asian. I would genuinely like one of the many left wingers on this site to explain to me, why they think the word English is so offensive. The flag of St George is a fascist banner, in the view of so many Guardian readers. If we yelled our nationality around like the Scots do, all this would be more understandable, but my God, if ever there was a silent majority, its us.

  10. @Robert Newark
    ‘I lived through the 70’s. Inflation only blipped down to 8% for a month just conveniently for the GE. We had to go cap in hand to the IMF. The chancellor was in lala land (crisis, what crisis?’

    That is nonsense. Throughout 1978 inflation was in single figures – generally in the 7.5% to 9% range. When Thatcher took office at the beginning of May 1979 she inherited inflation at 9.8% – well below the cica 13% inflation which Labour had faced in March 1974 when Wilson took over from Heath. Moreover by Spring 1980 inflation under Thatcher more than doubled to 22%.

  11. @Robert

    It’s normal for peeps not to get into it, the Avalanche of data is too compelling.

    And I didn’t say strikes saved industry, I said they were the price of saving it. Obviously strikes can be deleterious. But you’re ignoring all the contextual info. I gave you. Strikes were a by product of an economic policy that reduced burdens on business at a critical time. Strikes were a consequence, and a deleterious one, but set against the impact of the positive aspects of the policy, it clearly worked in terms of managing inflation and preserving fair amount of business.

    I should add, that many of the strikes in the winter of discontent were public sector so only had an indirect hit on industry. Finally I shall add that sometimes, it was worth relaxing incomes policy for greater overall gains. a classic example was the miner’s strike, whereby giving in and awarding pay rises could be inflationary. However, under these special circumstances of an oil crisis having a coal crisis on top kicked the whole thing into a full blown energy crisis, one reason why we were hit harder than some.

  12. Apologies for being off-topic.

    “Poor people don’t vote” – the explanation Bernie Sanders gave for why he is not winning the Democratic primary contest. has produced stats which show that in America the voting turnout of the richest 10% is twice that of the poorest 10%, and that there is a strong correlation between wealth and voting. Is this true in the UK? If so does it explain why Labour lost?

  13. Well, I lived through the 1970s and what’s more I worked for British Leyland from joining as a graduate trainee in 1970 to taking voluntary redundancy in January 1980. And I had a whale of a time. I loved my work, there was the best ever summer of ’76, I drove my MGB GTV8 to southern Spain and back. The grands prix (James Hunt, Niki Lauda) were the best ever. I bought my first house for £5,200, then a lovely country cottage.

    The three day week? Yes, it was nice to get a few days off. Power cuts? They didn’t amount to much, and the candles were romantic.

    The point is, I simply don’t recognise the gloom-and-doom portrayal of the ’70s. There was a huge amount of exciting stuff going on – Concorde, APT, AGR reactors, the Rover SD1. OK, it didn’t all work out, but this was a country that made stuff and dared to be ambitious. That all faded away in the 80s, when we gave up on the Brunel legacy and decided our future lay in banking. Thanks, Maggie.

  14. @Carfrew
    ‘The problem is that it was a lot to ask people to put up with when wages being decimated by 25% inflation. When the second price hike happened, unions broke ranks and we had the winter of discontent.’
    Inflation peaked at 27% in the second half of 1975 , and as you rightly point out it fell to much lower levels in the late 70s. It is actually a bit of a myth to suggest that the late 70s experienced ongoing industrial strife.The period Spring 1974 – Autumn saw very little in the way of major disputes – an exception being the Firemen’s strike over the Winter of 1977/78. Beyond that there was very little trouble until the Ford strike in Autumn 1978 which was then followed by the Winter of Discontent – but the closing months of his Government have coloured – and seriously distorted – perceptions of Callaghan’s time in office.If people wish to find the real time of ongong industrial turmoil ,they need to look at the early to mid-70s under Ted Heath.

  15. @Colin

    Yes, the unions weren’t fully on board. Quite a big ask given seeing their members suffering 25% inflation hitting their wage packets.

    But in response as you point out the government bore down on wages more and as a result from peak inflation of 25% in 1975 they got it down to 8% while improving the deficit and getting back to growth before the second price spike.

    You’re confirming my point, which makes a change!!…

  16. In my second paragraph , I had intended to say ‘ The period Spring 1974 – Autumn 1978 saw very little in the way of major disputes’.

  17. @Graham

    Yes, the strife picked up markedly again in response to the second price spike, as workers saw their wages diminished by inflation once again.

    And we can’t forget, that with higher interest rates also in this period necessary in helping to bear down on inflation, people weren’t just suffering high prices but high mortgage costs as well.

    An invidious position for governments and unions alike.

  18. @Carfrew
    But the second oil price hike did not happen until 1979 . When Thatcher was elected in May the rate of inflation had not quite returned to double figures. Geoffrey Howe in his first Budget In June 1979 raised VAT from 8% to 15% and forced the nationalized industries to sharply raise their prices. This – together with the second oil price shock – pushed inflation back up to 22% by Spring 1980.
    Back in Autumn 1978 the problem was not so much that inflation had taken off again , but that Callaghan and Healey broke the camel’s back by pushing a 5% pay norm. It was a disastrous misjudgement.

  19. @Graham

    From memory, it began under Labour in the latter part of ’78 and peaked under Thatch, similar to how the first spike began under Heath and peaked under Labour.

  20. @Graham

    Yes, nearly doubling VAT as inflation already soared from oil price hikes hit industry further.

    Regarding Callaghan and Healey, yes, you have a point. While they may have done the right thing economically, politically I’ve argued before now that they should have relaxed policy that winter…

  21. Patrick Hadley

    “Apologies for being off-topic.”

    Your comment was more “on-topic” than arguments over what happened 4 decades ago!

  22. Bloody ‘ell if SNP peeps of all peeps are complaining about being off topic??!!…

    Either it’s a sign of the apocalypse or you just ripped a hole in the fabric of spacetime or summat…

  23. Carfrew

  24. Though not surprised SNP peeps wanna gloss over that period!!!…

  25. The SNP does not like to be reminded how it helped open the door for Thatcher to enter No.10! In the second Referendum Debate at end of August 2014, I could not understand why Alastair Darling failed to bring the point up.

  26. GRAHAM.
    Thank you for the historical accuracy; again!

    The tragedy of 1978 still haunts me; that year I was doing my PGCE in Manchester, and vividly remember the awful weather that winter; January 1979, and the my lecturer, the Father of the man who wrote the script for the Olympic Opening along with Danny Boyle forecast the end of the Labour Party as we knew it.

  27. Carfrew

    Is Patrick Hadley an SNP supporter? I didn’t know that.


    Might have been that Darling had read Callaghan’s own account of that period? If you haven’t, you should do so.

    Just how many voters, in 2016, do you think factor the behaviour of Callaghan, Thatcher, Thorpe or Gordon Wilson into deciding their vote?

  28. @PETE B



    It woz nice of SNP peeps to let us inject some levity into proceedings, whether intentional or otherwise.

    Regarding that era, if we’re doing anecdotes from the era… I was working in a factory in the school hols. The second-in-command took me with him to visit Rolls Royce. I remember standing on a mezzanine thing overlooking the big shop floor, and there was lots of peeps standing around in white coats, while a solitary aircraft engine casing made its lonely way round.

    “This is crazy” I naturally concluded. If I’d been able to vote in ’79, Tories woulda been my preference. And up at Oxford, in the first year for student elections voted for someone I knew who was Tory. Then although doing science, I did some of the PPE economics essays, and concluded two things: that PPE was a lot easier than science, and that there was more to this inflation thing than meets the eye…

    Then after chatting about the nuclear thing, realised I couldn’t vote Labour either. I never did vote in a GE…

  29. @OLDNAT

    “Is Patrick Hadley an SNP supporter? I didn’t know that.”


    Much as I’m sure you’d love to discuss SNP support, you might fry your CPU in some kind of weird paradox thing becuz it’d be off-topic and you know how you have issues with that!!

  30. Meanwhile, for those of us interested in 21st century politics, when 1970s tribalism is long gone –

    BBC2 Scotland (on now) Gary – Tank Commander interviews the Scottish Party Leaders.

  31. @Somerjohn

    “The point is, I simply don’t recognise the gloom-and-doom portrayal of the ’70s”

    Nor I and how could I disagree with a fellow British Leyland graduate trainee, albeit one of a little older vintage than myself! I started in 1977 working in a small components plant in Bordesley Green Birmingham, far too near St Andrews football ground for my liking. British Leyland had just changed its name to BL Cars when I joined and directly employed over 120,000 people right across the UK. It was a wholly nationalised industry then and actually traded in the black in my first year. The Rover SD1 was launched at Solihull in the 70s and won countless awards for design and innovation although the chill wind of Japanese lean manufacturing techniques were starting to make deep inroads into what was quickly becoming an uncompetitive British car industry. That said, the vast automotive conglomeration that started as BMC in the 60s and mutated into BL and various other entities thereafter saved a number of great British car brands from extinction. No Jaguar or Land Rover now had it not been for the state intervention then, although many great names did go to the wall, primarily as a result of appalling short-termist mismanagement, sadly typical of that era in British industry. Incompetent buffoons in boardrooms everywhere, not unlike the Banks in the noughties.

    Wilson inherited the economic legacy from hell in 1974 from Barber and Heath, even worse than the one Maudling bequeathed him and Callaghan in 1964. Reggie had a Liam Byrne moment back then and apologised to Sunny Jim – “Good Luck old cock – sorry to leave it in such a mess” said old Reggie. A gentler political age forbade old Sunny Jim from making too much out of that bit of good natured banter. No Osbornes and Laws back then. Bigger men, methinks, walked our political corridors in those days.

  32. CB11

    “Bigger men, methinks, walked our political corridors in those days.”

    While some obituaries of Victoria Wood apparently concentrated on her being “bigger”, fortunately politics (at least outwith England) in recent times has resulted in women being regarded as “better”.

    In the recent Welsh poll, Leanne Wood has a +16 rating compared with Jones’ +4%. Farage & Gill sharing a UKIP rating of -16%, while Cameron trails far behind on -37%

    Scotland’s endorsement of female leaders is obvious.

    Why do the English seem to be so obsessed with having leaders who happen to have a penis?

    40 years ago, those (now somewhat archaic views) were widely shared, but still? In the 21st century?

  33. ON
    Are you trying to make some sort of joke about Mrs T having a penis?

  34. Pete B

    Nope. I’m suggesting that many of you are having a debate about economic and social issues that are long in the past. As far as I know, your Queen Elizabeth I didn’t have a penis either.

    Despite my dislike of her policies, no sensible student of politics could reasonably suggest that Thatcher was anything other than a “better” politician than her contemporaries.

    Actually, I agree with CB11 that Tory male UK politicians in the past were probably bigger/better in humanitarian terms than the current lot.

    in 1937, the Tory led National Government approved 4,000 Basque refugee children being given refuge in the UK.

    Contrast that with tonight’s vote putting 3,000 refugee children at massively increased risk of exploitation.

  35. Reading the posts tonight is hilarious. Have reached the conclusion that if you want to control Tory governments in the UK, because Labour is too weak and feeble to take power, one should vote for “Remain”, as at least the EU bureaucrats will hold Cameron in check.

  36. Ah yes-74 to 79-that golden era of UK economic wellbeing.

    What a wonderful time to be in work-what with the “going rate” & maintaining your “differentials” and everything. How on earth did the Tories ever win?

  37. @Oldnat,

    I think there’s a difference between refugees travelling direct to the UK from a war zone, as in 1937, and refugees currently living in a safe country who refuse to be registered and given accommodation/support because they think it might hurt their chances of getting in to another safe country.

    The current government is taking several times as many refugees direct from the war zone as the 1937 government did. Presumably this means they are several times better as politicians than the national government?

  38. So we are back to the Left leaning members of this site trying to defend the awful 70s when as Robert says we were the basket case of Europe. It seems nothing changes and lessons have not been learnt. No wonder they want to stay in Europe.

    LOL, off to the allotments highly amused. Have a good day all.

  39. TOH

    The Left wanted nothing to do with EEC back then-one suspects that they haven’t really changed their minds.

    “Labour risks losing a “swathe” of voters to Ukip because of Jeremy Corbyn’s support for the European Union, the party’s former welfare minister has warned.

    Frank Field, the MP for Birkenhead, who is backing the “leave” campaign, will say in a speech today that his party backing the “remain” camp is tantamount to the “second longest suicide note in Labour’s history” – the first being the Left-wing manifesto by former Labour leader Michael Foot which led to the party’s 1983 general election defeat.”


  40. PARTICK HADLEY, that would assume all poor people vote Labour, they don’t

  41. [email protected]
    “Labour risks losing a “swathe” of voters to Ukip because of Jeremy Corbyn’s support for the European Union, the party’s former welfare minister has warned.’

    I think the current Leadership are well aware of that or just very bad at campaigning as it is a very low key effort by the Labour ‘in’ group, virtually invisible infact. Even JC’s speech was lost in the general background noise.
    Always thought Labour were best to stay out of this dog fight and let the conservatives tear themselves apart over it.

  42. Good morning all from a sunny breezy central London. Hope you all had a good weekend. I spent a lovely few days up in Oundle Northamptonshire visiting a old school mate who works for Fairline Yachts and he took me a tour of the factory. Some of the boats they were building are quite impressive. I really am in the wrong job but there is a lot of cash out there when some peeps can spend in excess of £1.5 million in cash for a boat.

    Anyway one can only dream and it’s back to reality.

    Junior doctors start first all-out strike, Conductors’ strike causes rail chaos (Thank goodness I use South west choo-choos) BHS goes into administration and the list goes on.

    What just happened when I was away?

    It’s really not good. If I had an allotment then I think I would go and find some comfort with my carrots and parsnips. ;-)

  43. Oh dear I see some of the peeps on the left are regurgitating the tired old Callaghan thing. Way before my time but I’ve read quite a bit on this and from what I can gather the old bugger was on his last legs and the SNP just accelerated the inevitable.

    I get the impression SNP peeps prefer Labour more than Labour peeps prefer the SNP and Labour have never forgiven the SNP for that heinous 1979 stab in the back…..”There’s been a murder!”

    Get over it…we had 13 year of Blair/Brown and that also ended in a vote of no confidence but this time from the voters.

    Grievance politics….give it rest, this is 2016.

  44. Meanwhile, some actual polling on the issue that dominated the breakfast headlines this morning: the ‘junior’ doctors dispute.

    Ipsos MORI carried out a poll for the BBC, which the Corporation seems rather reticent to carry the results of somewhat strangely.

    Full tables can be found on the Ipsos MORI website:

    A majority still back the junior doctors – 57% according to the headlines (though everything in the tables and graphics indicates it should be 58%).

    This is a fall from when the question has been asked previously – down 8/9% since the beginning of the dispute.

    However, the support for the doctors is more robust than could have been predicted by previous polling. When asked in the past only 44% said they would support an all out strike – in reality the proportion is much higher.

    Those who are very strongly behind the doctors is a high proportion at around the 40%, the other 17/18% tending to support them.

    Opposition for the strike has risen from 15/6% to 26% (again there is an anomaly between the figures they report now for Jan and the ones published at the time).

    However this new level of opposition is much lower than forecast – at the time the dispute started it was reckoned 39% of people would oppose an all out strike.

    In summary the public predicted they would split 39% against and 44% for an all out strike but have actually gone 26% against 57/8% for.

    Support for the doctors is greater than opposition in all age and social class groups and all regions of the country, securing a majority of support in all cases with one exception: the over 65s.

    Here there is something a little odd going on in the numbers. The pollsters carried out a split sample poll. In sample A amongst over 65s 48% supported the strike and 32% opposed. In sample B the result was reversed, with 38% supporting and 52% opposing.

    This undoubtedly points to much more divided opinion in this section of the population, but there’s also the possibility of a quirk in the polling given the small sample size in the subset. Overall it doesn’t significantly affect the headline figures.

    On the other question asked.

    The number blaming government for the dispute is falling (directly in proportion to those who now oppose the strike) down 10% from 64% at the start to 54% now.

    However this has not led to a increase in those who blame the doctors as this has also fallen from 13% to just 8%.

    Rather there seems to be a growing sentiment that both parties share some of the blame, rising from 18% to 35% – though still almost 20% behind the number who hold the government responsible.

    Much will depend on the next two days and how the story plays out, but if the Government was banking on any significant shift in public opinion as the dispute escalated it hasn’t transpired – not even along the lines in which the public themselves previously predicted.


    @” if the Government was banking on any significant shift in public opinion as the dispute escalated it hasn’t transpired ”

    Its early days yet

    First the effects of this strike on patients.
    Second -what do the BMA do next?

  46. I know it is described as an ‘all out strike’, but it is not really one. Junior Doctors are going strike for nine hours on two consecutive days. Their duties are covered by more senior Doctors. Even then hospitals can request that junior doctors return to work if needed.

    They have been clever in keeping most of the public on side and it’s reflected in these latest polls.

  47. NEILJ

    “I know it is described as an ‘all out strike’, but it is not really one”

    That’s of little comfort to the thousands of people who have had their corporations cancelled and it is an all out strike because the docs have said that they would only go back in the case of an extreme emergency.

    Polls will always show high support for striking workers because after all we like to have a pop at our bosses from time to time and as most of us are onions (or is it Indians) rather than chiefs then we tend to be sympathetic to each other, however I suspect public support will fall for the strikers when the NHS itself becomes compromised.

    The government really should push out an aggressive recruitment drive abroad for doctors to come over to England and not be held to ransom by tambourine banging hippies who call themselves doctors.

  48. ‘tambourine banging hippies’ You should take over the negotiations:-)

  49. NEILJ
    ‘tambourine banging hippies’ You should take over the negotiations:-)

    I take the rather unorthodox views on strikes and stuff. It’s probably why my application to work for ACAS was turned down after they read my resume ;-)

  50. “That’s of little comfort to the thousands of people who have had their corporations cancelled”


    Is there no end to what these anti-biz docs will do to stem the march towards privatisation?

    Heartening to hear that SNP types would never moan about the past and actions of Westminster (nor would they relentlessly pick on Labour as Amber could attest…)

    It’s also instructive to note how some peeps like to polarise an economics chat as being about left vs right, and like to just mention difficulties of Seventies without talking about what happened to industry in early eighties and the economic salvation of falling oil prices in the mid-eighties (before going into recession again…)

    To be fair you have to consider all this stuff…

    Also, Dr Phil Hammond of Private Eye whistleblowing fame giving a useful explanation of the junior doctors dispute and how funding of the new seven day thing impacts patient safety.

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