There are two new polls on the EU referendum out tonight – YouGov for the Times and ComRes for the Mail. YouGov have topline figures of REMAIN 37%, LEAVE 38%, DK/WNV 25%; ComRes have topline figures of REMAIN 51%, LEAVE 39%, DK 10%. ComRes was asked Friday to Monday (so started before Cameron’s deal was finalised), YouGov’s poll was asked between Sunday and Tuesday, so was after Cameron’s renegotiation, but straddled Boris Johnson’s endorsement of the Leave campaign.

As we’ve come to expect there’s a sharp difference between the online YouGov poll and the telephone ComRes poll. Online polls on the referendum have tended to show a neck-and-neck race, telephone ones have tended to show a lead for Remain. The level of support for leaving is actually pretty much the same regardless of mode – the difference all seems to be in the proportion who say stay and the proportion who say don’t know (I speculated about that a little last month, here)

Anyway, while the different modes produce different shares, just as interesting is the direction of travel. YouGov’s previous poll was conducted just after the draft renegotiation had been published and showed a significant shift towards leave, giving them a nine point lead. My suspicion then was that it could just be a short-term reflection of the extremely bad press that the deal received in the papers, and that does appear to be the case – the race has tightened right back up again. A fortnight ago YouGov found 22% thought the draft renegotiation was a good deal, 46% a bad deal. That’s now closed to 26% good, and 35% bad. After a blip from the initial bad publicity over the draft deal, the effect according to YouGov seems broadly neutral.

ComRes’s last poll found a similar trend to YouGov – it was conducted after the draft deal had been published, and found a sharp shift towards Leave, with the remain lead dropping by ten points, from eighteen to eight. Today’s poll finds that negative reaction to the draft deal fading a bit now the final deal is done, with the remain lead creeping back up to twelve points. The net effect is still negative, but not by nearly as much as the early polls suggested. ComRes’s specific question on the renegotiation provides a more positive verdict than YouGov’s – among the three-quarters of the sample asked after the deal was struck 46% say it was a success, 39% a failure.

Note that this poll also represents the first outing for some methodology changes from YouGov. Most significantly, they’ve started sampling and weighting by the attention respondents say they pay to politics, have added educational qualifications as a sampling/weighting variable and have shifted up the top age bracket from 60 and over to 65 and over. Also, at the risk of getting very technical, past vote and grouped region are now interlocked (to explain – in the past YouGov weighted everyone’s past vote to match the overall shares of the vote in Great Britain, now they are weighting respondents in London’s past vote to match the shares of the vote in London, respondents in the Midlands’ past vote to match the shares in the Midlands and so on). There isn’t actually much impact on today’s results; the old sampling and weighting would also have shown the race tightening to neck-and-neck. The main difference is that a lot of questions have a higher number of don’t knows, reflecting the higher proportion of respondents who don’t follow politics closely.

Full tables for ComRes are here, for YouGov here.


129 Responses to “New YouGov and ComRes EU polls”

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  1. I always find it staggering how the left side of politics in this country seem to have swung behind the EU on the basis of some sort of progressiveness. I was reading about the €140bn budget and how over 40% is still the CAP. The effect it has on some of the people who have to compete against this, African farmers etc is mind blowing. To think this far in to the EU project, and still nearly half the budget is based around subsidies and guaranteed prices for produce beggars belief.

  2. Both of tonight’s polls are showing a Tory lead of 7%

    YouGov – Con 37 Lab 30 LD 6 UKIP 16

    ComRes Con 38 Lab 31 LD 8 UKIP 12 Grn 3

    I wonder whether Anthony can advise to what effect – if any – the changes in methodology have had on the YouGov figures!

  3. Anthony

    “past vote and grouped region are now interlocked”

    Is that based on what you piloted in Scotland prior to last UK GE?

    Are any other factors also interlocked for the regions – eg SEG?

    If not was that because it was found to add nothing to the accuracy, or wasn’t it tried?

  4. @Rich

    I doubt the majority of the (overwhelmingly urban/suburban) population even know or care that farmers exist. And a similar number neither understand not care to understand money in terms of £m or £b, only £10 or £100 matter.

    Whar many do understand, notwithstanding the blether, is that the EU has guaranteed health & safety rules at work, maximum hours, etc etc. “Red tape” is actaully employee protection. We in the Anglo-Saxon world may not appreciate it, but it’s just as important here as in the Mediterranean nations.

  5. MOG

    “And a similar number neither understand not care to understand money in terms of £m or £b, only £10 or £100 matter.”

    As C Northcote Parkinson wittily described in one of his books, depicting the Board approving a huge extension to the factory on the nod, while arguing vehemently about providing a new bike shed.

  6. It’s beginning to look as though Remain may win. I’m surprised that the Leave side don’t make more of the fact that Cameron even had to ask the EU what he’s allowed to do with the UK’s benefits policy.

  7. Guilty as charged of being partisan, as according to YouGov, I am one of the 86% of Green voters who will opt to “remain” in the EU.

    As someone who lives in a country that has signed 42 bi-lateral and multilateral “free” trade agreements since 1988, I am envious of the 28 member EU trading block that has a multinational Parliament for elected representative oversight, human rights, social safety nets, even a European Court and mechanisms to factor in the environment.

    In contrast our trade agreements have scant to no social safety net and environmental “features” in them. Canada, the US and Mexico negotiated side agreements under NAFTA after the fact, but litigation under the “investor state dispute settlement mechanism”, usually a panel of three “corporate” designates, only looks at whether capital’s right to earn an income has been violated.

    Just how many bi-lateral and multilateral trade agreements has the UK signed since 1973, outside the umbrella of the EU?

    The only real protection that Canadian citizens have is a written constitution, with the addition of a Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that was simultaneously amended and adopted in 1983.

    Unlike all of the EU member states I believe the UK is alone in having no written constitution that lays out fundamental rights and freedoms of its citizens.

    Whatever the “fundamental” flaws in the EU are, I think opting to “leave” is taking huge risks in a world that has completely transformed itself since 1973.

    When I came to Canada, in 1970, I was brought in on an assisted passage as an agricultural labourer, whereas now one has to meet a certain points system to get on the entry list, unless you are able to bring in certain amounts of capital and then you go to the head of the list.

    As I have said, as imperfect as it is, I am envious of what the EU has achieved in so few decades, and think that the economic problems have more to do with the choices made by respective national governments than the EU itself.

    I think this referendum could very well go “leave”, but am heartened to see that so many Conservative voters are currently intending to vote to “remain”.

  8. @MOG
    ““Red tape” is actually employee protection”
    Tell that to the ‘Mediterranean nations and their unemployed.
    Not having a job makes you very safe from hazards at work.
    ” EU has guaranteed health & safety rules at work, maximum hours, etc etc.”
    That means the state has taken on the functions of Trade Unions, with blanket regulations to force bad employers to follow best practice, though some may take their factories elsewhere. Full employment aids local agreements, for then workers will not stay with a bad employer.
    Dangerous conditions are dependent on type of work. No legislation can make working on an oil rig in the North Sea as safe as an office in Leeds, nor can work stop after x hours on board a ship in a storm, while no-one yet proposes a maximum speed limit on Formula 1 racing.

    UK joined the EU in 1973.
    The UK Health and Safety at Work Act was passed in 1974
    The EU Framework Directive (1989/391/EEC) took a further 15 years to establish.
    To imagine that employee safety cannot be improved by national laws and good employer/employee relations is nonsense. What really matters is not what the law states, but whether good practice is followed. Compensation and penalties are no real substitute for death or injury.

  9. MOG

    @” “Red tape” is actaully employee protection. We in the Anglo-Saxon world may not appreciate it, but it’s just as important here as in the Mediterranean nations.”

    Is this the” Red Tape ” which , according to OECD is France’s major weakness, causing such rigidity in its labour market;?-the Labour Market which Valls & Macron are now trying to free up?

    Is this the “Red Tape” which the government of Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi is trying to unwind in his signature employment reforms which he says are already rousing a sclerotic labour market despite fierce resistance from trade unions.?

    and is the “Anglo Saxon” model , which has so spectacularly facilitated post recession workforce retention, and jobs rich recovery , the sort of thing those two governments are trying to copy perhaps ?

  10. I followed OldNat’s link to the tables for ComRes (thanks, ON).

    Was slightly surprised that more Remainers described themselves as ‘passionate’ or ‘very passionate’ about Britain’s membership of the EU. Seems to me to augur well for the Remain vote.

    I was also interested to note how little support there was for the concept of representative democracy (a large majority thinks MPs should campaign on the basis of the views of their constituents). Most also stated that members of the government should have been free to speak out against the deal or the idea of a deal while negotiations were still in progress… and yet we’re always being told that the electorate likes united parties and governments. Perhaps the reasoning is that it would have strengthened Cameron’s hand to have a whole lot of government ministers laying down red lines and minimum demands?

    Haven’t looked at YouGov tables yet as it’s high time I got on with some work.

  11. Colin

    A lot of French unemployment is down to much higher productivity.

    To give an example, in this country we talk about driverless tube trains. In many French cities I’ve been to, such as Lille and Toulouse, driverless and unstaffed metro trains already exist.

    A lot of the sluggishness is also down to the French reluctance to take on large personal debts.

    French and UK GDP/Capita is roughly identical. It is just horses for courses.

  12. @Rich – “To think this far in to the EU project, and still nearly half the budget is based around subsidies and guaranteed prices for produce beggars belief.”

    I think this is the greatest folly of the EU. Done for historic reasons after WW2, the notion of massive state support for agriculture is so ingrained into EU thinking that it will be almost impossible to reform completely, although the situation is a little better than previously.

    [Worth noting that the CAP no longer provides price guarantees though – the support is mainly in the form of a complex single area payment, along with what are effectively grants for planting specific crops or undertaking various activites].

    Also interesting that agriculture and fisheries are two areas where membership of EFTA outside the EU allows states to set their own rules.

    @MOG – also interesting to note that UK farmers complain bitterly that here in Britain farmers have to meet higher standards of animal welfare, based on UK law, than the rest of the EU.

    As @Dave points out, health and safety, as well as a slew of anti discrimination legilslation, along with animal welfare, arrived at Westminster decades before Brussels ever came close to doing anything.

    There are other areas where I worry about leaving the EU, such as employment rights, but to be even handed about such matters requires that supporters of the EU recognise that there are many areas where the UK has historically outpaced Europe on reforms, alongside others where we have lagged.

    [Interestingly, if you want some history, the Factories Act of 1847 was the first modern legislation in the world to legislate on working hours, and the Alkali Act of 1863 is generally taken to be the world’s first formal environmental protection statute.

    While I think it is wise to always be prepared to learn from others, to characterize the European community as leading the UK by the nose to better working and environmental standards is historically inaccurate. All it has done is to enable UK’s generally very high standards to be adopted with less anti competitive impacts compared to our continental neighbours.]

  13. @Hawthorn – “A lot of French unemployment is down to much higher productivity.”

    That’s very true, but separating cause and effect is needed. French firms invest much more than UK firms because labour is so expensive and inflexible, while in the UK cheap labour undercuts the need for technical innovation in many industries.

    There are pros and cons of both approaches, but combining both in some way would be the best answer, in my view.

    I don’t think keeping labour cheap is the best approach, but a flexible labour force combined with strong incentives to invest might get us somewhere. The key difficulty is that labour needs some leverage to negotiate a better share of the increased profits as the investment benefits flow, which is where unions used to come into the picture.

    If firms are encouraged to invest, workers remain flexible, but still receive a fair share of the enhanced returns, we would have a mid channel system that encapsulates the best of both worlds.

    Don’t ask me how on earth we engineer that though.

  14. Alec

    Agreed about cause and effect. However, I see high productivity as a good in itself as it reduces the need for pointless Sisyphean toil.

    I have also seen the exact opposite in India which really has to be seen to be believed.

  15. @Hawthorn – very much agree. Productivity concentrates the benefits amongst a smaller group, so the key is to establish effective distributive mechanisms to spread the benefits.

    It’s a bit like the ‘pensions crisis’ we keep being told about. Number of pensioners rising by 1.5%, economy growing by 2.5%, therefore no crisis, so long as there is a suitable transfer mechanism in place.

    As with most things, having the very wealthy capturing an ever increasing proportion of output and wealth is the problem that really needs fixing.

  16. Alec

    As with most things, having the very wealthy capturing an ever increasing proportion of output and wealth is the problem that really needs fixing.

    India is like that with bells on. I can’t help wondering if their recent rise has been down to a near doubling of their population since 1980.

  17. To elaborate further, low productivity allows a wide income disparity. The reason so many Indians earn so little is because although they work hard, their actual output is negligible.

    To give an example, in Mumbai there are many advertisements alongside railway tracks (on walls etc). They are all individually hand painted by slum dwellers.

  18. @andy shamrock “Just how many bi-lateral and multilateral trade agreements has the UK signed since 1973, outside the umbrella of the EU?”

    Zero is the answer and for good reason…we are not allowed to enter into any such trade agreements as these are the preserve of the European Commission alongside many other areas like energy policy, industrial policy, environment policy, employment policy etc

    @alec Blair gave up a large chunk on the rebate on the verbal agreement with President Chirac that the CAP was to be reformed by 2014. I bet the French delegation laughed all the way home to Paris about that one.

  19. @Sea Change

    – “….as these are the preserve of the European Commission alongside many other areas like energy policy, industrial policy, environment policy, employment policy……”

    Have to take energy out of there, at least. Aside from meeting states aid de minimis rules, and various quite reasonable environmental directives, we are completely free to manage our energy policy. In the UK, successive governments have chosen to use this freedom to not have an energy policy. This is why the lights will be going out before very long.

    Acid rain was a very major European environmental and health issue when I was young, but thanks to a 1988 EU Directive and subsequent developments, the EU has been instrumental in largely mitigating this issue.

    It could have been agreed outwith the EU structures, but having one bloc negotiate globally and regionally helped, and this must go down as one of the EU’s big success stories.

  20. Does anyone know what proportion of telephone poll responses are from landline and mobile phones respectively?

  21. The European Commission tried a power grab after the Lisbon Treaty, but in the areas I am aware of the individual states managed to foil them.

    They are every bit as high handed and arrogant as people make out. However, the big limit on EC power is that it is a tiny organisation with limited resources to actually take over the stuff they want to.

  22. @alec Yes we do have a wider ability to act unilaterally with Energy than in the other areas but that is only because of the limited resources the Commission has as @Hawthorn states.

    Energy was given up officially in the Lisbon Treaty and you can see the commissions stated goals for it here
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_policy_of_the_European_Union

    The commission has legislated extensively in this area and we are obliged to follow those directives.

  23. AW and Stefan Shakespeare’s analysis in the Times today, on page 9!! Woohoo!!…

  24. Please, don’t tell me that we have two opinion polls taken simultaneously giving more or less the same VI figures. I can’t quite handle this and may develop a convergence complex as a result. I’d got used to one poll giving a 14% Tory lead sitting alongside one showing a 6% lead and I’m now somewhat disorientated. At least we have the reassuring sight of the EU polls showing wildly divergent responses. Normal service and all that.

    With the shed-load of caveats that always seem to go with the polls these days, and the methodological explanations that accompany them notwithstanding, it seems that the two VI polls published today underpin others pointing to a 6-8% Tory lead. The double digit leads that occasionally pop up look like outliers but, in these febrile psephological days, who knows, I suppose.

    However, if the 6-8% figure is more or less an accurate picture of the current political situation,, then while they’re not great for Corbyn and Labour, I’m loathe to enter the calamity and disaster school of thought quite yet. Tony Blair is the latest to say that Labour “should be ahead in the polls” and many other observers, genuine and disingenuous, have offered this view too. I’m puzzled by this assertion, to be honest. What set of political and economic circumstances are currently applying that suggest that a recently badly beaten opposition party should be ahead of the governing party only 9 months after they were elected with their first overall majority for 23 years?

    The polls suggest that the Tories are more or less where they were last May, Labour slightly up and all the others more or less as they were at the GE. Why is anyone expecting anything else 9 months into this Parliament? Pretty predictable polls, I would say, and nothing suggesting that Corbyn’s Labour are melting down at all.

  25. “What set of political and economic circumstances are currently applying that suggest that a recently badly beaten opposition party should be ahead of the governing party only 9 months after they were elected with their first overall majority for 23 years?”

    ———-

    In light of this, the Times today has a headline on page two saying how the “Recovery boosts household spending”.

    (WARNING… Boomers still labouring under the impression that they have in fact been cruelly deprived by policy over the years – full employment, cheaper utilities, housing, better pensions etc. – compared to the young may wish to skip what follows)

    This is using ONS stats. However… “Incomes of retired people are growing at an even faster rate – the typical incomes of retired households rose by almost 8 percent, or by £1,500.”

    “However, in other households where people are of working age, incomes have not fully recovered from the downturn and are still £900 below the level seen in 2007-08.”

    A tale of two recoveries…

  26. @Alec & Hawthorn

    You could perhaps argue that part of the difference as well is that the French welfare system hasn’t suffered so much there’s less incentive for people to leap out at the first low-paying job that flies through the window rather than holding on for something better that suits their skills – hence some of the disparity between the employment figures.

  27. @AU

    Oh, do they not do so much of the wondrous zero hour thing in Frenchland? Another reason for the younger to wanna stay in the EU…

  28. HAWTHORN

    @”A lot of the sluggishness is also down to the French reluctance to take on large personal debts.”

    Macron & Valls think that it is rigid labour laws which militate against hiring & discourage investment :-

    “A draft bill to loosen rigid French labour law that has infuriated trade unions and left-wing lawmakers will be open to parliamentary amendment but will go ahead, Socialist Prime Minister Manuel Valls said on Tuesday.

    The bill published last week would make layoffs easier, cap compensation for economic redundancies and allow company-level negotiations on reducing overtime pay.

    “I’ll go through with it to the end,” Valls said on RTL radio in response to a business owner, who said he would immediately hire 47 additional staff for his tourism company if he was sure the law would enter into force, supporting Valls’ contention that companies will recruit more staff if they can make layoffs more easily.”

    Reuters

    23 Feb 2016

  29. Neck and neck polls are spooking someone, pound is falling, down to 1.39 vs dollar, closing on the 1.36 low point from the 2008 credit crunch, and then you’ve got to go all the way back to Mrs T for a lower price.

    30 yr record low is a good headline to help make the scary exit story argument on behalf of remain – weak pound, expensive imports poor balance of payments deficit etc.

  30. @Carfew

    “A tale of two recoveries…”

    Indeed, and guess which demographic group vote in the biggest numbers.

    Therein lies the secret to successful policy making; success being defined as what’s more likely to get you elected.

    Under the current electoral system, and anticipating the forthcoming boundary changes and new voter registration process, it’s still vaguely possible to see the Tories losing in 2020, but Corbyn is going to have to herd an awful lot of very disobedient cats if he’s to form an electoral alliance that can do it.

  31. CROSS BAT 11
    Hello to you from a sunny seaside in Bournemouth East!

    It is well worth reading YG polling on what activists want in comparison with ‘Labour voters’ and with voters whom Labour needs to attract

    So many of the latter two categories are disobedient cats, literally, since obedience means listening, I think, in Latin. They are not listening, IMO, and Cameron’s attack on the Leader of the Opposition dress code would have struck home; IMO

  32. @Alec!!!

    And any other greenies!! (Even those who think heaven is scavenging around Sourceforge and compiling own code!!…)

    “sun is setting on big power stations, say the generators”

    Energy UK, representing quite a few big generators, like British Gas, E.on, RWE and the National Grid, said that “the era of building giant power plants… was coming to a close”.

    “Instead the British Energy market is shifting to a new model, in which small scale electricity generation via rooftop solar panels and wind turbines will become increasingly important in meeting demand…”

    Seems that this change is being driven by improved solar panels and battery storage. And there’ll also be more importing leccy…

    Seems like this is the future in the next fifteen years or so.

    Meanwhile, in another article, They’re considering mothballing Drax…

  33. @CHRISLANE1945

    “Hello to you from a sunny seaside in Bournemouth East!”

    ———-

    You don’t seem to mention jogging so much these days. Hope all’s well with the jogging…

  34. Britain Elects [email protected] 25m25 minutes ago
    Westminster voting intention:
    CON: 38% (+1)
    LAB: 30% (-)
    UKIP: 16% (+1)
    GRN: 5% (+1)
    LDEM: 5% (-2)
    (via BMG / 17 – 23 Feb)

  35. CARFREW.
    Yes, thanks; ten mile run on Sunday by the sea; looking over the horizon at Europe.

    More time now to contemplate political change, watch the borders and wonder why Labour got rid of their leader in 2007 after Tom Watson’s move
    Three times a winner, In think.

    BTW: that 5% for the LD’s looks high, to me. IMO of course.

  36. PoliticsHome [email protected] 44s44 seconds ago
    Boundary review: England to lose 32 seats, Wales to lose 11, Scotland 6 +Northern Ireland 1 http://bit.ly/24pddU5

  37. @Chrislane

    This is excellent news. I was thinking given the increasing decentralisation of energy generation we could put joggers on tread wheels to generate more leccy and contribute to the national weal. They could start by installing these generators at gyms but don’t see why peeps at the seaside should be left out.

    (In the long term we can probably harness the energy from key presses when peeps post online…)

    Do you think Blair, already wounded by the war thing, would have survived the financial meltdown?

  38. Donald Tusk disagrees with Gove.

  39. I am a lot less sure that the seat reduction will happen now.

    If the Tories start tearing each other apart, there are bound to be MPs who are not keen to play musical chairs; the Government’s majority in 2015 was only 12. Cameron’s power of patronage to buy off recalcitrant MPs will probably also be lower from now on.

    Of course, that could lead to the 2020 election happening on 2010 boundaries.

  40. @ChrisLane1945

    Thanks for the Britain Elects poll. That’s three virtually identical polls now, all landing on the same day. YouGov, ComRes and now Britain Elects. Much more of this and my convergence complex will border on paranoia. Do you think they’re getting it right? I’m starting to go weak at the knees at the very thought of it.

    While I share some of your admiration for Tony Blair, I think you need to let go. That boat sailed long ago and 2007 was then, this is now. That doesn’t mean I think Corbyn was the right choice as Labour leader, but, as often happens when a party has been in government for a long time under an electorally successful and strong leader, Labour has been fatally hollowed out of politicians with heft and charisma. I don’t think Corbyn was the answer to that question, by the way, but it’s difficult to know who was when you looked at his rivals for the leadership. Would Labour be doing any better now with Cooper or Burnham as leader?

    Labour may well have to skip a generation with the next leader and he or she may well be someone who isn’t even a member of this Parliament. As I’ve said before, it will be a long and winding road to salvation and, when we look back at it all, sitting in our bath chairs in years to come, Corbyn’s leadership may be just an interesting and bizarre footnote in the odyssey.

  41. JMR

    Falling FX rates also lead to cheaper exports, more incentive for import substitution, more tourist visits to UK etc so not necessarily a bad thing. This won’t get reported properly though and the headlines will bolster the project fear and probably therefore the remain numbers in the polls.

  42. People are completely unreliable. Look at the VI figures and this YouGov poll.

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/23/british-people-view-socialism-more-favourably-capi/

  43. Boris is now favourite to become the next Conservative leader, with Gove and Patel also shortening.

  44. @Carfrew – interesting that the Big Six have finally come round to agreeing with what the Greenies have been saying for the last couple of decades.

    I expect we will be seeing digital technology combine with new power generation and storage systems, and environmental pressures, to end up at a completely different energy market in the near future.

    We already have Smart metering technology, and we also have proven pilot studies where this is combined with differential prices with customers being informed by text of the prices 24 hours ahead, once weather forecasts can predict renewable output to a very high accuracy. The ability to adapt usage patterns to high/low supply periods is tremendously helpful.

    Aggregation of small units (eg individual houses in a town or village) into demand management clusters can avoid households on rigid timetables who need power at peak times being penalised, with the savings shared. Reducing peak demand is of huge significance in overall supply costs as well, so helps everyone.

    Demand shifting can be done automatically for fridges and freezers, and the advent of widespread use of electric cars will give the ability to soak up off peak demand to create a more stable demand profile (better for generators and the national grid) while also offering potential for consumers to sell back power at peak times.

    Then we get onto giant capacitors to store demand, or compressed air generators to use wind energy at slack demand periods and run generators at peak.

    It really is all go in the energy markets in terms of circumstance and technology coming together to provide some great opportunities.

    And to think that some anti Green duffers used to tell us that the grid could only take 20% from renewables before it became unstable.

  45. As Cameron’s paltry concessions amount to no transfer back of sovereignty and any reduction in benefits requires the EU’s approval, I find it hard to see what positive spin can be put on this so-called deal.

    Moreover, it is not legally binding. Shulz has already threatened to block it, as have other EU states. The European courts will also have the power to defeat it. And they’d still need a treaty change – for which no date is even set!

    If the Eurosceptic British people begin to understand this, and that the deal will have absolutely no effect on mass immigration, the polls could be very different, even if Cameron will war of plagues, floods and war if we dare to vote out.

  46. @ANDY SHADRACK

    If you were really “green” you would vote against EU membership.

    EU fish stocks – destroyed
    Biofuel targets that the EU refused to reduce caused the destruction of vast tracts of Indonesian rainforest
    CO2 targets – fleeced by simply moving factories out of the EU
    TTIP – which you will be able to do nothing to revoke once in will ensure GM crops are grown

    Nothing about the corporatist commission is green – and they have all the power.

  47. @Emily

    You may want to read this site’s comments policy ‘re partisan comments and use btl opportunities at newspapers etc.

  48. @LASZLO

    “People are completely unreliable.”

    ———-

    I thought we had already established this? My recent posts on the rear windscreen fiasco – following the occasional series on boomers at gigs, the despair-inducing storage policy, absence of attention to Thorium etc. etc. – is but the latest in a long line of all-too-familiar snafus typical of the human race.

    And the unreliability of folk is a major lesson of polling…

  49. @LASZLO
    “People are completely unreliable.”

    ———-

    I thought we had already established this? My recent posts on the rear windscreen fiasco – following the occasional series on boomers at gigs, the despair-inducing storage policy, absence of attention to Thorium etc. etc. – is but the latest in a long line of all-too-famil1ar snafus typical of the human race.
    And the unreliability of folk is a major lesson of polling…

  50. @Hireton

    Are you in the habit of admonishing Indy peeps for being partisan?

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