Tonight’s YouGov poll for the Sun has topline figures of CON 35%, LAB 37%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%. Another two point lead, but it comes after a five point lead yesterday so it could still easily be margin of error.

There’s been a couple of other YouGov polls in the last day or two that I meant to post on but haven’t had the time. First there are the latest Welsh voting intentions for ITV and Roger Scully at Cardiff University. Topline figures there are:

Wales Westminster: CON 25%, LAB 41%, LDEM 5%, PLAID 11%, UKIP 14%
Welsh Assembly constituency: CON 21%, LAB 37%, LDEM 5%, PLAID 20%, UKIP 13%
Welsh Assembly regional: CON 21%, LAB 34%, LDEM 5%, PLAID 18%, UKIP 16%

If these figures were repeated at a Welsh Assembly election then Labour would remain just short of a majority on 29 seats, but UKIP would break through with 8 seats and the Lib Dems would be reduced to just 1. Note that the YouGov Welsh weightings have been updated for this poll (detailled here) so I haven’t done changes since last month.

Secondly there was a new Scottish referendum poll for the Times. Topline figures there were YES 35%(-1), NO 54%(+1). Without don’t knows, it becomes YES 39%(-1), NO 61%(+1). That means the last two YouGov Scottish polls have shown a slight movement to NO, but as it has been for the whole campaign, the movements are tiny and barely distinguishable from normal sample error. Other recent Scottish polls have shown movement in the other direction, so I’m still not convincted there is any real movement either way.

There has been some minor movement on the economic questions – by 49%(+4) to 27%(-3) people think Scotland would be worse off economically if it became independent, by 43%(+4) to 17%(-2) they think they personally would be worse off. The changes are since March, and suggests the economic argument may be moving away from the Yes campaign.

While we’re on the subject of Scottish polling, Peter Kellner had a lengthy article looking at a potential cause of the differences between polls here – specifically looking at the recalled Scottish European vote in polls following the European election and the different approaches to weighting by Holyrood past vote. It’s something I may return to in another post if I get time, but worth reading Peter’s take now (UPDATE: And Survation’s take here)

191 Responses to “YouGov/Sun – CON 35, LAB 37, LD 8, UKIP 12”

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  1. May convince the legion of (Plaid) posters in denial about UKIP’s appeal in Wales …

  2. UKIP on 12,11, 12 so far this week, last week they were on 13-15% so it definitely looks like Cameron has started to pop that UKIP bubble with the developments of last week.

    Still to be seen clearly who benefits from that, but it looks likely to be the Tories who seem to be up a similar percentage.

  3. Anyway, why are we talking about the greens when the Tories are surging back!!

  4. @Richard

    Not sure it is so much Cameron bursting the UKIP bubble as UKIP’s media coverage drying up and people looking towards the GE more. I’m sure they will get another period of intense media coverage before next year but obviously during the GE themselves they won’t be the main story, and if as expected they aren’t classed as a ‘major party’ by OfCom they’ll struggle for TV time.

  5. @Rich

    Because the Greens are developing as the UKIP of the left and that is starting to reduce the Labour lead. Labour shifted to the right in the last few weeks – speeches against immigration and the young. Unfortunately the headlines don’t show the Green vote, but if you look at Labour vs Green there is definitely some movement from Labour to Green, possibly 2010 Lib Dem voters who are shifting from Labour to Green.

    Labour seem to have gone into a panic after the recent crossover, and are now making sure they lose next year.

    I agree with RICHARD.

  7. Let’s have the alternative narrative, shall we? The Greens are stagnating on 5% after their brief rise to 7/8% around the European election. Labour’s fairly detailed policies on youth employment and training were spun as “MILIBAND KICKS POOR” causing some on the left with rather too sensitive leg muscles to jerk their knees and claim a move to the right which isn’t there.

    The “Big Story” is Labour’s great panic (not the picture on the ground but never mind), but the Tory leader has just failed in one of his great causes over Europe, the Lib Dem leader just survived a coup attempt and Labour are still on course to win next year. As they have been since 2012.

  8. Our friend Mr Kellner seems pretty sure about the result of the Scottish Independence Referendum by the look of it. This is the conclusion he draws in his article today: –

    “A number of recent polls have produced widely-reported stories that the contest is close. They are wrong. It isn’t. The No campaign is well ahead. Its lead has held up for some months. Unless things change markedly in the next eleven weeks, Scotland will vote to remain in the United Kingdom, and by a decisive enough margin to settle the matter for many years to come.”

    Ouch; not much ambivalence there.

    As for tonight’s YouGov, another 35% for the Tories suggests that they’ve had some sort of bounce although, as usual, it doesn’t seem to have come at the expense of the Labour vote. Maybe Cameron’s stance on Juncker has whistled a few Kippers home, although it’s interesting to see how the UKIP vote refuses to subside significantly. They’ve been in this 10-14% zone for 18 months or more now and their support has taken on a resilience not often associated with single issue protest parties.

    I tend to agree with Jack Sheldon that the recent lack of publicity for UKIP, certainly compared to the heady and intoxicating days of May, might have dented them a little but 12% and a 4% lead over the Lib Dems is the sort of “slump” that Farage can easily live with, I suspect!


    I agree with MRNAMELESS.

  10. @Crossbat11

    UKIP poll resilience isn’t so surprising given the strong anti-politics (and thus anti-CON, LD and LAB) feelings of many of their supporters. The assumption that they are right-wing Tories to be lured back after mid-term has proved, predictably, to be a long way wide of the mark.

    What will be more interesting is whether their vote holds up in FPTP contests that they don’t have much chance of winning. They might then split off into voting Tory because they think they’re marginally stronger than LAB on issues they’re interested on, or LAB because they want to kick out the government. We might not know this until the last weeks before the GE.

  11. Cameron gets a small boost after his Charge Of The Light Brigade moment in Europe. The same thing happened when he made a big deal about using his veto. The trouble for him is that the boost doesn’t last very long. Unless he can engineers another spat to coincide with the GE it’s not going to help him.

  12. @Mr Nameless

    I think the narrative for sometime has been that the big two are both struggling to get any real traction.

    I don’t think the public are particularly taken with any party at the moment, as a party of effective Government to make a positive change.

    Labour are doing better than the Conservatives, but that is like beating Quasimodo in a beauty contest.

  13. I agree with CATMANJEFF.

  14. Crossbat11,

    It’s certainly an interesting poll. The Aye campaign really have to hope for a miracle, especially if they want a big mandate for a new state.

    Looking at the crossbreaks of that poll, one problem for the Aye campaign is that they’ve failed to make any headway with the 1/5th of the Scottish population intended to vote Conservative or UKIP. Of course, that’s unsurprising given that the Yes Scotland campaign has been avowedly left-wing and arguments like “vote the Tories out forever” are hardly going to win over Scottish Tory voters. That wouldn’t necessarily hurt them if they’d managed to win over the Scottish left, but the Aye campaign seems to have failed there as well.

    One interesting question is: will they ever get such a good opportunity? When will be the next time that there is a Tory-led government in Westminster, a period of public expenditure restraint, considerable remaining oil supplies, a great politician like Salmond leading the campaign, and a remaining older segment of the population who still remembers Thatcherism and the “difficult years” of British identity? Never again, I’d imagine.

  15. The difficulty for Cameron seems to be that when he gets a boost in the polls it’s around the issue of Europe and this is the last thing that he needs to bring to the attention of the electorate – firstly because it’s his party ‘banging on about Europe’ again and secondly because eventually it will play for UKIP. He needs a boost for something different – apologizing for something seems to be his speciality so he needs something, other than Europe, to be sorry for…..?

  16. @Bill,

    I absolutely agree. I don’t think the game is up just yet for September. But I do think a “No” in September would put the skids under the Independence movement for a very long time, possibly forever (although of course in human affairs there’s no such thing as forever – all European politics is barely a blink in the eye of a Pharaonic Egypt or an Imperial China, and even those were but temporary edifices in the end).

    I do hope we can jolt the English into enthusiasm for a proper constitutional settlement though. Federalism or something like it. We need to be on the same page as you Scots, even if we write different things on the page.

  17. @Maura,

    I think the Tories probably see it slightly differently. I think they expect to get a modest boost in the run up to the GE, if the economics still looks reasonably positive and Miliband still doesn’t seem to gel with the voters. The trick is to stay on Labour’s shoulder round that final bend so there isn’t too much to do on the home straight. Anything that blips them back into contention and prevents a solid and permanent-looking Labour advantage will do, even if it is Europe.

    Of course, they’d love to find an issue that they could score points on which isn’t also going to keep UKIP’s salience going, but I don’t think there are any (other than economics). It’s a dangerous game, trying to wrestle the EU and Immigration cards out of Farage’s hands. But as the saying almost goes, “It may be the only game in town”.

  18. Some Labourites are far too quick to start shouting about the end of the world.

    Firstly, forget the Greens. They won’t get 5% next year. I’m a party member, so trust me on this. As has been pointed out already, Greens are now seriously ambivalent towards Lib Dems, Green candidates will still be thin on the ground, and the bulk of Green support will home with Labour.

    Secondly, don’t assume the economy is doing it. There continues to be a twin track message, with an economy expanding, very optimistic trade surveys, strong evidence that these trade surveys are too optimistic, and strong evidence that household finances continue to weaken.

    I don’t think we’ll see anything very dramatic on the economy in the next 9 months or so. Things will edge upwards, but it won’t feel great, and I think that assuming 2015 will look markedly different to the last year or so would be a mistake.

  19. A bit of an infuriating day in the media, from a professional perspective. All sorts of guff being spouted about historic child abuse and FGM. I sometimes wonder what the f*** the political classes think I’ve been doing my whole career (yes, yes, I know, they don’t even know I exist, but it’s how I feel).

    “Something must be done”. Well, quite. Which is why we’ve being doing it, as best we can, in a complex world that doesn’t work quite as select committees and journalists seem to think it does.

  20. @Neil A

    I think it’s a tactical error on the Tory part. Although there clearly are issues which intrinsically matter to voters politicians and the media also create issues, or at least move them up the agenda. A few months ago Europe scored much lower on a scale of electoral concerns but the European elections inevitably lifted it and, in the process, lifted the fortunes of UKIP. I believe Cameron’s recent junket in Europe (if we can term it that) has put more focus on the issue and, although he couldn’t avoid the Euro election publicity, he could have played his cards differently recently.
    I think it’s ‘short termism’ and will backfire on him.

  21. @NEIL A

    “I think the Tories probably see it slightly differently. I think they expect to get a modest boost in the run up to the GE, if the economics still looks reasonably positive…”


    Something to consider, is whether the economy doing well might actually at times be a negative. ‘Cos if there’s growth and it isn’t sufficiently trickling down, then the conclusion may well be that “someone’s getting rich, but that someone isn’t me”. Which may well not happinate…

  22. @Carfrew,

    Perhaps, but I’ve also felt that the optimum for the Tories is “Improvement, but not runaway success”. Enough positive news to make it seem that their “plan” is working (where have we heard that before?) but not so much that people think, “Great, problem solved, let’s get Labour in to start dishing out cash to the public services again”.

  23. I’ve just been looking at old polls, and the period which most seems to resemble current Labour/Tory polling is in the lead up to the 2005 election.

    Stable polling, slight Labour lead for most of it, moment of ‘crossover’, back to slight Labour lead… 35% final vote share = 66 seat majority.

    Labour really need to do very, very badly to lose in 2015.

  24. @Maura,

    It’s certainly risky, but in the constraints of their “austerity agenda” there isn’t very much that the Tories can wave at the public to win them over. Would they rather the fight be on European policy / Immigration, or on Health? Education? Police numbers?

    The only other area, other than economics, where they have strength is on welfare policy, and that is one of those areas AW has identified where having a higher rating than your opponent doesn’t help you if in the long run the policy creates a negative aura (in this case the whole heartless Toff, “Nasty Party” thing).

    I don’t think they plan to try and win the GE on the EU and immigration. They very clearly plan to run their campaign on a “let us finish the job of fixing the economy” ticket. I think they plan to try and enter 2015 within 2-3% of Labour, and to do so with whatever means become available.

    As an aside, I see that we are drifting towards what is becoming a bit of a mini-General Strike on 10th July. That’s another thing that, perhaps counter-intuitively, can play into the Tories’ hands. Trade Union militancy hasn’t been a particular factor for quite a few years, but in the “good/bad old days” it was a major arrow in the Tory quiver.

  25. @Neil A

    Well there’s already improvement, quite a bit, with polling on the economy. The problem is that as FV points out, you’re not seeing the same improvement on the household finances front.

    The economy could continue to grow, and economy polling improve, but if people don’t experience a wage benefit, then someone else is getting rich not them. And even if wages do rise, no use if bills rise faster, and voters have to watch the one percent or whoever hoovering up the growth. Which is liable to make you feel worse than if we were all in the same boat together…

  26. “UKIP on 12,11, 12 so far this week, last week they were on 13-15% so it definitely looks like Cameron has started to pop that UKIP bubble with the developments of last week.”

    UKIP did well with one of the telephone polls a few days ago, which put them on 18% IIRC.

  27. @DrMibbles,

    Perhaps, and I do think that a 35% share, smallish Labour majority are favourite for next year, but the government/opposition dynamics are reversed this time so I’m not sure it will quite play out like 2005.

  28. @Carfrew,

    I actually believe that more votes are swung by perceptions of how well “the country” is doing than by personal finances. Again, counter-intuitive, but I don’t think that many people make a direct causal link between their personal prospects and government policy. If they read about 500,000 new jobs being created (or whatever) they feel more positive about their own prospects even if the reality is that none of those new jobs come to them.

  29. @Neil A

    I mean, I recall you saying you were personally down 15% in real terms since the coalition. And maybe you don’t mind seeing the better off do well out of the growth while you are more excluded. But maybe not everyone feels that way. Maybe there should be a polling question on it.

  30. Of course, the real growth figure (adjusted for population size) is flat as a pancake. I personally don’t want to see growth generated entirely by housing and providing for 200,000 new immigrants every year. I’ve just learned that a field near my house is about to be lost to 86 new homes. Badly needed of course, but still galling and I’d much rather they weren’t needed.

  31. I believe and Tories along with Carney and the Bank of England will continue to pump the housing bubble for another year. They’re up 25% up in the past year alone in London and 10% in many other areas in the south AND now the north if looking at Nationwide, Halifax and Land Registry figures.

    They’ll happily go for another 25% in London and 10% elsewhere to win. A foolish and incredibly reckless move but what’s a 50% rise in 2 years if it wins the election? Will it all collapse before the election though? We know 25% in a year is not sustainable but seem to have learnt little from pre 2008.

  32. Pigs ear of that post. Poor editing.

    *I believe the Tories along with Carney*

  33. @Neil A

    Well, I’m just advancing a possibility: unless the gurus can show otherwise we don’t have direct polling on the matter of how much store people put on the economy vs. personal finances, or on how folk may feel about unequal benefits from growth.

    However, the economy’s been growing a while, and little VI benefit for coalition…

  34. @Neil A

    Yes, you have a point about the growth per capita thing. Can be handy for the deficit, not so much trickle down though.

    We’re on course to be the largest population in Western Europe a little after 2050…

  35. @Carfrew,

    Yes at least 15%. Although in reality my household finances have improved because my wife went from unemployment, to part-time and then full-time work during the period of this parliament.

    I think the trick is not to see it as a zero-sum game. In principle I am in favour of higher taxes on the properly-rich, but in practice I suspect that they’d just shrink the tax base and leave me 20% worse off instead of 15% worse off.

    My bugbear is the “reforms” that the government have brought in alongside the “cuts”, which to public servants look like a combination of a long-held desire to de-professionalise some services, combined with a figleaf of pretending that services are “different” rather than “less”.

    I am all in favour of austerity. How much “good stuff” a country provides, for me, is a factor of how rich it is. But daft policies like requiring emergency workers to soldier on into their late 50s and beyond, and sacking them if they can’t maintain their fitness, are mean-spirited and destructive. Better to be honest and say “sorry guys, belt-tightening time, 15% cut to all pay and all alllowances”.

  36. I should add that both housing and poverty/inequality are growing in salience in the MORI thing. While the economy drops.

  37. @Neil A

    I recall a response from Amber saying how it was a shame your partner had to go back to work to cover the shortfall!! Maybe it suited you anyway, but many have been having to cut back and adapt circumstances to cope. That can become a case of diminishing returns after a while and it becomes progressively harder to adapt to further erosion of living standards.

    I see what you are saying on the cuts thing. When it comes to it not being a zero-sum game, sure, it can be ok if others get more so long as the rest get a bit extra. The problem is that at the moment, the pie may be growing but only a small proportion are benefitting. Many are losing out.

  38. @Neil A

    I.e. the argument about it not being zero-sum assumes trickle down that is sadly lacking…

  39. Ed,

    I don’t think that the Bank of England targets house prices.

  40. @CB11

    Have you seen Mike Smithson’s take on the


    “Scot goes pop” has been moaning about YouGov’s methodology for a while now. Google for SGP, and see the most recent YG article.

    Given that YG were 9% out in 2011, it’s fair to say that PK’s statement of everyone else being wrong is more than a little arrogant. Not even probably wrong, but wrong. I think PK is doing his bit for the No vote imho.

  41. It does look very like the runup to the 2005 election at the moment: ie quite close polling with little movement. I am still expecting some further swingback and/or the effect of perceived leadership qualities to bring us to parity. I’d be surprised if Labour did any worse than minority government, in the grey area between a bare majority and and being obliged to talk to the LD’s about a formal coalition. Still trying not to rule out Conservative majority but it’s getting harder by the day.

    On Scottish Independence it seems we have had a few polls indicating an increasing VI for no. It’s looking ominous for Yes, because when this process began it was fairly clear the Yes campaign needed many more of the undecideds on their side. There might not be enough Yes-leaners who actually turn out left to close the gap.

    I still think that Cameron trapped himself over Europe recently for no long-term effect. As is the case for budgets, these things happen rarely and are quickly forgotten. What the Conservatives need is a big long-term issue that they can do and the opposition clearly can’t or wont without looking them silly. Time is lacking for such an eventuality. Bits and pieces won’t shift VI that much alone, and without a substantial shift, outright Conservative victory is looking increasingly difficult given the situation.

  42. If 2005 is the benchmark, the new YG Wales poll shows Labour are below it in Wales as least in terms of net seats to be gained. For some reason AW only quoted the Assembly seats but it’s the GE that matters at present. In 2005 Labour lost Carmarthen W, the Vale of Glamorgan, Cardiff N and Aberconwy to the Cons and Arfon to Plaid. The YG poll presumably on standard swing shows they would win only one of these back – Cardiff N, despite a 5% increase in Labours total Welsh vote compared with the 36% nadir of 2010. Labour would also win back Cardiff C from LibDems which they had lost in 2005. I assume by extension of Lord A’s figures the latter re-gain would be by a whopping margin. However the projected failure to win a single seat from the Cons or Plaid outside the S Wales heartland should send shudders down red spines here. Labour came third in several of these seats in the Euros too.

    I wonder if Lord A is looking at any Lab-Con marginals in Wales ?

  43. Sorry should have said in 2010 Labour lost Carmarthen aw and the other 4 seats to Cons and Plaid

  44. @Carfrew and Neil A

    Both of your propositions could be true:

    some people may chose to vote on how the economy as a whole is being reported as doing

    some people vote on how they personally are doing financially

    And of course their vote is decided by lots of other things as well

    i was just trying to work out why the improvement in the economic news has not boosted support for the LD’s and the Cons. In fact in UKPR latest averages it has dropped to 39% LD and Cons together

    One of the reasons in IMO is the lack of personal financial improvement, I am sure there are other reasons, most of them not even economic..

    Con and LD voters are already very positive about the governments managment of the economy, the present economic situation and in the Cons case their own financial situation in 12 months time. It is all the other parties supporters who are extremely negative and i am sure that tihs is dragging down and keeping down the coalition vote

    Nearer the election maybe people’s view will change, but, i feel, that unless living standards start to rise, then all the economic good news headlines will not boost the coalition parties by much

  45. Oh and one other thing, I don’t want to sound like to miserable Cassandra going on and on about falling living standards because i actually believe that rising living standards and good economic news actually boosts the vote of the left of centre parties

    i want to post about rising living standards and i will be quick to do so as soon as they happen. i expect wages to rise above inflation in the Autumn

    Living standards can not fall forvever, voters will demand all political parties to do something about it

  46. @FV

    Yes, clearly some may vote on the basis of improving economy generally even if their own pay packet takes a hit, after all that seems to be Neil’s stance on the matter! I think the issue is further complicated by rising house prices: some may calculate that even if their wages aren’t keeping pace, they’re making lots extra on their property which they may liberate if, say, they downsize or move somewhere cheaper. If they happen to have more than one property, even better.

    Meanwhile, some may calculate that the big issue for them is not wage rises but the fear of a mansion tax. And some may answer tribally whatever the state of the economy or their finances. And no doubt more besides all that. Be good if polling could drill down into this a bit more…

    The question is over the drivers for the personal finance thing to change; the government is beginning to act, with the flexible working thing and zero contract hours changes. We’ll see what value that has and what else they may do…

  47. Kellner’s article is interesting, and his comparison of recalled votes by the Survation and YouGov panel members is persuasive. It’s unfortunate that it reads like an American TV advert, praising his own product while rubbishing other brands!

    However, it seems an odd choice to judge the accuracy or otherwise of recalled 2011 votes by the extent that 2010 and 2014 recall was inaccurate, instead of YouGov testing the accuracy of the 2011 recall itself.

    While I have long shared his view that “Unless things change markedly in the next eleven weeks, Scotland will vote to remain in the United Kingdom”, The margin of the No win may be less than he assumes.

    To achieve the greatest accuracy, pollsters need to weight on all the relevant demographics. IIRC, YouGov asked respondents their country of birth a few polls ago, and the sample contained a significantly higher % of those born in England, than the census data would suggest.

    Other polls have shown a correlation between voting No, and that demographic – though it is clearly more complex than that, as our own Allan Christie (spinster of this parish) demonstrates. The referendum isn’t just a “normal” election campaign, and pollsters can’t expect to be accurate unless they weight for all the relevant factors.

    A further factor may be the extent to which any pollster has engaged with those who took even less interest in inter-party politics than most people. A higher Yes vote may result from the campaigning of the Radical Independence Convention, who are actively registering new voters, than the work of the Yes campaign, the SNP or the Greens.

    However, the Kellner article betrays a serious lack of understanding of politics in Scotland. It isn’t just a localised version of Westminster politics. While alliterative, “passionate Nats” and “passing Nats” is simply nonsense. Like many people around the world, who have more than one Parliament/Assembly, people frequently vote for different parties for different areas of governance. Only Westminster-centric commentators would assume that the votes for Westminster were core, and the Holyrood votes transient.

    His “red Nats” also betrays a lack of awareness. The Social Grade data makes it clear that, in Scotland, Labour is the dominant party of the establishment, rather than the dispossessed.

    In the latest YG GB poll, 37% of ABC1s will vote Tory and 35% Labour, while only 28% of C2DEs will vote Tory and 44% Labour. In this YG Scottish poll, for Holyrood constituencies, a mere 16% of ABC1s will vote Tory, 40% Labour, and 30% SNP. Among C2DEs, 14% Tory, 34% Lab, 39% SNP.

    Kellners conclusion that (on YG’s own figures) 40% of Scots voting for independence will be a No victory “by a decisive enough margin to settle the matter for many years to come” seems an odd one.

    Even a 1% win by No will ensure that no future UK Government will ever replicate the Edinburgh Agreement again. We will be back to the answer given to my parents, campaigning for Home Rule in the 1940s that “we’ll listen to you when you elect such MPs to Westminster”.

    The Catalan experience may well be of significance to the future of the debate in Scotland and the wider UK, but a failure to meet at least a significant proportion of the constitutional aspirations of so many in Scotland might well mean that “many years” might be counted on the fingers of one hand.

  48. @Carfrew

    Yes the governing parties are clearly seeing what the voters are feeling about their living standards and are trying to help in small ways.

    In theory this should be more fertile ground for LOC partiies.

    The point about ROC parties doing better in tough times,

    UKIP + Cons 15% + 31% = 46%

    Lab+ Greens + Nats 36% +5 % + 3% = 44%

    I am not sure where I would put the LD’s at the moment

    In tough times ROC parties do well usually.

  49. Good Morning All.

    I agree that ROC parties do better in harder times.

    The 2005 GE with a slight Labour lead in the polls, DR MIBBLES, is that Labour were in power then, although they were being led by a leader destined to become a three times winner, only to be dumped two years later. I cannot quite remember his name, as it is early in the morning.

    There was a swing back to the incumbent in the last nine months or so.

  50. neil a
    “A bit of an infuriating day in the media, from a professional perspective. All sorts of guff being spouted about historic child abuse and FGM. I sometimes wonder what the f*** the political classes think I’ve been doing my whole career”

    Problem is, as the recent hacking case, Savile and senior politicians involved with abuse th epolice will sometimes only do “something” if pushed into it by mounting public or press pressure.

    I’m sure you are doing a sterling job, but that didn’t help Savile’s, or Harris’s, or any other of the victims much did it?

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