Compare and contrast

A couple of weeks ago someone sent me a link to a “poll” in the Tab (which, one understands, is some form of newspaper for students) that claimed to show Conservatives were in the lead amongst students. Nonsense of course, it was an open access voodoo poll with no attempt to get a meaningful or representative sample (hell, 10% of the sample were Cambridge students!). Of course, it was only a poll in a campus newspaper so I didn’t bother writing rude things about it, the only other media I found foolish enough to cite it were Vice and Breitbart.

Just for the record though, today’s Independent has a properly conducted poll of students by YouthSight (we’ve met them here before, under the name of Opinionpanel). This was a panel based survey amongst undergraduate full-time students, recruited via UCAS and validated through an email address, weighted by type of university (Russell, pre-1992, post-1992, specialist), year of study and gender. In contrast to the voodoo poll above, it shows Labour with a solid lead amongst students who say they are likely to vote – Labour 43%, Conservatives 24%, Lib Dems 6%, Greens 14%, UKIP 5%. Compare and contrast.

310 Responses to “Compare and contrast”

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  1. Is “that lady” standing again in Eastleigh?

    Could well go UKIP I suppose; depends how well the new LD MP has come over perhaps.

  2. @ Neil A

    Isn’t the purpose of positive discrimination to correct a pre-existing imbalance caused by historic discrimination? Once an equitable balance is achieved there should be no further need for discrimination, positive or negative.

  3. Ewen Lightfoot

    On polling trends, it could be that England is venturing into four party politics, just as Scotland is moving back to three party politics! :-)

    In reality, of course, both countries have two dominant parties (Labour being the only one in contention in both), There are then a couple of minor parties with a significant level of support (Lib-Dems being the only one common to both systems), and others which hardly appear on the radar.

    Some measure of PR in the electoral system for England (consequential changes elsewhere in the UK would be incidental) seems essential if the dominant parties are not to undermine the very concept of democracy for their own selfish interests.

  4. New thread.

  5. Mr N
    Found it so belay my request (on their web site already). Only 500 odd people interviewed.

    Interesting split local /national.

  6. Wood

    Idon’t know your background

    However, I do have extensive experience over More than 2 Decades of the UK judicial system and my experience from arresting Hundreds of Female Offenders over the years would tend very much to support the statistics I provided.

  7. I’ve been in the police 24 years. I’ve only had one female offender sent to prison in that time.

  8. @Steve
    I suspect (no idea, don’t want to put words in your mouth), you might have got the wrong end of the stick with regards to my position, I never actually opposed any of the actual statistics you quote (they’re from a pressure group so I would suspect they’re the most ‘extreme’ of each that could be found, and obviously incomplete, but yeah they’re probably broadly accurate)…merely the myth that women get harsher sentencing etc….my original original point was that the male/female prisoner ratio is NOT the result of gender discrimination.

    I know that arguing partially against my own point is probably not helpful re clarity, I just have a thing for accuracy, evidence, etc. eg My initial instinct was to begin this reply by pointing out the problems with anecdotal evidence, even though I’m trying to agree with you :)

  9. Neil
    Working as I did in Soho in London I suspect our policing experience may have been a tad different.

  10. @Steve,

    I expect so. Most of my career has been in child protection and organised crime.

    Prosecuted maybe 10 women for child abuse crimes (assault, neglect etc). Every one got non-custodial (or got off entirely). One came close. In the video interview I asked her son “What would you like to happen, Jamie?” and he replied, very ernestly, “Well I don’t want my mum to go to prison”. The judge referenced his comment in the sentencing as the sole reason she wasn’t getting custody.

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