The weekly YouGov poll for the Sunday Times has topline figures of CON 33%, LAB 39%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 11%. Most of the rest of the poll asked about the “plebgate” row.

As various questions about Plebgate have continued to surface public opinion has moved in favour of Andrew Mitchell, albeit, not by that much. Back in December 2012 people were pretty evenly split over whether they believed Mitchell (31%) or the police (28%), now Mitchell is clearly more widely believed (37%) than the police are (27%). Back in December 43% thought Mitchell probably did call the officer a “pleb”, 34% thought he probably didn’t. The figures are now 40% think he did, 38% think he did not. On every question there are lots of don’t knows: remember most ordinary people will not be following the detailed ins and outs of the story!

30% of people think that there was probably a deliberate attempt by police to stitch up Mitchell, 21% think he was probably wrongly accused but through a genuine misunderstanding rather than a conspiracy, 24% that he was rightly accused and the police were just telling the truth. Despite the growing doubts about what he said, still only 29% of people think he should be offered a new government job (perhaps because many people think swearing at police officers should prevent him being re-instated even if he didn’t say “pleb”!)

22% of people say that “plebgate” has made them trust the police less, though the tracking questions don’t really tell the same story. 66% of people say they trust ordinary police officers (14% a great deal, 52% a fair amount), 48% say they trust senior police officers. Both are significantly lower than when YouGov started asking the questions back in 2003 (when 82% trusted normal officers and 72% senior officers), but not significantly lower than we’ve seen for the last year or two – the real damage appears to have been done before plebgate.


192 Responses to “YouGov/Sunday Times – CON 33, LAB 39, LD 10, UKIP 11”

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  1. RIN…………So, you’re writing off from any form of ‘ normal’ work, all those who swear at the police, so students on demo’s, strikers, black’s being wrongly arrested in Peckham etc., football fans, Muslim protesters, protesters of all kinds. I take it therefore, that you are a paragon of virtue, since you’re preaching a message of non-verbal confrontation, and obviously would never dream of swearing at a copper, in any circumstances. I’ve got news for you, mate, this is Britain, not Norway, here, we swear at coppers, it’s ok, they don’t mind, at least the honest ones don’t. :-)

  2. Could we not build lots of wind turbines and also house people in them?

  3. @ Colin Davis

    Minimal welfare provision protects the better off from crime (the costs & consequences) & from social unrest. IMO, they are trying to off-load the cost of things from which they hugely benefit onto charities & free volunteers. They might say welfare claimants are financially ‘sponging’ the state; I’d say that the comfortable who would see people use foodbanks or starve are emotionally & financially ‘sponging’ benefits from the society whose very existence they deny.

  4. @CHARLES
    “they sell a lot of the gas electricity etc to themselves and this is presented as part of the wholesale market. Is this true?”

    Yes this is the real problem and why EM wants a freeze – during the freeze – he will put a stop to the same company selling to itself at inflated prices. However that is too subtle a message to get across in our media so he just concentrates on the energy freeze.

  5. Ken

    You swear at the police! What kind of conservative are you? Now I’ve been on lots of demos and indeed there are folk that swear at the police, they are the ones that get nicked first and they are the ones that the police don’t use an exaggerated amount of care with when bundling them into the black Maria’s, only a complete id!ot swears at police officers. But really I can’t believe how the conservatives have changed, it used to be that their were the party of law and order and respect for authority, now they are the swearing at figures of authority party? WTF is going on

  6. Ken

    Btw, I never tell my employer that I’m going on a demo, it’s a surefire way to get your employment terminated

  7. RIN………I wasn’t justifying swearing at the police, I wouldn’t, but I live in the real world, I’ve been on demo’s, the last one was in support of fox hunting, with the Countryside Alliance, I didn’t swear but the police did, so did lot’s of others, it’s Britain in the 2000’s, I don’t mind, sticks and stones etc.

  8. Oh god Damm I just discovered that I’m an ultra social conservative

  9. RIN…………Your employer obviously doesn’t value you as much as we do, we allow you your freedom of protest on UKPR. :-)

  10. RIN………..Deep down, we are all ultra social conservatives.:-)

  11. Ken

    That terrible, Britain really is going to the dogs. I’ve had lots of dealings with the police been on many demos but I can’t remember a police officer swearing at me. I’m shocked that an on duty British police officer could swear at the public. In all seriousness it’s a national disgrace

  12. RIN……….I agree, in fact, I think we should introduce a law forbidding anyone not declaring allegiance to the Conservative party, to swear at coppers, plebs should certainly be brought before the Beak. :-)

  13. Ken

    Lol

  14. Populas

    Lab 37 Cons 34 LD 14 Ukip 8

  15. @STATGEEK

    “Agreed, but not sure how that translates to Mitchell. He wasn’t serving the police pints.”

    ——-

    Oh, that makes it ok then!! As long as a public servant isn’t serving pints to a policeman, they can address the public however they like…

  16. @MIKE N
    “Could we not build lots of wind turbines and also house people in them”

    ——-

    2nd homes for MPs!!…

  17. @ RIN

    When my employer heard I’d been at court for the day for not paying my poll tax he said ‘good for you’ and he’s UKIP now- although I guess that makes some sense not wanting to pay taxes :-)

    @ Ken

    I’m with RIN on this one- you may dream of it but anyone who does, outside of a Saturday night when they have enough to deal with, would be very very silly!

  18. @Carfrew

    “hey can address the public however they like…”

    Mitchell was addressing a police officer as far as I know, so that statement doesn’t quite compute.

    How a politician addresses a police officer is not much concern for anyone but the media and the oppositions’ supporters.

    Wouldn’t you agree?

    What I want to know is…if Mitchell is guilty, and the police innocent, will the former resign? And if he is innocent and the police guilty, will they resign (and will Miliband retract his ‘Toast’ statement) ?

  19. We also ought to think about the reaction if a police officer had used bad language towards a Cabinet Minister who had caused them some minor irritation.

    I am pretty confident that the same newspapers demanding that Mitchell be reinstated would have demanded a sacking.

    This sort of issue is easily resolved – don’t swear at the police. It’s not a very hard rule to follow.

  20. @Statgeek

    No, actually. I think in these circumstances, I want members of HM Government to be polite and treat the police – and other public servants – with respect, and if they’re unable to, I don’t want them in Government. It is basic courtesy and maturity.

    You can’t persistently complain that people don’t have enough respect for institutions and the police if you don’t demonstrate it yourself.

  21. BBC reporting in the News at One that Labour are broadly supportive of the deal made by the Government and therefore obviously accept (despite their proposed freeze of 20 months) that energy prices are likely to double between now and 2023 when the new Nuclear Power Station is due to come into operation.

    I think that puts into question any great benefit from the planned freeze, other than a very short term, one as the reporter seemed to imply.

  22. @statgeek

    “Mitchell was addressing a police officer as far as I know, so that statement doesn’t quite compute.
    How a politician addresses a police officer is not much concern for anyone but the media and the oppositions’ supporters.
    Wouldn’t you agree?”

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    It’s okay Statgeek, you’ve made yourself perfectly clear!! You said Mitchell wasn’t serving the police pints, as if this was a mitigating factor. As long as one would is not serving pints to police therefore, have at it!!

  23. “You can’t persistently complain that people don’t have enough respect for institutions and the police if you don’t demonstrate it yourself.”

    ——–

    To be fair, Statgeek does have respect for serving pints, which personally I see as a good thing. Though I would extend it to bourbon, rum etc.

  24. OZWALD

    Sadly for Danny Alexander, two of the Highland villages in that list no longer have filling stations. Not a lot of votes in that!

  25. TURK

    @”Populas
    Lab 37 Cons 34 LD 14 Ukip 8″

    Interesting-wonder what tomorrow’s YouGov will be?

  26. @Oldnat
    “Sadly for Danny Alexander, two of the Highland villages in that list no longer have filling stations. Not a lot of votes in that!”
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    lol, let’s keep it secret then !

  27. @Carfrew

    I think it goes without saying that we should respect serving pints. I try to respect them as whenever I can. It builds character.

  28. @TOH

    “BBC reporting in the News at One that Labour are broadly supportive of the deal made by the Government and therefore obviously accept (despite their proposed freeze of 20 months) that energy prices are likely to double between now and 2023 when the new Nuclear Power Station is due to come into operation.

    I think that puts into question any great benefit from the planned freeze, other than a very short term, one as the reporter seemed to imply.”

    You could try and get it right.

    From the BBC News: “Labour leader Ed Miliband, who has pledged to freeze energy prices for 20 months if he wins the next election, said the party supported the development of new nuclear power stations, but would scrutinise the terms of the deal to ensure it delivered value for money for consumers. ”

    So Labour certainly haven’t accepted that energy prices will double.

  29. OZWALD
    Interesting comment from the MD of Ovo Energy about big suppliers :-
    “If they’re buying more expensive gas, more expensive electricity, in a large part we think this is because they’re selling it to themselves”


    Well they are the cheapest for the customer (I saved £400 a Year by switching to them) and unlike the big 6 they didn’t go into a hissy fit over a 20 Month Price Freeze, in fact if you read between the lines they actually think it’s a pretty good idea provided it’s accompanied by a reorganisation of the dysfunctional vertical integration of the big 6.

    The latest excuse for a 10% price hike came from NPower blaming basically higher delivery charges rather ignoring that most of these charges were charges it imposed on itself!

  30. Colin

    I expect the polls to remain within a few % for the rest of the year with some tory leads in 2004.

    I’m beginning to wonder if EM price freeze is starting to back fire slightly, with the power companies jumping on the band wagon of increased prices, is this being blamed on Labours price freeze plans as well as greedy companies, be interesting how this turns out.

    Having said that DC has got to start getting to grips with energy prices just repeating change companies and lower tarrif’s is not enough.
    It may be the with the new nuclear plant they will move to cutting the green part of the energy bill, it’s unlikely they will get it through without LD support but nothing stops them making it part of there manifesto in 2015 to counter Labours freeze plans we will see.

    But from what I’ve heard that idea has a lot of support amongst Tory ranks, as it delivers a real price drop rather than Labours freeze which delivers the price at whatever it is in 2015 for 17mths. It’s a pity that previous governments didn’t embrace the nuclear option earlier instead of being side tract by expensive inefficient green options.

  31. London’s booming housing market is rising at an unsustainable rate, the UK’s largest property website warned on Monday, with the average asking price of a home in the capital surging by more than £50,000 last month.

    Such is the acceleration in the capital’s property market, according to Rightmove, that many buyers will need help from deep-pocketed parents despite the expansion of George Osborne’s Help to Buy scheme.

    Rightmove said the average asking price in London rose to £544,232 in October from £493,748 the previous month – an increase of more than 10%. Across England and Wales, the rise over the month was a more modest 2.8% to £252,418.

    Describing the London increases as unsustainable, Rightmove said Help to Buy would mainly benefit buyers in the rest of England and Wales because many Londoners would not be able to afford mortgage repayments on a house costing double the national average.

    (Guardian)

    I think it is self evident that a full scale property boom in both Purchases and rentals is taking place in London, it has serious economic consequences as not only those on modest incomes but those simply outside of the top 10% of earners are effectively priced out of the City.

    It is difficult to see how this can be sustained without a huge affordable house building programme ,which isn’t happening.

  32. Turk

    Is that really going to fly, last year power companies put up pricesbecause they could, this year they are putting up prices because one day they might not be able to, tell me that doesn’t sound silly! Are the public really going to believe that the power companies wouldn’t have put up prices anyway? Even if you can get the public to believe that, what does it say about the power companies? Doesn’t it suggest that they are out of control and that this govt is either unable or unwilling to rein them in. I look forward to Miliband confronting DC on this issue in PMQ and calling him weak, won’t it resonate with the public when the govt line is that the power companies are scared of Miliband but not of this govt

  33. ” some tory leads in 2004.”

    A brave prediction Turk

  34. TURK

    Thanks

    I agree with your last sentiment.

    “Dash for Gas” was part of it I think-no one considered nuclear when we were self sufficient in Gas.

  35. @Carfrew

    “It’s okay Statgeek, you’ve made yourself perfectly clear!!”

    “As long as one would is not serving pints to police therefore, have at it!!”

    You’ll run out of exclamation marks at this rate. Can we agree to differ?

    I believe it was a storm in a teacup, and the parties involved took things the wrong way to suit their agenda.

    I have no respect for pints whatsoever. I drink nips. :-p

  36. @turk – wow Milliband must the most powerful opposition leader in history I mean it’s not like prices haven’t been going up beyond inflation year after year after year….. Oh wait they have – not even the Tories have blamed this increase on Milliband, because the ridicule they’ll get if they did. As for 2014 (assume you meant that) is this based on anything or just hope over riding expectation? Don’t blame you, I was in the same place pre 2010

  37. ““Dash for Gas” was part of it I think-no one considered nuclear when we were self sufficient in Gas.”

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    That must have been before the unexpected discovery that our gas reserves might be finite. Or that Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Who knew?

  38. Norbold

    I was repeating what the BBC political commentator said not what Miliband said.

  39. STATGEEK
    ‘Actually, I’m left wing on some things and right wing on others, so perhaps you need a ‘fence-sitter’ checker ‘

    How will he or she know? Does it operate by buttock?

  40. CHARLES
    There may be a case of thinking that “**********plods” was a personal reflection, rather the same as I speak my thoughts to to this ********** lap-top, – Not the same as saying “****off, you *****g plods.”
    In other words, he may have been swearing, but not AT the police.

  41. So, just as we privatise nuclear electricity in the future with massive payoffs for the Chinese and the French paid for by the voters we, at the same time, will be thrown some minor stale cake to placate us now as the privatised energy companies do what companies do which is try and make maximum profit. That is, after all, what capitalism is about.

    The world is mad. Why not fund the nuclear power by the state (easy, don’t redo nuclear bombs or enter pointless wars that were not of our concern for two…) so we can control costs to the consumer and if we get it wrong the profit goes back to the state…

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