The post-speech polls

The first poll conducted after Cameron’s Europe speech, YouGov’s on Friday, didn’t appear to show any impact on voting intention. However, this weekend we have a further four polls conducted after the speech (the Opinium one was mostly done prior to the speech). Here they are:

Angus Reid/Sunday Express have the Conservatives on 30% (up three) and Labour on 39% (down three) – the online version of the article doesn’t mention the UKIP or Lib Dem scores. The poll was conducted on Thursday and Friday.

ComRes/IoS/Sunday Mirror has the Conservatives up 5 on 33%, Labour unchanged on 39%, UKIP down 4 points on 10%. As I wrote yesterday, some of this appears to be due to ComRes treating likelihood to vote differently in their December poll, but even with consistent treatment of likelihood to vote the poll would have shown the Conservatives up 4 or 5 points, though it would probably also have shown Labour down slightly.

Survation/Mail on Sunday has the Conservatives on 31%, up two, Labour unchanged on 38% and UKIP down two on 14%.

YouGov in the Sunday Times has topline figures of CON 35%, LAB 41%, LDEM 12%, UKIP 7%. Compared to the average of YouGov’s polls last week that equates to the Conservatives being up by about two, Labour down by about two and UKIP down by about one.

In each individual poll the changes are relatively small, but they are consistent across the pollsters, so we can be fairly confident that the Conservatives have enjoyed a small boost from the referendum promise and the positive publicity around it. UKIP appear to have dropped slightly, but not massively (the biggest drop they had, that in the ComRes poll, was mostly due to methodological variation). The shift is hardly a game changing degree though.

Looking at the other questions, there is some stark variation in how people say they’d vote in an EU referendum. YouGov’s figures are very similar to what they were showing early in the week – in a straight referendum question 37% say they would vote to stay, 39% say they would vote to leave. If David Cameron were to renegotiate and recommend a yes vote then 50% of people say they would vote to stay, compared to 25% who would vote to leave – the contrast is almost entirely down to Conservative voters, who would currently vote to leave, but would vote to stay on renegotiated terms.

Angus Reid asked how people would vote if Cameron did manage to repatriate some powers, 34% said they would vote to stay in, 34% said they would vote to leave.

Survation found 50% saying Britain should leave the EU, 36% that they should stay. If Cameron wins back some powers, 43% of those saying Britain should leave say they would consider voting to stay.


408 Responses to “The post-speech polls”

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  1. Amber you have a funny definition of politics if you don’t think Europe, immigration, and as you suggest “a woman’s right to an opinion” are to do with politics.

    They debate social media and the internet in general in both the lords and the commons so you might want to go down there and tell them your view that actually its not politics.

    Also it has nothing to do with the fact that Mary Beard is a woman, I see that as you can’t play racism card, you’re trying to rely on the old sexism card instead. The fact is that she made vile comments and disregarded the plight of the people, then acted all shocked when she got a dose of it back.

    More importantly its about free speach, just as you claim she has the right to state her repulsive views on prime time tv, I think it’s right that the people she shows such disdain for have a right to reply.

  2. @Maninthemiddle – love it! Extending your logic, takes you right into the ‘but she was asking for it’ excuse.

    No, it’s unacceptable to abuse people. very simple. If you disagree with what someone has said, try saying something like ‘I disagree with what you said’. Even better, try to pull together some facts and figures to make an argument.

    Turning the persons face into a pornographic image or talking about her genitalia doesn’t really meet either of these criteria, in my humble view.

  3. I’m not aware of the details being discussed but the idea that for someone’s opinions to be challenged they need to be abused and thus “knocked off their ivory tower” is a bit chilling.

    What is required is a factual rebuttal – that’s all.

  4. Chart update folks. Shifting to weekly updates. Not enough happening on a day to day basis, and I plenty to do elsewhere ;)

    See the most recent article for more into.

  5. @Crosbatt11, Chordata,
    Based on the book that Ganesh wrote about GO, its fair to say he’s big fan of Osborne – hence why Brillo called him “your mate”…..

    To be honest, even now, its still a very lopsided panel, with 2 right wingers and a Lib Dem supporter, being interviewed by a right winger…..they need to get someone like Kevin Macguire on….

  6. Indeed Paul, I can only think that MitM has not seen some of the abuse directed at Mary Beard – who is as entitled to her opinions as the rest of her.

    Some of it was the most vile and sexual perverted material, and I’m sure I didnt read the worst of it.

    Plus the website has previous for similar attacks on those who dare to express a view contrary to theirs – see the New Statesman.

  7. Typos:
    I [have] plenty to do elsewhere
    more info (not into)

    sigh!

  8. TIP NUMBER THREE:

    To achieve balance in life one should regard everything as being both of absolute importance and of none, both simultaneously and inter-changeably.

    This allows you to adopt Bootsie’s [The Army Game] catchphrase:

    “Still, n’e’mind ay?” with total sincerity.

  9. Paul

    You might sympathize with Mary after all she was expressing a view similar to yours, but she expressed it in such a disdainful way, calling people’s concerns a myth, and just outright dismissing the daughter of an immigrant who was near tears because of her family and friends could not find work because of all the extra immigrants coming in, or that the hospital she worked in was struggling to cope.

    It was one of the most infuriating responses on question time i’ve ever seen, her comments caused a lot of offence, then she has the cheek to act all offended when people make offensive comments to her.

    It’s the same old same old

    “what I say is covered by free speech but what you say is wrong and must be censored ” all sides are guilty of it.

  10. MinM

    I have no idea what was being discussed [as I have already said] so please don’t put words in my mouth or decide for me what my opinions are.

    It sounds as though the abuse was viley disproportionate, but as has been said by me and others, abuse is not what is required anyway, in order to challenge someone else’s point of view.

  11. Ignore trolls.

  12. Paul

    I wasnt meaning to put words in your mouth, its a view you’ve stated numerous times that you think immigration brings nothing but benefits to this country.
    In my party example you refered to them bringing gifts worth more than the party bag they received etc.

    She was stating a similar view, but thats where the similarity ends as Mrs Beard then proceeded to denigrate a womans economic plight that she emotionally expressed as a “myth”.

    She has a nice cushy job, she doesnt have to worry about an Eastern European taking her job and forcing her to choose between heating and eating, and yet she mocks those who suffer.

    It showed such a total out of touch view of the country. It was plebgate x 10

  13. @Paulcroft – “It sounds as though the abuse was viley disproportionate”
    – I have a post in moderation as I described in outline some of the content and it seems I tripped the auto mod.

    Suffice to say there were plenty of threats about putting something in Beard’s mouth (and elsewhere) but it wasn’t words.
    I didn’t see the whole of QT, but I don’t think Beard used that kind of terminology.

    The other issue here is why it’s OK to go after women who say things you think are daft, but not men. Probably the most illuminating part of the response was a comment piece by Rod Liddle, who criticised Beard and asked who was the most stupid woman to have appeared on QT in the last year.

    I’ve seen some pretty stupid men appear on QT (John Lydon, anybody?) but I’m not aware Liddle asked for nominations for the most stupid man.

    @maninthemiddle thinks this is a debate about immigration, but it isn’t – it’s part of an ongoing battle in online and popular culture between those of us who see women as deserving of equal respect and those who use the new media as a way to force women back into the box marked ‘don’t think and don’t have an opinion’.

  14. If it was a tory who made such disparaging remarks about the general public, im sure Amber and Alec would be agreeing with me.

  15. @Maninthemiddle – “If it was a tory who made such disparaging remarks about the general public, im sure Amber and Alec would be agreeing with me.”

    I was going to say no more, but I’m not letting this past. If you read my posts you will see that I referenced the online abuse heaped onto Louise Mensch when she announced her decision to stand down.

    I have my political views of her (almost everything she ever did or said was wrong) but as a high profile female politician she was subject to the very same treatment meted out to Mary Beard. Absolutely disgraceful and intolerable, for precisely the same reasons, in my view.

    I will never, ever agree with you that it’s OK to express pornographic, sexualised and violent images of someone online just because you disagree with something they have said. You’re really getting on my nerves now by claiming that would.

    I never demand apologies, but you mind want to think about that.

  16. @Maninthemiddle – “If it was a tory who made such disparaging remarks about the general public, im sure Amber and Alec would be agreeing with me.”

    I was going to say no more, but I’m not letting this past. If you read my posts you will see that I referenced the online abuse heaped onto Louise Mensch when she announced her decision to stand down.

    I have my political views of her (almost everything she ever did or said was wrong) but as a high profile female politician she was subject to the very same treatment meted out to Mary Beard. Absolutely disgraceful and intolerable, for precisely the same reasons, in my view.

    I will never, ever agree with you that it’s OK to express sexualised and violent images of someone online just because you disagree with something they have said. You’re really getting on my nerves now by claiming that would.

    I never demand apologies, but you mind want to think about that.

  17. @Alec “The other issue here is why it’s OK to go after women who say things you think are daft, but not men.

    It had nothing to do with her gender, it was her comments. I’ve never seen anyone (man or woman) on question time before dismiss the hardship in peoples lives as a myth. If a man had said that there would be just as much outrage.

    Anna Soubry a tory came dangerously close the other day when she said that she thought the provision of services was getting better in the Uk not worse. Then of course there was Edwina Curries remarks on radio that she didn’t think there was anyone in the UK going hungry.

    The fact those offensive comments were made by women is not the issue, its the fact that they made them.

    Plebgate involved a man making offensive remarks and there was outrage over that, so I really don’t see how anyone can play the gender card. If no one cared about Andrew Mitchells comments but did on what the females said then the sexism point would stand, but as his comments were met with outrage, I think the sexism point is completely invalid.

  18. MinM

    Getting boring this but I have NEVER, EVER said immigration “brings nothing but benefits”. That would be a ludicrous statement as it is clearly rubbish.

    Can you please stop while you are losing as this is becoming very irritating.

  19. @MitM

    “I’m usually against bullying or abuse”

    Really? I’m ALWAYS against it. Perhaps you could outline the circumstances under which you approve of bullying and abuse?

  20. Alec

    Louise Bagshawe/Mensch whatever her name was, stepped down to be with her family, she didnt make offensive comments to members of the public so thats a false comparison.

    If there were threats of violence as you say then maybe that should be looked into, but in terms of just general insults, to me, no matter what your gender, if you make disparaging remarks about a section of society, don’t be surprised if that section bites back.

    Also if you read my above comments, you will see I was saying it’s good that we’re a country tolerant enough to only hurl insults rather than resort to violence as many other countries would.

  21. It is with great sadness that I report the fact that Tottingham Hotspur have been knocked out of the FA cup by a championship side.

    As an Arsenal supporter the North London camaraderie between the two teams is, of course, legendary.

    Still, n’e’ mind ay??

  22. Paul

    Well then someone has been posting under your name as I’ve constantly seen comments by Paulcroft, espousing all the positives of immigration and that they actually benefit the country and are good etc.

    I’m guessing it’s not you who constantly gets moderated and reprimanded for being partisan either, having someone impersonate you online you poor thing.

  23. @Alec

    “I will never, ever agree with you that it’s OK to express sexualised and violent images of someone online just because you disagree with something they have said. You’re really getting on my nerves now by claiming that would.”

    He didn’t claim that. He claimed that if a Tory had said what Mary Beard had said, it would have been a different story for some posters here.

    In that sense I agree, and I qualify that one can take [Tory] and replace it with any party. Those with a dislike for party ‘x’ would have had something to day about it.

    We should never allow nor condone the content of that now closed site, but we shouldn’t let such a furore lead us away from what was stated to cause it.

  24. “Can you please stop while you are losing as this is becoming very irritating.”

    Another example of your arrogance, anyone with a different view to you is wrong, and if they chose to disagree with you openly they are losing or irritating. Well I find you irritating, but I don’t mention it you as I try to treat you with repsect and I’d like you to try and do the same.

  25. @Amber,

    “It may, of course, have been an idle threat – after all, if they can’t win this vote they are extremely unlikely to be able to win the boundary vote either, so one might well see it as a huge waste of effort. Then again, perhaps their view is that they want the BCs to report even if they can’t implement it yet, just so it is there ready if, for example, they got in with a majority of one next time and wanted to rapidly implement them before going for a second election.”

    Anthony is right. Plus, many Tories believe it would be Cameron’s revenge for the Libs voting it down. I think even Cameron knows that the chances of the boundaries being passed is very slim. But as well as keeping these extremely slim hopes alive, his (real) principle aim is probably a strategical/political one IMO.

  26. Good to see we have MitM saying that its OK to threaten to rape and sodomise someone because of their views on immigration….

    That sort of thing is totally unacceptable in any circumstances whatsoever. And anyone who thinks otherwise needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

  27. PAULCROFT
    “It is with great sadness that I report the fact that Tottingham Hotspur have been knocked out of the FA cup by a championship side.”

    It’s been an extraordinary day for us footie fans with Brentford drawing v Chelsea, Leeds beating Spurs and now Oldham are 1-up against Liverpool.

    The magic of the cup was created because of results like this – long may it reign.

  28. Good to see John ruddy cherry picking what he reads.

    May I remind him of my comment “If there were threats of violence as you say then that should be looked into, “

  29. MinM

    You really are making yourself look extraordinarily silly. Just to make something obvious to others clear to you, seeing benefits in immigration is NOT the same as saying it brings NOTHING but benefits – which you claim I have said “numerous times”.. Is that too tricky for you to understand?

    You might also consider that you are in a minority of one here and find something significant in that but I am not overly hopeful.

    I’m off back to the real world but do carry on digging.

  30. Paulcroft

    The fact that the majority of people on here hold one view, does not make my view somehow less valid.

    If you were to post your views on Conservative home about tax for example whatever they are, I’m sure you’d find yourself in the minority, are you saying that would make your views somehow worth less?

    And personally I’ve never seen you acknowledge the human cost of mass immigration, if you have I apologise, but I’ve only read posts from you extolling it’s virtues.

  31. Plus I thought Labour loved minorities Paul?

  32. @ManIntheMiddle,

    Just let it go. Some fights aren’t worth fighting if you want to stay sane!

  33. @MitM
    Those were some of the more ‘polite’ things that were said about Mary Beard.

    I dont have a problem with you disagreeing with her. But whatever her comments, there was NO excuse for the comments that were made about her, and which prompted her complaint about them.

    Your defence of the right to abuse someone because of their views speaks for itself.

  34. “It is with great sadness that I report the fact that Tottingham Hotspur have been knocked out of the FA cup by a championship side.”

    Ah, yes lol. Still they can concentrate on finishing in the top 4 in the league now. I guess Champion’s League football was always their central aim.

    Agree about Spurs being woeful today though. Their defending was terrible today. Looked like a bunch of schoolboys.

  35. “Your defence of the right to abuse someone because of their views speaks for itself.”

    If that’s true, I agree with others on here. You abuse someone verbally for disagreeing with you, you deserve everything you get in this life IMO. Difference of opinion is not an excuse for nastiness.

  36. John

    I’m sure you understand there is a difference between offensive comments, and threats of violence. If someone has been rude to people, they should thoroughly expect people to be rude and offensive back.

    Making threats of violence as I pointed out is entirely different and should be investigated by the police. The Guardian article made no mention of threats to her safety, but if you can go on twitter and find them then I recommend you report them straight away and I’d support you on that.

  37. MinM

    “I apologise”

    That’s alright. I think you’d have to be fairly stupid not to acknowledge that immigration brings problems and athough I’m not “arrogant” [as you “respectfully” suggest] neither am I stupid.

    I imagine the British immigrants in Benidorm have caused a few probems over in Spain.

    I would suggest that you try to understand that a few occasional comments on threads like this are hardly likely to cover the various strands and totality of opinion that anyone may have on ANY particular topic – and certainly not if one is a refective person, which I certainly try to be.

    Paul

  38. “Those were some of the more ‘polite’ things that were said about Mary Beard.”

    Just googled her case. It’s horrific. The cyber bullies were very sad individuals. Whether you agree with someone is irrelevant….what they did was awful. Cyber bullying shouldn’t be tolerated….having a difference of opinion isn’t an excuse to openly abuse someone so badly.

    And I say that as someone who doesn’t necessarily agree with some of her views…but all that is totally irrelevant.

  39. @ Statgeek

    We should never allow nor condone the content of that now closed site, but we shouldn’t let such a furore lead us away from what was stated to cause it.
    —————-
    Here’s what caused it: The academic quoted from a report by Boston Council (the town which was being discussed). The report contained facts, figures & informed conclusions. As far as I am aware, she did not give a personal opinion! Her ‘crime’ was quoting from the available facts in the face of anecdote; this was apparently reason enough for her to become a ‘hate’ figure.

  40. Davos reporting reveals support for Cameron’s agenda of EU competitiveness from surprising quarters.

    Helle Thorning -Schmidt, PM of Denmark –

    ” We were not keeping on top of productivity and competitiveness. Everything we thought about ourselves has disappeared in front of our eyes. We can’t have welfare states if we can’t afford them”.

    From a perhaps somewhat less surprising quarter-but adding nonetheless to a pleasing nodding of heads in EU:_

    Mark Rutte , Holland’s PM:_
    ” We’ll restore the dynamism of Europe , or there won’t be a Europe.

    And from Halbe Zilstra, parliamentary leader of Holland’s governing party :-
    “We are so incredibly happy that Cameron is engaging in this discussion”

    Throw in Merkel’s accommodating response & it looks like DC pressed the right buttons.

    THe general mood from business leaders in Davos seems to be a determination to see something more positive during this year.
    ECB monetary policy has certainly gone down well , taking fears of Spain & Italy off the board.
    Reports that EZ banks are repaying early on ECB’s 1 trillion euro three year loan scheme also add a degree of confidence that some stability has appeared.

    The collapse of US energy costs resulting from shale gas extraction has been a major talking point. US energy prices are now 20% to 25% of those in Japan & S Korea !.

  41. But the migrants in Benidorm are pensioners so don’t take up jobs, and bring money in through their UK pensions. Yes they take up housing, but if there’s one thing Spain’s not short of after the housing bubble collapsed is spare houses.

    Immigration can be useful it can also be harmful, that’s why I compare it to Aspirin, if you’ve got a problem that can be solved with Aspirin, but don’t take it when you don’t need to or you’ll get sick, and don’t take too much of it either.

    That’s why Clegg’s idea albeit ill thought out in practise of regional immigration was actually along the right lines, you don’t need anymore immigrants in the big cities, they are packed full, but there are parts of the country with elderly populations where they could use more workers.

    As I’ve said as well, it’s not about immigration in general, similar to the woman on question time, 3 of my grandparents are from other EU countries, the problem is such high immigration when we have a lack of resources.

    If we were an economy that just had too many jobs and not enough workers, then I’d be in favour of immigration too. But when public services are at breaking point, and people are struggling to make ends meet and find work, bringing even more people in is stupid.

    There are a lot of people suffering, or people with friends and family who are suffering, because of immigration, and to be told by someone in a nice cushy job that pays well that the suffering you are experiencing is a myth obviously provokes anger. Now if people really did threaten her with violence then thats a step too far, I was praising the fact that people weren’t resorting to violence. But I do fully agree with people making a few nasty comments (as long as that’s all they are) back at someone who has offended them so. I’m sure an ex miner would have quite some difficulty being civil were he given a platform to speak to Mrs Thatcher.

    The fact is the hurt Mrs Beard suffers from the name calling (ingoring the threats for 1 moment) will never be as hard as the hurt the policies she advocates inflicts on the working class and it is predominantly working class people who are badly effected. The upper/middle class and big business who get cheap Labour and nannies don’t feel the same pain.

  42. RE the topic of Mary Beard’s views on immigration, THe Times has an interesting report.

    Bristol UNiversity has done a study from the last Census which reveals what David Goodhart , director of DEmos , describes as “self segregation”.

    White populations in Reading, ( West Berks), Redbridge ( Essex) , and Bexley ( Kent ) have fallen by 12%, 30% & 7% respectively, whilst the white populations of the neighbouring non-urban areas rose by 2%, 2% & 4% respectively.

    Goodhart refers to what American’s call “sundown segregation”.

    Eric Kaufmann , Prof of politics at Birkbeck , University of LOndon is quoted as saying :
    ” If your country doesn’t have hard borders, you may get people creating their own boundaries below the level of the State.

    Presumably these demographic changes -together with their obverse-the increasing density of ethnic populations in urban areas, have implications for voting patterns-as well as the obvious concern about social cohesion.

  43. @ MitM

    Can you quote Mrs Beard regarding the policies which you say she advocates?

    I don’t think you can. Because she didn’t advocate any policies. She didn’t insult or disparage anybody. She didn’t give a personal view; she quoted from a report by Boston Council which contradicted the anecdotes.

  44. @MIM,

    You are quite entitled to believe (and state) that immigration is bad for the UK as long as you phrase it and treat others respectfully. Same goes with a wide range of other issues on political forums, such as abortion, the death penalty, tax evasion, feminism etc. etc.

    But I thought I would add my opinions to the debate….

    I’ve always supported immigration as without it how would we be able to fill up our hospitals with qualified doctors and nurses, our streets with road sweepers etc. Put simply, many immigrants work ‘blimming hard, despite the stereotype, and often do the jobs that other British people wouldn’t do.

    Now obviously immigration has to be controlled, otherwise how would we know who was entering or leaving the UK, especially in this era of worldwide terrorism. We need to protect UK security, and having a chaotic border system would not enable us to do this. But why have a specific numerical aim (i.e. to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands?) How would you arrive at such an arbitrary number? Sounds something a leader would do merely to gain popularity with the general public. Smacks of desperation IMO.

    One of my uni friends is Chinese. Before I knew him, I didn’t think about immigration much. But, to put a long story short, whilst he was studying in the UK….his mum became seriously ill with cancer. His parents were living in America….but the US embassy decided that he couldn’t go to see her during her last few weeks (on holiday) because he was considered a national security threat. I waited outside the US embassy when he was not granted right to holiday to America to see his mum. He couldn’t stop crying, and I felt totally powerless to help him. Shortly after, he was refused the right to go to her funeral. They dealt with him very coldly. A few months after his mother’s death, his British VISA was running out because he didn’t have a job offer. So the irony is that he applied for a Green Card on the basis that his family live in America and was granted permanent residency. But months after her funeral sadly.

    He now lives in New Jersey and I am going to see him this summer. He’s the sweetest guy you could ever meet. He would have been a great asset to the UK if he had been allowed to stay as he is such a hard worker. During this whole ordeal he was also very ill (and continues to be so) because he has aplastic anaemia. He gets tired very easily.

    So, asked which system I prefer – the harsh American immigration system where everyone is treated as a terrorist threat – or the more humane British one – despite it’s many flaws, I would choose the British one every time. My friend also used the National Health Service – another reason to be thankful we are British IMO.

  45. Ambi

    Since you’ve reneged on your very own plan to ignore me ‘cos I am so horrid [your response reTottingham losing to Leeds] may I recommend, for moments like this, when your team has suffered a horribly embarrassing loss to a lower league team [from Yorkshire of al places !!!!!!!] that you avail yourself of my FREE TIP [recently published above and number three in my popular series] and you will realise that it doesn’t really matter.

    [Especially to me of course.]

  46. Ambi

    Excellent and moving post.

  47. Put simply, my friend changed how I perceive others and the system. I now see the UK system as far from perfect…but what system is? Would I prefer the UK system…no way!

    It also changed how I saw Chinese people and the Chinese culture. I know Chinese people are seen as easy pickings at the moment (probably the only race/culture where you can openly disparage it publicly), but I realise that despite China’s many flaws (which ironically my friend, Cong openly admitted to me) it has many, many good points. The same goes with all cultures and peoples.

    And I say that as someone who considers himself a pragmatist.

  48. Colin

    could you post a link to this article or does it trip the auto mod? I think I’d find it a very interesting read.

    We’re not the first country to be split into white areas and non white areas. America and South Africa are both known for having areas with large black populations and then gated communities which are only white. There’s a whole part of London where every building has islamic writing on it.

    Can’t say I’m surprised to see Bexley to have the white population falling either, what used to be a Tory bastion is witnessing an ethnic spillover from Lewisham and Greenwich, while the white tories flee closer to the core of Kent.

  49. @ Colin

    Lots of cities have had ‘China Towns’ for aeons. Nobody ever said it was a problem until now. I’ve spent Chinese New Year in China Town London, Vancouver, San Francisco & other cities which aren’t in Asia!

  50. @Paul Croft,

    Thanks.

    “Since you’ve reneged on your very own plan to ignore me ‘cos I am so horrid [your response reTottingham losing to Leeds] may I recommend, for moments like this, when your team has suffered a horribly embarrassing loss to a lower league team [from Yorkshire of al places !!!!!!!] that you avail yourself of my FREE TIP [recently published above and number three in my popular series] and you will realise that it doesn’t really matter.

    [Especially to me of course.]

    I realise life is too short to bear a grudge over something as silly as politics/debates, especially as we don’t even really know each other (internet doesn’t count). So, yes, feel free.

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