This morning’s YouGov poll for the Sun had topline figures of CON 32%, LAB 42%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 9%.

There weren’t any questions on the specifics of the Autumn statement, but YouGov did update some general economic trackers. 24% of people now think George Osborne is doing a good job as Chancellor, a poor rating, but significantly up on the 15% approval rating YouGov recorded for him back in June. People think the government are managing the economy badly by 58% to 35%, but again this is up slightly from before the statement when the figures were 60% badly, 30% well.

Negative ratings do not, of course, necessarily imply that people would prefer the alternative. Osborne continues to lead Balls on who would make the better Chancellor by 31% to 25% and asked how they think the economy would be doing if Labour had won the last election, 38% of people think it would be doing even more badly compared to 24% who think it would be doing better.

Asked about the state of the economy, people remained extremely pessimistic. Only 17% of people think the economic is starting to recover or is actually recovering, 45% of people think the economy is still getting worse. Views have got more negative since YouGov last asked, but that was straight after the positive GDP figures, so it’s largely the fading of the brief couple of weeks of economic optimism we saw after last month’s figures.


173 Responses to “YouGov/Sun – CON 32, LAB 42, LD 10, UKIP 9”

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  1. @ chrislane1945 “Next year universities can reserve places for students whose Mummy and Daddy can pay the 27K up front.”
    Do you have a link to info on this?
    My understanding was that the universities would always get their money so would be indifferent about whether it came from the parents, the Student Loans Company, or some other sponsor.

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  2. Labour will be rather disappointed that the lead has gone down back into the 10% region after a good fortnight or so when it was higher. Perhaps Osborne’s performance & Balls’s perceived weak response has helped a little though the effect may well wear off.
    I’m most amused that the CAPTCHA code for this is “8ACE” – a well-known drunken character from Viz!

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  3. THe redoubtable , and always pithy John Mann has made interesting comments on Mr Ball’s future.

    John Mann should always be listened to -especially by Conservatives.

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  4. Darwins ‘Descent of Man’ is considered to be controversial, with some saying that it is racially prejudiced.

    I suspect most people have not read it, including myself, but may have seen various sections quoted.

    Is there something from the book that is relevant to todays news or polling ?

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  5. “THe redoubtable , and always pithy John Mann has made interesting comments on Mr Ball’s future.”

    Yep – article on Daily Wail website, so it must be true.

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  6. Colin
    Just to be pedantic, but Billy Bob is right – Fitness refers only to the ability to propagate your genetic code.
    I.e Survive long enough to reproduce.

    It doesn’t matter if the individual survives in the environment, as long as the DNA is passed on – which is why there are many selection criteria that have nothing to do with the individual – kin selection, etc

    It’s why parents are quite happy to put their children’s survival above their own, why sterile insects die for their queen, etc

    ‘We’ are not the ones whose survival is what evolution is about – we are merely vehicles for our DNA.

    I recommend ‘The Selfish Gene’ by Dawkins, which gives a proper overview of ‘Gene-level’ selection.

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  7. In fact, viruses are the interesting one in evolutionary terms because they don’t actually reproduce themselves – other species reproduce them through infected cells.
    So it turns out that laziness is the best survival technique. ;)

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  8. “Survive long enough to reproduce.”
    I should’ve made this clearer – survive long enough to reproduce your genetic code.
    It doesn’t matter if the genes are actually physically in the individual, as long as those genes survive.

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  9. Tinged

    @”Just to be pedantic, but Billy Bob is right – Fitness refers only to the ability to propagate your genetic code.
    I.e Survive long enough to reproduce.
    It doesn’t matter if the individual survives in the environment, as long as the DNA is passed on ”

    But you cannot replicate unless you survive to breeding age.

    Fitness is a poor word.

    THe key is adaptation to conditions such that survival is possible. Once that is assured, reproduction/replication is assured.

    Adaptation is randomly achieved, by sometimes tiny mutation of genes -the ability to crack slightly larger/smaller seeds; the ability to survive colder/hotter climate; the ability to forage/digest changed vegetation types.

    Yes I have many of Dawkin’s books & am aware of his concentration on the Gene.

    It is a controversial subject, and others think he misses wider influences on speciation.

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  10. OZWALD

    If it isn’t true I would be obliged for your references.

    John Mann rarely says something which isn’t worth listening to-mostly tearing Conservative policies to pieces.

    He is a stalwart in supporting IPSA & the reason for it’s existence, despite the constant efforts of some MPs-aided & abetted by The Speaker-to go back to more relaxed & rewarding times.

    He deserves some sort of medal.

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  11. This article is a bit of a puff piece but its interesting all the same, Iceland is not doing as well as the article implies but is well on the way to recovery

    http://azizonomics.com/2012/12/08/the-icelandic-success-story/

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  12. @ Ozwald

    I like Daily Wail! No doubt its fearless investigative journalists are perfecting their Welfare Scrounger stories to soften up the public before the debate on cutting welfare benefits.

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  13. @R Huckle – “Darwins ‘Descent of Man’ is considered to be controversial, with some saying that it is racially prejudiced.

    I suspect most people have not read it, including myself, but may have seen various sections quoted.”

    I haven’t read the entire book but did study it many years ago, and this isn’t my memory. There is discussion of ‘savages’ and ‘civilised’ societies, but Darwin was always clear on his central thought that the observed differences between races did not constitute speciation and that therefore humans were all of a single kind.

    I always felt that this was critical, as it was very much a minority view at the time. In the context of the time this is very significant, as the majority of thinkers took Darwin’s work to ‘prove’ white Europeans were naturally superior, while Darwin himself so no biological difference that could explain different levels of social development. In this sense, he stood out against what we now call racism.

    There is clearly a language he used about social development which we wouldn’t use today, but again, context is everything. His observations that ‘savage’ societies would in due course be subverted by civilisation was more of an observation of reality rather than a moral judgement on what was best or worst.

    I’m sure there may be passages in the book that when quoted in 2012 do not read well, but when his record as a whole is looked at, I don’t think Darwin can justifiably be termed ‘nasty’. He remains probably this nations greatest ever thinker.

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  14. @Robbiealive
    “Scrounger stories”

    I am sure you are correct. Perhaps I should rush to my newsagent and order regular copies.

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  15. @Colin

    Finches are tiny nimble vegetarians on the whole, and very lovely, no sign of them evolving into monster carnivores at present. I don’t see a relevence to the development of buccaneering capitalism.

    There is nothing to prevent dominant species hurtling towards a dead end by virtue of competition… many biologists have concluded that our actions are creating a mass extinction event. Perhaps the Social Darwinist response would be for a select few to skedaddle off to another habitable planet… or create a dystopia under sealed domes?

    If you had said ‘adapt or die’, rather than ‘compete or die’ it would have been a different discussion. Socal Darwinism likes to declare itself sole arbiter; it doesn’t like the idea that other theories of sociocultural evotion might prove better adapted to our needs.

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  16. Chrislane @ Coin

    Secondary education is enough for plebs to function in society servicing the elite. The elite can promote the survival of their genes by ensuring their progeny compete through educational advantage.

    “I know my place.” ??

    SLAB call free tertiary education a “Universal Benefit”.

    There is no such thing and the SNP are foolish to accept the loaded language of their opponents.

    The FM says “soverignty comes from the people” in Scotland.

    “Benefit”, cognate with “benefice” is bestowed by the grace and favour of a ruler, bishop, landowner or factor.

    If your boss takes the staff (maybe not the cleaner) to the pub at the end of the year or project, that’s a benefit.

    If a group of colleagues go to the pub and put money in a kitty, that’s a purchasers co-operative arrangement.

    If your plumber has a degree in music, potentially we all gain.

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  17. John B Dick

    If your plumber has a degree in music, potentially we all gain.

    Of course – have you never heard Purcell’s Trumpet Voluntary played on the waste pipe?

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  18. Barnaby Marder

    “Labour will be rather disappointed that the lead has gone down back into the 10% region after a good fortnight or so when it was higher. Perhaps Osborne’s performance & Balls’s perceived weak response has helped a little though the effect may well wear off.”

    If they are disappointed, or were previously elated, or both, they would do well to ponder on Anthony’s explanations of MOE.

    If they think every percieved win/lose at PMQ changes VI they should remember that it seen by few, nearly all of whom will already be committed and interpret it from a partisan perspective reinforcing their existing view,

    Most of those who read reports of commentators will be more aware of political evens on I’m a celebrity.

    Do you ever travel by train?

    Do you see people read the headlines, have a quick glance at Page 3 and turn to the sport?

    What changes VI is something that affects people directly and personally, or a very sustained narrative of omnishambles, or the contrast between rhetoric (all in it together) and reality: things that are not transitory, but in the backgound all the time against which new information is measured with a presumtion that it is consistent.

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  19. John Pilgrim @ John B Dick

    “– have you never heard Purcell’s Trumpet Voluntary played on the waste pipe?”

    It’s by Jeremiah Clarke and can’t be played on a natural tumpet.

    Is it for the English slide trumpet or the organ trumpet stop? I can’t remember. Probably the former.

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  20. Alec:
    “(Darwin) remains probably this nations greatest ever thinker.”

    That’s quite a claim for a nation that produced Newton and Clerk-Maxwell.

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  21. Actually, he’ld be more likely to play it to the cleaner than to the others, so perhaps we would not all gain:

    “Where’s everyone gone, then, Girtie?
    “All p-ssed off to the pub with old Smartey Boots, haven’t they?
    They never! Girtie!
    What!
    You ever heard Trumpet Voluntary played on the waste pipe?
    You’re having me on! Go on then, you devil! I’ll brew up a cuppa.

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  22. ALEC

    Good post-I agree.

    BILLYBOB

    @” I don’t see a relevence to the development of buccaneering capitalism.”

    Nor do I -erm I think it was you that introduced “Social Darwinism” into a conversation about employment & industrial competitiveness.

    @” many biologists have concluded that our actions are creating a mass extinction event.”

    THey have indeed-see Hawaii-man’s crowning achievement in the destruction of other species.

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  23. For reasons one can only speculate on, Alex Salmond has a lower popularity rating with women voters.

    English readers may not be aware that there is one politician in Scotland with an even higher positive approval rating who it is thought to be particularly attractive to females.

    http://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/shows/politician-elected-as-the-best-once-again.19544291

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