This morning’s YouGov poll for the Sun had topline figures of CON 32%, LAB 42%, LDEM 10%, UKIP 9%.

There weren’t any questions on the specifics of the Autumn statement, but YouGov did update some general economic trackers. 24% of people now think George Osborne is doing a good job as Chancellor, a poor rating, but significantly up on the 15% approval rating YouGov recorded for him back in June. People think the government are managing the economy badly by 58% to 35%, but again this is up slightly from before the statement when the figures were 60% badly, 30% well.

Negative ratings do not, of course, necessarily imply that people would prefer the alternative. Osborne continues to lead Balls on who would make the better Chancellor by 31% to 25% and asked how they think the economy would be doing if Labour had won the last election, 38% of people think it would be doing even more badly compared to 24% who think it would be doing better.

Asked about the state of the economy, people remained extremely pessimistic. Only 17% of people think the economic is starting to recover or is actually recovering, 45% of people think the economy is still getting worse. Views have got more negative since YouGov last asked, but that was straight after the positive GDP figures, so it’s largely the fading of the brief couple of weeks of economic optimism we saw after last month’s figures.


173 Responses to “YouGov/Sun – CON 32, LAB 42, LD 10, UKIP 9”

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  1. Usual partisanship in ‘who does better’ figures.

    This poll shews no effect of Statement on VI so we conclude something far more dramatic is needed for that.

    I thought people looked bemused on the vox pops I saw.

  2. Howard,

    Shewerly some mistake there!

    Peter.

  3. “Negative ratings do not, of course, necessarily imply that people would prefer the alternative. Osborne continues to lead Balls on who would make the better Chancellor by 31% to 25% and asked how they think the economy would be doing if Labour had won the last election, 38% of people think it would be doing even more badly compared to 24% who think it would be doing better”
    ________

    Despite Labour leading in the polls they are still in need of some curb appeal around trust.

  4. Peter

    Que?

  5. Allan and Peter

    Just checked again and it says what it says. Con voters think Osborne better, Labour think Balls, Lib Dems are as usual confused (55% don’t know). DK’s in fairness often mean ‘neither of these’ so it means they have forgotten that Alexander is part of it all or they are just embarrassed about all that.

  6. I’m really confused now.

    Without seeing Anthonys post, I would have assumed that the survey report merely asked the questions about kind of society as appears on the yougov website http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/endnm0f9yc/YG-Archive-Pol-Sun-results-061212.pdf

    Please can anyone tell me where these hidden trackers will have been published ? I don’t want to go to the S*n website which is why I go direct to yougov.

  7. Chordata
    I merely followed the second link in AW’s report.

  8. Peter
    I just clicked with your post. I suppose Scots do not shew their use of English in the way that I do, but I am writing English, believe me! :-)

    As shewn in the dictionary. :-)

  9. Howard – yeah, I did too but just wondered why there was a difference between what was on the main yougov site and what Anthony posted if it was all polled as part of the same poll.

    Hopefully he will come and tell us and end the mystery :)

  10. On the nurse
    I did not want to be the first on this but I think the writing is on the wall for Cameron if he continues in the way he has on the press.

    My wife and i feel sick about this and if the voters feel as we do, no protection is too much for ordinary people who are victimised by this dreadful ‘Australian’ fashion of press work.

    Am I wrong on this or will we see a ‘Dowler’ effect on voters?

  11. @Peter

    Now try getting used to “outwith”

    rgdsm

  12. Fwiw “shew” is an archaic form of “show” appearing in the 1611 King James Bible, “shewbread” is still in use in some circles. Thomas Carlyle prefered “shew” into the 1840s, but most have long given it up.

    Here it is Holinshed’s Chronicles: “My speech is plaine, without any rhetoricall shew of eloquence, hauing rather a regard to simple truth, than to decking words.”

    I’m guessing Sir Ernest Gowers would have come down on it pretty hard back in1954 as he was generally very much against the use of obsolete, stilted, far-fetched, “starchy”, or legalistic words when communicating with the general public.

    Howard has his reasons no doubt.

    On the other hand “outwith” I am happy to see in use by Scottish posters, but I would be interested to know its proper use… is it limited to denoting matters outside Scotland/Glascow/Edinburgh ect? Was Jo Swinson right to use it the other day in a UK context? I wouldn’t like to see it catch on because it sounds archaic to my ear, but that is just a personal opinion.

  13. Howard,

    We have been here before with Ross and Andrew Sachs. Pranks and jokes can go wrong and this one clearly has.

    I think tragic though this is we need to make a distinction between a joke going wrong and a malicious or devious act for profit.

    Tabloids raking through people’s bins to see if they can make a story out of what underwear they buy is worse than two people trying to be funny and making a terrible mistake.

    However, like you I am not sure the public will see it that way, so I suspect it will have an impact in the polls.

    Peter.

  14. I thought “outwith” was the opposite of “within”. “Without” is also used for this sometimes (“…There is a green hill far away, without a city wall…”), but not so much these days

    rgdsm

  15. MARTYN

    I suppose, technically, it’s the opposite of “inwith”.

    This purse hath she inwith her bosom hid. (Chaucer)

  16. Howard
    Probably not appropriate to comment on the nurse as we don’t know her background medical problems, except to say suicide is almost never a single issue event.
    As I understand it the Australian calls were made by a local radio station as a silly prank not the press.
    As for the press issue well we all have a point of view mine being different from yours, how much support for the Hacked off campaign has been slightly skewed by politicians urging there supporters to vote on the on line campaign, nothing wrong with that you may say but you could argue it could encourage people to vote on political grounds rather than any deep seated resentment of the press.
    I do notice the Hacked off on line vote has lost some momentum, of course it may pick up again I’m not sure it has gained enough momentum to cause Cameron any problems in the long term it will depend on what emerges from the Press owners I suppose.
    To put it in perspective regarding recent on line polls the Badger issue before it was ended has attracted more supporters then the Hack off campaign to date, of course you could argue Dr May was successful but only in winning a reprieve to next year.
    However we can both agree that the loss of a loved one from any cause is very sad for there family and friends.

  17. Ummmm…Ross & Brand was a BBC tv/radio prank.

    The Australian trick was pulled by a DJ from a radio station.

    Why should the public blame the written Press ?

  18. ……………..unless “Australian” always equates to “Murdoch”, and “Press” always equates to Newspapers .

    ……….in which case 2DAY FM becomes a Murdoch newspaper .

  19. Howard,I too was very upset about the death of the nurse..I find it very hard to believe that she was not reprimanded by the hospital,whatever they may say now.IMO the press went into complete hysterical overdrive about the whole
    Event.I am quite sure that the royal family,like any other family,would not have
    Wished her pregnancy to be announced until she was past the twelve week
    Stage as prior to this there is a one in five risk of miscarriage.The whole thing
    Was too silly for words,hushed voices discussing morning sicknes etc.And
    Now a tragedy.The press really do need to get their house in order.

  20. I think that had the hospital telephone call prank come from the UK media, then any notions of an unregulated press would be toast. As it is, the fact that it was radio and Australian is something of a relief to UK editors, but they will be deeply concerned about the timing of this.

    As @Turk suggests, there is a hideously tragic and personal story amongst all this, but I suspect the significant distinctions of who did the act will be lost on many of the public who will just pick up the message of ‘nurse dies after media stunt’.

    Sentiment is rarely driven by logic, and I suspect it will be another difficult day for those trying to argue that the press should be left to look after themselves.

  21. @Turk – “…the Badger issue before it was ended….”

    According to my snouts in the setts, it’s only just begun mate.

    You mind and lock your doors at night.

  22. HOWARD

    I never looked at the tables but having looked at them now then yes you are correct and those questioned have gone along the party lines.

    I hope the ginger one doesn’t escape the public’s eye though!! ;)

  23. Colin

    You got it. The voters aren’t like you or me. It’s what defines attitudes that matters in VI,. I could be wrong but i doubt whether voters distinguish between ‘media’ (meejuh, remember) , ‘press’, ‘TV’ – it’s what my Dutch friends call ‘all one cup of coffee’. Not without reason, if your prepared to tap a dead girl’s telephone, you are prepared to do what these naive but also venomous loose canons have done here.

    I may be wrong of course, but I believe this event will have big influence on voting intentions, as time goes by. Of course, as time goes on, other factors will come into play. She had a foreign name, there is the issue of attitudes to immigrants, even if she was born here, (I doubt that, I’ve heard her voice, which was probably why she was so easily duped).

    It has the potential, I put it no stronger than that, to be of great influence. These are my thoughts, apart from the very great sense of revulsion I have for what has happened. I regard it as an obscenity in the true sense of the word, but that is aside from the effect on voters. If you remember I have very strong feelings about certain people in the meejuh..

  24. I don’t know all the facts about the tragic events surrounding the nurse but if her suicide was linked to the hoax call then she was probably petrified of the upcoming media frenzy from the tabloids trying to expose who she was.

  25. HOWARD

    @”She had a foreign name, there is the issue of attitudes to immigrants, even if she was born here, (I doubt that, I’ve heard her voice, which was probably why she was so easily duped).”

    Did she?. Your leap from there to-wherever it is you’ ve leaped to betrays an attitude to people beyond your garden wall which , though I have become used to , still has the ability to generate a nasty taste in my throat.

    @”These are my thoughts, ”

    Yes-I know they are Howard.

  26. @Howard

    Sad that the nurse has died but I feel very sorry for the Australian journalists who clearly had no intention of causing this damage. Hopefully in future the UK won’t need foreign nurses or doctors.

  27. When one knows very little about something like this I think its best to wait to make public comments until such a time as one does. The death is just very sad and unnecessary.

  28. ALEC

    @”those trying to argue that the press should be left to look after themselves.”

    I have not seen anyone of significance or relevance who has argues that.

    ANN IN WALES

    Nothing is going to restore this poor woman to her children -and nothing we say helps.

    2DAYFM have this on their conscience-if they have one.

    But after those people, my thoughts , like yours, turned to her employer.

  29. I might be missing something, but why on earth would a stupid prank by an Australian radio station have any effect whatsoever on what voters think of any British political party? I can’t see any connection at all.
    If the Autumn statement, which affects people in the pocket, has little or no discernible effect, how can this?

  30. Alec

    I’ll pass on your thoughts to the setts on my property, maybe the should lock there doors at night. Mind how you go.

  31. PAULCROFT

    I have spotted a few spelling & grammar mistakes and unnecessary excessive use of apostrophes on this thread yet you have not highlighted them.

    Slipping up old bean.

    lmfao ;)

  32. Can anybody doubt that the intent of the DJ’s phone call was to cause confusion & embarrassment to an ordinary worker going about their job? This was not an off-the-cuff prank which went wrong. It was a considered stunt, about which they took legal advice. Sadly, they did not consider whether it could cost an ordinary, working person their dignity & self-esteem to be on the receiving end of it!

    If the investigation shows that the callous actions of the broadcasters contributed to the nurse’s death, I hope the program loses its license. It is already on probation, according to the Gruan’s report. And loss of license is a sanction which is not available when the print media behave in an intolerable way; it should be!

  33. Wolf,I read your comment with such incredulity that I can only hope that you
    Are being sarcastic.As far as I can see it is only foreign nurses and doctors who keep the NHS going.

  34. Al:

    Dear Scotch chum.

    FOYT

  35. @SoCalLberal

    Thanks for the link to Beverley Park on the previous thread, I guess if I lived there I’d want to hang out with Mark Wahlberg, then again maybe not, but I liked him in The Departed and at least he has the authentic Boston mannah of speaking… (keep repeating “pahk ya cah in Hahvahd Yahd”), plus I reckon he for one voted Obama.

    I was having a read of the New Republic analysis of Romney’s internal polling (massively underestimating Democrat turnout) – the polling which convinced him to only bother preparing a victory speech:

    h
    ttp://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/110597/exclusive-the-polls-made-mitt-romney-think-hed-win#

    … which made me wonder what ever happened to Frank Luntz? The Republican pollster/strategist seems to be a permanent fixture of our general election coverage these days – he usually holes up with a focus group of swing voters somwhere in Essex, and tries out a variety of emotion laden electoral messages on them.

    Anyway he seemed to have taken a back seat on the polling/strategy front and was hired for by CBS for commentary instead, then someone noticed that he had received a retainer from Romney’s running mate… which helped to explain why he (alone) called the VP debate for Ryan, and kept stressing the popularity of his buget plan with voters.

  36. @SoCalLberal

    Thanks for the link to Beverley Park on the previous thread, I guess if I lived there I’d want to hang out with Mark Wahlberg, then again maybe not, but I liked him in The Departed and at least he has the authentic Boston mannah of speaking… plus I reckon he for one voted Obama.

    I was having a read of the New Republic analysis of Romney’s internal polling (massively underestimating Democrat turnout) – the polling which convinced him to only bother preparing a victory speech:

    h
    ttp://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/110597/exclusive-the-polls-made-mitt-romney-think-hed-win#

    … which made me wonder what ever happened to Frank Luntz? The Republican pollster/strategist seems to be a permanent fixture of our general election coverage these days – he usually holes up with a focus group of swing voters somwhere in Essex, and tries out a variety of emotion laden electoral messages on them.

    Anyway he seemed to have taken a back seat on the polling/strategy front and was hired for by CBS for commentary instead, then someone noticed that he had received a retainer from Romney’s running mate… which helped to explain why he (alone) called the VP debate for Ryan, and kept stressing the popularity of his buget plan with voters.

  37. AMBER STAR

    Totally agree with you and similar stunts have been done in the UK with Asda and Tesco workers although thankfully without the same outcome.

    All intended to be funny and give us a good laugh but at the end of the line lies an ordinary person being chucked into the public limelight for being an apparent fool.
    ….

    “And loss of license is a sanction which is not available when the print media behave in an intolerable way; it should be!”
    __

    Absolutely.

  38. @SoCalLiberal

    What did I do?

    Hopefully a post to you will pop out of moderation hereabouts sometime.

  39. @Amber Star

    Some people think there is a connection between this story and an allegation that the FBI regularly spies on all US emails.

  40. PAULCROFT

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    Our premium wines are crafted to express what we call a “Retro-Burgundian” style: minimal new oak barrel exposure and low fermentation’s give the wines the opportunity to express their true core of fruit, as well as their environment.

    Enjoy a bottle of our award winning Meritage, Chardonnay or Mt Veeder Cabernet Sauvignon from our Foyt Family Wines collection – and the memories will surely flow.
    _____

    Good taste btw.

  41. As soon as we heard the tape on the radio played, we could see how easy it would be to fool a person on the phone with English as their second language. Keep the views coming on what will be the effect on people’s attitudes. I am already totally amazed at one or two of the attitudes and interpretations already expressed here. I always maintain that the comments club here is outside the norm but, reading some of the above, I am not so sure. I suppose the apparent insularity and wooden reception is typical of the population as a whole.

    We shall see in the coming weeks. My point is that I do not think (unlike the Chancellor’s Statement) it will go away in terms of effect on voters’ views..

  42. @ Wolf

    Some people think there is a connection between this story and an allegation that the FBI regularly spies on all US emails.
    —————————
    You usually post very clear & concise views but I am not ‘getting’ some of the points which you’ve made today.
    8-)

  43. @Turk – “I’ll pass on your thoughts to the setts on my property, maybe the should lock there doors at night. Mind how you go.”

    Badgers can be very aggressive on issues of grammar.

  44. @ Billy Bob (from the previous thread)

    “Holdenby about 80 miles down the M1 to London… or get to Northampton for a train to Euston Station.

    Will get back to you about other posts.”

    Thank you. That’s not that far at all. That sounds like a possible day trip. I don’t know when I’ll next get to visit the UK but I’m going to put that on my list.

  45. Hi SoCalLiberal,

    I wrote a reply about Beverley Park, then went on to The New Republic article from last week (Romney’s internal polling), and from there to Frank Luntz (who gets a lot of airtime here during UK general elections) and the Paul Ryan connection, but it went into moderation… you probably get the drift though.

  46. So did that one… now it’s popped out, oh to fathom the logic of auto-mod.

  47. WOLF

    “Hopefully in future the UK won’t need foreign nurses or doctors.”

    Why would that be?

  48. Wolf/John,

    More to the point why would we want it… tens of thousands of foreign nationals have worked successfully in the NHS for a generation or more.

    Is anyone seriously suggesting that we should change that because of this incident.

    That comes across a bit like;

    “I’m not racist but…..well, we’ve all heard the stories and I know this guy and he said…….”

    Peter.

  49. @LASZLO

    On the needs thing…

    I agree values may derived from my needs, but they may also be derived from the needs of others. Empathy, as Tinged mentioned. True, we may be limited in our perspective owing to our experience, but overcoming limitations like that is a reason for adopting a more scientific approach.

    More generally, your needs and experience may indeed lead you to error, to drawing false conclusions.You may call that bias but it isn’t really. It’s just a mistake. New evidence, if valid, should correct that. If it doesn’t, then you really do have a bias problem.

  50. PETE B

    If the Autumn statement, which affects people in the pocket, has little or no discernible effect….

    —————

    If the cuts keep being mostly targeted at the same people, what else would you expect? …

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