In what little political news is sneaking through the Olympic media dominance the Boris bandwagon is rolling. Back in May at the time of the mayoral elections YouGov asked a couple of questions on Boris as Tory leader, asking a hypothetical “how would you vote with Boris as leader” question and whether people thought Boris was suited to being Prime Minister. Back then Boris did marginally worse than David Cameron on voting intention, and only 24% of people saw Boris as suited to the job of PM.

YouGov repeated the same questions again yesterday, and found significant improvement in Boris’s figures. On the control question of how people would vote if the party leaders at the next election remained Cameron, Miliband and Clegg the figures were CON 34%, LAB 40%, LDEM 10%*, if the leaders were Johnson, Miliband and Clegg the figures change to CON 37%, LAB 38%, LDEM 10% – narrowing the gap by 5 points.

On being suited to the role of Prime Minister Boris has also seen his stock rise. 36% of people now think he is suited to being PM (up from 24%), 54% do not. On the same batch of questions Ed Miliband has also seen as rise since May, 31% of people now think he is suited to being PM (up from 25%), compared to 59% who think he isn’t (down from 62%).

(*Asking how people would vote at the next election if the leaders remain as they are today still gives a significantly different picture to asking the standard voting intention question, which is interesting in its own right. It could be a positive Cameron effect, a negative Miliband effect, or just the impact of asking “at the next election”, almost as if some respondents give a protest answer now, but say they’ll actually end up doing something different. Hmm.)


237 Responses to “Boris’s Olympic boost”

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  1. I don’t label “everybody” at all, as you are well aware.It has simply been a general experience throughout my life.

    If a poll was conducted in Scotland as to whether they would prefer Italy, Australia etc etc etc etc to win against England or the other way around my beilef is that the former would come out on top. It makes am somewhat sad.

    I have no prejudice against any of the UK countries: by and large, and rather obviously, I feel I have a great deal in common with them all British people.

    I s’pose its too early for me to suggest cocoa?

    pAul

    ps great to see Arsenal.s Aaron Ramsey playing so well for GB.

  2. By the way I totally agree with nationalistic commentary – makes me turn the sound down.

  3. The curse of the page turn: the above directed at my chum OleNat. No idea hoe I got “me” as “am” – probably ‘cos I’m watching footy.

    Nice to contrast the polite, considered response from RAF to that of ON I thought….

    “never knowingly less than abrasive”

  4. PAULCROFT

    Glad to hear that you don’t label everyone. I was misled by your words. Why did you say that “the Scots” wanted anyone and everyone to beat England?

    You must admit that those words gave a misleading impression of your views.

  5. PAULCROFT

    One of the problems of being cocooned is that you can’t see how your own words can be abrasive.

    Look back at your original post and substitute “Blacks”, “Gays”, “French” or “German”. Since, stereotyping the latter two seem quite “normal” in the UK media, you wouldn’t worry about them, but perhaps the first two might embarrass you – or not?

  6. Yeah, you probably missed the caveat “more often than not” which, until a poll is coducted is unprovable and just simply my own experience – and that of others I’ve discussed it with.

    I repeat – I strongly believe that a majority of Scots people would prefer “anyone but England” in any sporting contest and, even if its just a substantial minority, I think its rather sad.

  7. On a Boris/London/Olympics, thread this discussion of the gains/losses to the UK of having a global city within it seems apposite.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-19125081

  8. PAUL CROFT

    “and that of others I’ve discussed it with”.

    Ah yes! The old “All my pals think the same as me” argument! :-)

  9. @ RAF

    Hewitt had the same sort of issues with his hips that Rafa is having with his knees (very sad for him & his fans that he misses Wimbledon & the Olympics). So LH’s hip thing was a factor, as well as his height.

    I will never forget LH’s US open final against Sampras. Everybody expected LH to be soundly beaten; instead he won in straight sets 7-6, 6-1, 6-1. And his offensive baseline style changed men’s tennis into the game which it is now, IMO.

    The 20 year old Aussie had found the play needed to meet the challenge of ‘huge serve, follow it to the net just in case it isn’t an ace’ tennis which had become awfully boring to watch.

    Apologies for the huge digression on a politics site but I am a bit of a tennis fan.

  10. ON:

    I am stopping this ‘cos you are just too silly for an apparent grown-up.

    . In which way do you, anonymous OldNat, somehow KNOW that I am “cocooned”? What gives you the right to say that? Why when earlier comments from RAF, and others [which I simply responded to in a very reasoned manner] and in which they suggested that it is Scots who regarded as British more than the English, that you didn’t use that tone with them?

    The really irritating thing is that in replying to this nonsense I caused Ramsey to miss his second penalty.

  11. Amber

    ” I am a bit of a tennis fan”. So was my auntie – she refused to answer the door or the phone when Wimbledon was on!

    Apropos of nothing – I got to hold my latest grandson today after finally leaving hospital (being very premature).

    Chuffed!

  12. PAULCROFT

    I “know” nothing about you. This is the internet.

    For all I know, you are an 80 year old woman in Achiltibuie.

    All I have to go on are the words you type.

  13. Olympics

    Can anything be better than this pic?

    https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/231828530932109312/photo/1

  14. @ Old Nat

    Apropos of nothing – I got to hold my latest grandson today after finally leaving hospital (being very premature).
    ————————
    That’s wonderful; I am very happy for you that he’s doing well. :-)

  15. Amber

    Ta.

  16. @ RAF

    “I’m sure Andy Murray does consider himself a Brit as well as a Scot. The problem is that were there an English Brit against a Scottish Brit, the English would generally favour the English Brit regardless of how good the Scottish Brit happened to be. There’s also been a tendency of English people to use the terms England and Britain interchangeably as if,they,are one and the same. Further, Andy has always been British when he wins and Scottish when he loses. For these reasons I think AS’s comments are fair.

    Possibly because of my own identity and/or mixed heritage, I don’t much go in for nationalism of any kind. As Plato said, it’s based on a nonsense anyway. And,while,it may well be acquired human nature to follow your country,or countries and,hope their representatives do well (as,i, invariably do), a genuine sports fan always wants the best competitor to win.”

    Well I don’t go for nationalism either. I don’t think it’s a nationalist act to root for your country’s team or individual competitors competing on behalf of your country. People are allowed to pick and choose who they root for regardless of their heritage.

    Murray will always be both British and Scottish to me whether he loses or wins.

  17. @ Old Nat

    Stan Collymore says he’ll stand as an MP against Aidan Burnley, if the Tories put AB forward as a candidate. There now, see how we brought this back to politics…
    8-)

  18. For anyone wishing to keep an eye on the latest the bandwagon-o-meter readings, the Beeb broadcast a profile of B Johnson earlier this evening, Tim Montgomerie especially effusive – he really seems to think the Olympics may mark a turning point for Boris, the Tory party, and their chances of winning an OM with him as leader – Michael Howard and others less so:

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    ttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ldg65/Profile_04_08_2012/

    @SoCalLiberal

    Managed to track down a Philippes vs Coles French Dip Round 2 tread on yelp.com LA pages, so now I do know what you are talking about. ;)

  19. @ Paul Croft

    “As I’ve commented previously, more often than not, with Scots its not just that THEY want to beat England [understandable] but that they want anybody and everybody to beat England.”

    That is not true. Jim Murphy put up an England car flag for England’s soccer team during the 2010 World Cup. Or maybe it was for England’s cricket team. Either way.

  20. SOCALLIBERAL

    “I don’t think it’s a nationalist act to root for your country’s team or individual competitors competing on behalf of your country. People are allowed to pick and choose who they root for regardless of their heritage.”

    Wholly agree. However, it’s not just a nationalist response. Barney Crockett and I share a pleasure that people from our part of Scotland have done well (there may be a similar response in the USA if someone from your county or state does well).

    In the same way, I root for members of the European Ryder Cup team against the USA regardless of where in Europe they come from.

    We all have multiple identities, and will tend to support any sporting person with whom we can form some form of link (while we slob on the couch watching them on TV :-) ).

  21. Amber

    Politics. Yay!!

  22. SoCal
    Agree with your last comment entirely-which is why Salmond came across as soo wrong with his comments re Scolympians.

  23. SoCal: I wasn’t discussing what ONE person did but what has become so common that its known by its initials,
    .
    Despite ON’s best[??] efforts I didn’t invent this phenomenen

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8733373.stm

  24. Damn, Team USA loses the waterpolo match to Serbia 11-6. I think I’ll take this time to track down the players’ Twitter accounts so that I can send them obnoxious, angry, personally disparaging, and harassing tweets, possibly laced with bigoted slurs. Because what’s a better way to spend a Saturday afternoon? J/k. :)

    Actually, it’s not that bad for us. We’ve still earned a spot in the playoffs. I feel like it’s better to lose here (no team is going to go completely undefeated on the way to a medal).

    Just watched (on tape delay) Great Britain win the gold medal over the Aussies in 4 man rowing. Yay Team GB!

    U.S. wins Bronze. :)

    @ Billy Bob

    “Managed to track down a Philippes vs Coles French Dip Round 2 tread on yelp.com LA pages, so now I do know what you are talking about.”

    Lol. I have never eaten at P.E. Coles but they’ve reopened and I may try them out next week.

    Phillipes is really cool and should be at the top of your places to go to list if you ever go to LA. It’s been around forever and it’s got a great atmosphere with a clientele that represents a wide crosssection of LA, all waiting in line together. I love the sawdust on the floors and the unupdated decor too.

    The food is creative too, you don’t have to stick to one basic beef dip. You can get additional toppings (including bleu cheese) on your French dips there and they have more than just a beef dip (they’ve got turkey dips, lamb dips, and pork dips). I also reccomend a slice of their Boston Cream Pie (or any of their deserts are good….even if you’re like me and don’t eat desert anymore, it’s worth it as a tourist). Only criticism is that their sandwiches aren’t all that filling.

  25. PAUL CROFT

    You should probably have read that article before posting the link.

    “a recent YouGov/Daily Mail poll which suggested that while 24% would support any opponent of England, the same proportion wanted England to win. By far the biggest group – 38% – said they did not mind whether the Auld Enemy did well or badly.
    Indeed, no less an authority than the Craig Levein, manager of the Scottish national team, has said he hopes the English have a good World Cup. Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond of the pro-independence Scottish National Party has likewise wished Fabio Capello and his men well.
    But what does appear to push many into the ABE camp is a perception that the media and business presume everyone in Britain is an England fan.”

    You asked for polling, and you provided the link to it!

    Oops!

  26. @ Ewen Lightfoot

    “Agree with your last comment entirely-which is why Salmond came across as soo wrong with his comments re Scolympians.”

    I think that the Scottish athletes can speak for themselves. Some may consider themselves Scots, some may consider themselves Brits, some may consider themselves both. I don’t think Alex Salmond needs to speak for them. Or politicize their moment in the sun.

  27. @ Old Nat

    “Apropos of nothing – I got to hold my latest grandson today after finally leaving hospital (being very premature).”

    Congratulations!!!

    “Wholly agree. However, it’s not just a nationalist response. Barney Crockett and I share a pleasure that people from our part of Scotland have done well (there may be a similar response in the USA if someone from your county or state does well).

    In the same way, I root for members of the European Ryder Cup team against the USA regardless of where in Europe they come from.

    We all have multiple identities, and will tend to support any sporting person with whom we can form some form of link (while we slob on the couch watching them on TV :) ).”

    I get it. Obama’s California field staff just tweeted a congratulatory message to an Olympian from Oakland who just won a gold medal. People in the D.C. suburbs are cheering on Katie Ledecky.

    And while I am a couch slob, I can proudly say that 12 years ago, one of the Olympians was standing there right beside me on the pool deck after a practice, helping me work on my shooting skills and correct my arm movement (all in the attempt to improve my offensive skills).

  28. SOCALLIBERAL

    I have oft posted that the attempted politicisation of sporting events (by anyone) is kinda sad.

    However, as Paul Croft pointed out the other night, it’s perfectly reasonable for the First Minister of Scotland to issue a message of support for Scots athletes in Team GB. In the same way, it’s appropriate for the Prime Minister of Tuvalu to support Asenate Manoa and Tavevele Noa – members of Team GB.

    Why are those on here not fulminating against Willy Telavi for doing precisely that?

    If you want to look at politicisation of the London Olympics, look to those supporting the UK Union.

    Jim Murphy deserves an exemption. He tweeted in favour of one of his family who is competing for Ireland. He couldn’t bring himself to put politics above family. Good for him.

  29. Go Mo Farah!!!!! Congrats guys on your boy taking gold! I’m really rooting for this guy. And it’s so nice to see the reaction he gets from the crowd.

    Glad Galen Rupp could take silver. :)

  30. BBC in another diplomatic incident?

    South Korea football team labelled as “KOR”?

  31. ON:

    I did read it but, of course, you feel you somehow know Iotherwise: you really are an extremely strange man.

    Around a quarter of Scots want England to lose and a half don’t care.

    That’s not overly impressive for a neighbour in my opinion and the 25% who think A.B.E. are somewhat vociferous about it to the point of coming over as offensive as well as small-minded.

  32. PAULCROFT

    I’m just happy that you have to admit that your stance that “the Scots” have a particular set of attitudes is complete and utter nonsense.

    The vociferous nature of some people in LOCOG and Channel 4 is rather offensive as well, don’t you think?

    I do understand that you consider someone who considers evidence to be important as “strange”.

    Still, we all add to humanitiy’s fascinating variety!

  33. It really is amazing that you can’t concede that one quarter saying ANYONE but England and a further HALF who just don’t care is anything other than “evidence” of my point..

    … and the way you keep saying things like

    “oooo, what about channel 4 sir? They’re just as bad etc etc etc etc” is so utterly childish it reminds me very much of children’s reactions from my teaching days.

    I know you are very pleased with yourself and have an inbuilt capacity to think you are always right and then avoid the issue that shows you are not but frankly, the fact that only one quarter of Scots people would prefer England to win against teams other than Scotland is shocking.

    It says more about age-old prejudices in Scotland than it does for the English that’s for sure.

    Anyway, its easy to understand missis olenat’s attitude after this last duologue.

  34. @ Old Nat

    “I have oft posted that the attempted politicisation of sporting events (by anyone) is kinda sad.

    However, as Paul Croft pointed out the other night, it’s perfectly reasonable for the First Minister of Scotland to issue a message of support for Scots athletes in Team GB. In the same way, it’s appropriate for the Prime Minister of Tuvalu to support Asenate Manoa and Tavevele Noa – members of Team GB.

    Why are those on here not fulminating against Willy Telavi for doing precisely that?

    If you want to look at politicisation of the London Olympics, look to those supporting the UK Union.”

    I think the problem is not taht he was wishing the Scottish Olympians good luck or singling them out as great Scots but seemed to be ignoring that they were part of Team GB.

    “Jim Murphy deserves an exemption. He tweeted in favour of one of his family who is competing for Ireland. He couldn’t bring himself to put politics above family. Good for him.”

    Yeah I saw that. He has some Irish blood in him which I find surprising. But then again, I always found it surprising that my family’s Cavalier King Charles Spaniels (the world’s greatest breed of dog) are distantly related to Springer Spaniels.

    I love following his Twitter feed. When not obsessing over soccer, he seems to spends his time offering up fashion advice and complaining about random acts of rudeness.

    Btw, 6 gold medals for Team GB today. Wow.

  35. socalL

    I think you’ll find the border terrier is the bestest breed if dog in the world.

  36. @SoCalLiberal

    Re:Mo Farah. I just think he comes across as really humble, hardworking and likeable. He’s apparently very popular within the team too. As for Galen Rupp, it’s a stunning achievement.

    Also, for me and many others the 10k was THE athletics race of the games.

  37. Very interesting developments over Lords Reform/Boundary Changes – we analyse the extremely clever way in which the Labour leadership has played this issue, follow the link:
    http://www.allthatsleft.co.uk/2012/08/house-of-lords-reform-and-the-boundary-review-labour-play-a-blinder/

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