Tonight’s YouGov poll for the Sunday Times has topline figures of CON 36%, LAB 39%, LDEM 8% and others on 16%. It looks likely that the 7 point lead in the YouGov/Sun poll on Thursday night was indeed a bit of an outlier. As usual I will do a full write up tomorrow when the tables are published.

59 Responses to “YouGov/Sunday Times – CON 36, LAB 39, LD 8”

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  1. Alec,
    “…that Milliband is onto something with..”.. “not being monstered by either the press”..
    I have noticed a little bit of a media narrative switch to move more toward that view.
    I’ve noticed that the telegraph has started to use ‘squeezed middle’ now.

    Perhaps certain media groups are preparing for a point, if the economy starts to tumble – and the government gets the blame – where they can switch sides to backing Labour.
    So they’ll use some of Miliband’s language ‘just in case’ they need to switch sides, so they’re ‘always right’ .

    Obviously so they can keep their newspaper sales – but it’s interesting that there seems a preparation for switch, even if a switch doesn’t come (because the economy does better than hoped).

  2. On the matter of EU…the Grauniad carries a good article revealing NC is highly critical of the Tories’ and DC’s stance etc. One sentence caught my eye..

    “The deputy prime minister’s forthright intervention makes it clear that Britain’s relationship with Europe could yet prove to be the most dangerous faultline within the coalition.”

    The chemistry of the coalition is interesting…the LDs cannot leave as they can’t afford a GE (both in terms of finances and seat losses). DC needs the LDs to hold the Cons rightwing in check.

    It must be very wearing on both DC and NC .

  3. Tingedfringe,

    ID argue the main crossover between the Tories and Libs is one that appeals to people like myself on the Socially Liberal Right

  4. Joe,
    Then surely you’ll hope for the Libs to push for a liberal-right position?


    This is the kind of story that makes you weep. The list of hugeky excessive pay rewards within the NHS, pre and post the 2010 election, the self interested company structures set up to maximise income, the rewards for failure being even higher paid contracts and the arrogant assumption that these people and these people alone can do these jobs, despite the fact that many of them have failed.

    It’s particularly sad that this irresponsibility has infected the public sector.

  6. I think the problem that Labour has on Europe is that they don’t appreciate it’s not 1998 any more. For a brief period, when Tony Blair could do no wrong, everything he said was taken as gospel by the public, and consequently William Hague looked stupid on Europe by virtue of the fact that it was the opposite of what Tony Blair said.

    Since then, the word of Tony Blair has ceased to be gospel, and the business with the Lisbon Treaty and the Eurozone crisis have led to a massive loss of credibility for the EU in both respect for democracy and economic confidence, so why does Labour still think the Tories banging on about Europe is a surefire vote-loser? Make no mistake: the Tory Right are singling out Europe as their bugbear with the Lib Dems (as opposed to scrapping the 50% tax rate, abolishing unfair dismissal rules or whatever stupid idea they have this week) because they know they have popular support on this one. Labour’s welcome to stick to their relatively pro-EU guns if they believe it’s the right thing to do, but it certainly won’t help win any elections.

    (I’d hold off until 2014 EU Parliament elections and see how much opposition there is elsewhere. The UK will be in a much stronger position to get powers repatriated if, say, Holland, Finland and Slovakia are doing the same and the German public stay restless about how much the Euro is costing them.)

  7. I normally vote Tory (well always have) but would consider the right Lib dem. This is because the tory high church type annoy me less than Simon Hughes, Tim Farron etc.

    But yes id probably vote for Danny Alexander were I in his constituancy

  8. Alec,

    Since its inception, there have been things terribly wrong with the NHS. That’s not to say it’s not great: however, it is the way of institutions that they never match ideals.

    That said, I agree that one of the best reforms that could be made to the NHS would be to fix a lot of the incentive structures in there. Incentives should be made such that bad people want to do good things. Many of the incentives in the NHS (and the public sector more widely) seem to make good people do bad things.

    It’s no surprise that NHS productivity, on some estimates, fell by -3.1% PA from 1997 to 2007 i.e. below even the public sector average during that period, which was an appalling -2%.

  9. @ Oldnat
    “The Isle of Man doesn’t seem to have sunk into chaos through giving the vote to 16 and 17 year olds.” Etc, etc..

    (1) No-one has claimed giving votes to 16 year olds would lead to chaos, so this is just rhetoric.
    (2) You mis-specify the debate by refusing to put it into context. 18 year olds have full rights including voting; 16 year old olds have numerous rights withheld from them. Unless you are arguing that the latter should be full citizens with full rights — & presumably you are not — then it will always be a matter of opinion what “adult” rights they are granted. There can logically be no automatic assumption that they get the vote & hence the debate about the appropriate age is irresolvable. All this stuff about “this was once said about 21 year olds” is irrelevant. Allowing 18 year olds to vote was associated with coming to full citizenship; your proposal to allow 16 year olds to vote is not.

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