This week’s YouGov/Sunday Times poll has topline voting intention figures of CON 38%, LAB 41%, LDEM 9%. I’ll do a full post on the other questions in the poll when the tables go up tomorrow morning.

I’m not aware of any other polling in the Sunday papers (not that there often is these days – other than the YouGov/Sunday Times polls and the ComRes polls that are shared between the Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror, polls for Sunday papers seem to be increasingly rare creatures. It’s over a year since ICM polled for the Sunday Telegraph, MORI’s monthly polls are now for Reuters rather than turning up in the Observer, and the News of the World is obviously kaput.)


82 Responses to “YouGov/Sunday Times – CON 38, LAB 41, LDEM 9”

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  1. @ Old Nat

    “I don’t know the individual views of people from Scotland here on nuclear weapons, but a majority of Scots, Scots politicians, and other Scots representative bodies have consistently opposed “our country” (define that how you will) having weapons of mass destruction.

    For example, here’s a report of the Scots response to Labour’s enthusiasm for the new Trident system.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6452275.stm

    It’s not NIMBYism. It’s a fundamental and moral objection to having nuclear weapons at all.”

    I see. I never realized there was such strong support among Scots for nuclear disarmament.

    Well, I’ll just state for the record that I will never oppose having nuclear weapons. Unilateral Disarmament is not something I would ever consider. Even most hippies I know (or ex hippies) won’t go down that road.

    On the subject of NIMBYism, I agreed to help a friend of mine with a political cause of hers. She wants to block the construction of a new football stadium in downtown LA. The more I think about this, the more I regret agreeing to help her because I really don’t support her goals. She’s basically a NIMBY who wants to scuttle something that will be very beneficial for the city because it will occassionally inconvenience her. I can’t help with that (at least I can’t be publicly associated with that).

    Ever been in a situation like that? You agree to help someone because they’re a good friend until you realize that their cause is not something you support at all?

  2. @ Roger Mexico

    “(and you can explain all this to SoCalLiberal)”

    Lol, I am always asking questions. I guess I’m curious by nature. And I’m not beneath asking stupid or pretty obvious questions. :)

    I’m assuming that this North London team must be your equivalent of the Oakland Raiders. Raiders fans are worse than hooligans I think.

  3. SoCalLiberal

    People are allowed to disagree on the morality of having an (oops! I almost used the name of a North London football team again :-) ) of weapons that can destroy the world.

    I really dislike the concept that some have that it’s OK for their country, but not others. Little morality in that stance I think.

    Can’t say I’ve ever found myself in your predicament over a NIMBY project.

  4. I thought Anthony must be a spurs fan and that’s why ärsenal is moderated

  5. SoCalLiberal

    The North London team that causes the problem are currently lying 11th in the English Premier League.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm

    If you were to substitute “s” for “r” as the 2nd letter, and then read only the first 3 letters of the amended team name as an American word referring to the buttocks, then that would explain it.

    Why on earth, the equivalent term used in the UK – the first 4 letters of the team name – would give anyone a problem is as beyond my understanding as those who want to have weapons that would destroy the world.

    But hey! we all have different moral positions on a range of things.

  6. RiN

    Neat solution!

  7. Old Nat

    It helps if you have a full keyboard of 29 letters

  8. @ Old Nat

    “People are allowed to disagree on the morality of having an (oops! I almost used the name of a North London football team again ) of weapons that can destroy the world.

    I really dislike the concept that some have that it’s OK for their country, but not others. Little morality in that stance I think.

    Can’t say I’ve ever found myself in your predicament over a NIMBY project.”

    Yes we are allowed to disagree.

    On the NIMBY issue, I’m no football fan but to have a football team would bring the city tens of millions in much needed revenues. It will help expand business opportunities in the city as well as the downtown area. It will add thousands of new jobs, which are also much needed. It will be a LEED certified stadium and the city won’t pay a dime of its construction costs (it will be entirely privately financed….me likey!!!) It’s location is near public transportation which means that one won’t need to take a car to get to the stadium (and yes, the public transportation system isn’t so great but that’s better than nothing). Plus, there are a lot of people who enjoy football and want a football team to root for. If they ever win any kind of championship, it’ll add prestige for the city.

    Why doesn’t my friend like this? Because she lives nearby and this will add tens of thousands of car trips to her neighborhood. And she doesn’t want to deal with added traffic (of course the current location is the only place a new stadium could be built while minimizing the amount of car travel neccessary to it).

  9. I use @rsenal. Or the gunners, if it is the footie team I’m writing about!

    And [email protected] & [email protected] (even as part of [email protected]) can also be blocked.
    8-)

  10. RiN

    When we join the Nordic Union, that will no doubt be normal!

    Incidentally, I note from the Angus Reid poll that only 11% of Scots want to keep “God save Lizzie” as the anthem. Depressingly, 60% want it replaced by “Flower of Scotland”. :-( I don’t know whether they were given the option of “A Man’s a Man for A’ That” which would be my preference.

  11. Amber

    If I may enquire, when do you write about @rsenal? Do you frequent the English footie blogs? :-)

  12. @ Old Nat

    “The North London team that causes the problem are currently lying 11th in the English Premier League.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm

    If you were to substitute “s” for “r” as the 2nd letter, and then read only the first 3 letters of the amended team name as an American word referring to the buttocks, then that would explain it.

    Why on earth, the equivalent term used in the UK – the first 4 letters of the team name – would give anyone a problem is as beyond my understanding as those who want to have weapons that would destroy the world.

    But hey! we all have different moral positions on a range of things.”

    Thanks for that. And lol. I remember when European protesters used to moon Dubya. I remember news coverage of all these men lining up in a row to moon him at once. I think it was because Europeans naively assume as true anything a Republican says. They must have thought that he was such an uptight Christian fundamentalist conservative that the mere sight of brandished buttocks would cause him to suffer a stroke of extreme shock. Aware of his history at La Dijon Apartments in Houston, TX during the 1970’s, I just rolled my eyes and said “this ain’t nothing he hasn’t seen before.” :)

  13. I note that Ruth Davidson has nailed her colours to the mast (in roughly the same position that Captain Jack Sparrow adopted as his ship sank into harbour) on the constitutional position of Scotland.

    Ms Davidson said: “The Scotland Bill currently going through Westminster is the line in the sand.

    “The time for arguing about the powers the people want is over. It’s time now to use the powers that we have.”

    Ms Davidson said that the main focus of the party should be to resist any further moves towards self-government for Scotland describing the tax-raising powers in the Scotland Bill as a one-off “MOT” for Holyrood.

    “I believe the United Kingdom is a force for good in the world. I will make that positive case for the Union and together we will win as we have right on our side,” Miss Davidson said.

    “No halfway house, no second question, no march to fiscal autonomy. When the referendum is done and Scotland in the Union has won the day, let that be an end to it.”

    An interesting stance to take.

  14. @ Old Nat

    “When we join the Nordic Union, that will no doubt be normal!

    Incidentally, I note from the Angus Reid poll that only 11% of Scots want to keep “God save Lizzie” as the anthem. Depressingly, 60% want it replaced by “Flower of Scotland”. I don’t know whether they were given the option of “A Man’s a Man for A’ That” which would be my preference.”

    Is this whole independence thing about becoming considered Nordic? J/k. :)

    God Save the Queen is a nice song. If you’re independent though, I’m not sure it’ll continue to make sense as a national anthem. I’ve not heard “Flower of Scotland” before.

  15. @ Old Nat

    “An interesting stance to take.”

    If you have a referendum and the independence question loses, what will the SNP do?

  16. So cal

    God save the queen is a nice song??????

    Try stupid and bombastic the only thing worse than the tune are the words. A semi religious ode to a woman who by chance of birth happens to be head of state. It says nothing about our country, our values or our aspirations. And worse still our head of state can’t sing along, she can hardly sing “god bless me send me victorious long to reign over them, god bless me” as a national anthem it’s inappropriate for a modern mature democracy. If I was Scottish it would be reason enough to vote for independence. Mind you flower of Scotland is not exactly the most neighborly song. I think major sporting events would be irritating for us English if every time a Scot won, we had to listen to how the English were slaughtered at some ancient battle(I do quite like the song myself)
    Having said that your song is also about a famous victory over the English an we never get upset about that

  17. @ Richard in Norway

    “God save the queen is a nice song??????

    Try stupid and bombastic the only thing worse than the tune are the words. A semi religious ode to a woman who by chance of birth happens to be head of state. It says nothing about our country, our values or our aspirations. And worse still our head of state can’t sing along, she can hardly sing “god bless me send me victorious long to reign over them, god bless me” as a national anthem it’s inappropriate for a modern mature democracy. If I was Scottish it would be reason enough to vote for independence. Mind you flower of Scotland is not exactly the most neighborly song. I think major sporting events would be irritating for us English if every time a Scot won, we had to listen to how the English were slaughtered at some ancient battle(I do quite like the song myself)
    Having said that your song is also about a famous victory over the English an we never get upset about that”

    Heh. Tell me how you really feel!!

    Sounds like you hate God Save the Queen as much as I once hated “We are Family” by Sister Sledge (not to worry, I can listen to it again).

    I’m not sure that any national anthem can say much about a country, its values, or its aspirations.

    And yes, our national anthem is technically about a famous victory over your people. But, it’s supposed to be a message conveying the American spirit and determination to overcome obstacles. I think with some songs, you can enjoy them a lot more if you just tune out the lyrics. How else could I listen to and enjoy most rap music?

  18. It never ceases to amaze me that even in the moments of complete non-partisanship and unity, Bill Clinton still outshines Dubya.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/10/flight-93-shanksville-pa_n_956763.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%7C94472

  19. Well within the MOE Yougov seems to have settled on a 3% lab lead having fluctuated between 1% and 6% over the last few days.

    This would be a loss of about 3% over the summer, and is in line with other pollsters who also show the Tories gaining.

    Labour must be disappointed by this. IMO if they are going to move forward they simply must do more than oppose every cut and repeat ad nauseam “to fast, to deep”. They have to come up with an alternative policy the does not rely on us simply borrowing like there is no tomorrow.

    The Tories, or at least DC can’t be that satisfied either. Though it must be comforting to be clawing back, even in difficult times, DC’s personal standing has taken a considerable hit. As or GE’s become more presidential in nature, the perception of the leader is ever more important. DC should IMO work hard to restore his personal popularity.

  20. SoCalLiberal

    “And yes, our national anthem is technically about a famous victory over your people. But, it’s supposed to be a message conveying the American spirit and determination to overcome obstacles”

    Well, not so much a victory as a successful resistance. We were employing the Napoleonic equivalent of shock and awe (frigate based naval bombardment) and experimental WMD (Congreve rockets), to try and take a fort. It didn’t work and we sailed away.

    And given what else was going on it certainly wasn’t a famous battle (1814, end of the First Napoleonic Empire).

    Still, nice of you to reuse a British tune!

  21. @ John Fletcher

    ” They have to come up with an alternative policy the does not rely on us simply borrowing like there is no tomorrow.”

    They do -& whilst I am happy to see Balls
    continue with his suspect VAT cut call, there is a trick which may be available to GO, which doesn’t involve more debt, & might involve a multiplier effect.

    In the last few days UK 10yr Gilt yields fell below 2% ( as did equivalent instruments for Germany & USA). This “safe haven” dividend has given GO a rare Budgetary gain.

    David Smith puts it at £7bn pa. Smith also contrasts The cash increase in government current spending with the decrease in capital spending. AD’s planned cut was essentially retained by GO-£69bn 2009/10 down to £48bn 2013/14.

    Smith proposes using the Debt interest gain to boost state capital spending-on which multipliers are said to be much more certain than for tax decreases such as VAT.

    Obama’s recent package seems to be tax cut heavy-so taking a different stance. There is always the problem of lead times on Capex too-finding so-called “shovel ready” projects being difficult.

    Still-I wonder if GO might feel such a proposal fits with Lagarde’s call for “nimble” measures which don’t compromise the debt control stategy?

    It would also have political upside if Balls continues to argue for VAT cuts financed by more debt.

  22. Nick

    Very scary, this is an area where the lib dems should be in the lead seeing as it is about abuse of power, but unfortunately it seems that important principles have been forgotten. I always expected that the libdems would become as corrupt as the other two parties but I thought it would take a least one if not two terms in govt. Maybe I shouldn’t be so down on them perhaps they were badly whipped, but it’s impossible that they were as badly punished as those folk paying 200% interest rates. It just legalized theft.

  23. Nick’s post has disappeared so now I look like a loon, hopefully it will POP back up again

  24. Colin

    While such moves would be political attractive, I believe they would be mistaken, in the current climate there is no multiplier effect or if there is it quickly dissipates. Long term planning needs to be done to prepare a program of public spending and other growth measures but should not be attempted until we have hit the bottom, if attempted before the money and effort will just be consumed by the deflationary storm

  25. Richard in Norway

    ‘God save the queen is a nice song’

    I think it is a bit of a dirge, although when played by a good band and sung beautifully it is almost acceptable. The tune is a German hymn I believe.

    It is never inspirational. Perhaps ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ for all the UK Nations and in addition Jerusalem for England. It always seems silly when we have a sports tournament between UK teams that England has God save… while the other nations have something else.

  26. Henry

    My choice would be “I vow to thee my country” we used to sing it at school and I always found it moving particularly the last verse. Although many people would find it way too conservative.

  27. AmberStar @ Old Nat,

    “My apologies – I completely discounted the SNP wanting to take the 34th approach, which would mean that Scotland is bound by every treaty which the Uk has entered on behalf of its whole territory.”

    Surely that’s the only practical way? Each existing treaty can be reviewed over an indefinite period according to urgency.

  28. Land of Hope and Glory – in Scotland – That of itself might be enough to give Alec an Independence majority. Jerusalem strangely despite having England in its words would be more acceptable ( though that’s relative – very few Scots would approve of that either) At the moment I can’t think of any British anthem which a majority of Scots would approve of . We struggle enough with our own anthemic choice – let alone a UK wide one. Let’s just not have an anthem – or go with some universally messaged popular song ( All You need is Love or Yellow Submarine would be fun!)

  29. Neil A @SoCal,

    “We in Plymouth, who fix many of the UK’s submarines already, would be quite happy to take them off OldNat’s hands should the need arise. With all the destroyers we’re losing, our city needs the work.”

    Are you still sending small children up chimneys and down mines then? We are prevented from doing that by a conspiracy of Christians, Socialists and uppity women who should have never been allowed the vote.

    A lot of business leaders objected to the fact the children’s families needed their earnings to survive and that some business would be unprofitable and wealth creators would go abroad to make their fortunes in the colonies if thy had to pay adults to do these jobs but interference from the nanny state put a stop to it around here.

    You are so lucky down there not to have a government that interferes with the free market.

  30. God grant that Cumberland
    Shall by his mighty hand
    Victory bring.

    May he seditions hush
    And like a torrent rush
    Rebellious Scots to crush
    God save the king

  31. RiN

    ” I think major sporting events would be irritating for us English if every time a Scot won, we had to listen to how the English were slaughtered at some ancient battle.”

    Isn’t that the point?

    I don’t actually know the words but I had resolved to learn them when the Tories dumped MT and I decided I didn’t need to bother.

    If it’s about Bannockburn, the myths are wrong.

    http://elenkus.co.uk/

    Recent research has shown that the English fought bravely and took heavy losses from a not much smaller force. They did not run away feart, but were beaten by their stubborn adherence to traditional methods and were outclassed by a superior strategist who understood the local terrain.

    Like the SNP v the Unionists

  32. @John B Dick,

    So far as I know all of the men (and women) who operate, repair and refurbish Her Majesty’s submarines on the Tamar are over 18. They’re also well paid and unionised.

    I’m not sure when the Scots became so squeamish about things that hurt people. Traditionally it was sort of your bag, wasn’t it?

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