I don’t normally do a post everyday on YouGov’s daily tracking figures – it is, after all, the trend that counts, not the change from day to day. This one is worth noting though. Following on from the net approval rating of zero yesterday, YouGov’s net approval for the government tonight is minus 2 – 39% approve of the government, 41% disapprove of the government. This is the first time the coalition have scored a negative approval rating.

Voting intention tonight is at CON 41%, LAB 38%, LDEM 13%


479 Responses to “YouGov’s government approval turns negative”

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  1. @LASZLO
    The people who actually meet benefit cheats must generally be those who live in rather poor areas. To wit, Labour areas. Therefore, Disgusted of Surrey only hears about such things via the Daily Mail.

  2. @Cozmo

    I know people who have no interest in poltics but are very aware of anything relating to their payments. Some would put the staff at DWP to shame. However when I mention voter registration the response is ‘ I never vote, they’re all the same’. Exactly my views on Big Brother.

  3. @ Roland

    I actually have skilled/semi skilled working class in mind – they have (my experience and I don’t think I idalise them – I live far too close to them for that) stronger views of benefit cheats and hence more susceptible to newspapers’ reporting, but because of their way of life, they are pretty quick to differentiate between the just outrage against such cheats and the real affects of the cuts and hence likely to change their views.

  4. Roland/Laszlo,

    I concur with Laszlo.. That earning brack of anything between £12K and £20K is a) bloody hard work b) not enough for you to move to the suburbs. Hence this “Labour aristocracy” view on a daily basis the idle and workshy and develop immensely strong feelings towards them.

    Of course the feelings are not always rational or grounded in fact, but they are understandable nonetheless.

  5. Press and IFS

    I forgot to add Scandal to my list of what interests the press of course. Can be sex or financial but the first is preferred.

    David Laws gave them both.

  6. @Roland
    “Sadly your 12.40 pm is dead right.”
    —————————
    I can understand where you are coming from in your 1.03. I am Lab but I am just as angry about the shifltess spongers as anyone else – and I criticised the last Govt for many things. But I do not tar all benefit claimants with the same brush. It’s like taking a case where, say, a red-headed bloke with a beard and glasses was convicted of a serious crime – therefore all red-headed blokes with beard and glasses must be criminals. I have supported many a genuine claimant in their dealings with bureaucracy. I have also shopped a few spongers too!

  7. @Sue

    I accept that cuts/tax rises have a cumulative effect which by definition takes time. My point was that no-one is expecting good news, just varying degrees of bad news from the CSR. The daily diet has two more months to run so I fully expect more political damage to the coalition.

  8. @LASZLO
    I suppose if one is working in a dead end job and nowadays with the prospect of working past 70, its worse. The knowledge of a family down the street with 8 kids and the father hasn’t worked in living memory because he chooses not to is very galling. Like wise to take your “babe” out clubbing and see the disco queen is a woman with a “serious back injury” and disability pension, must again make you want to report her.

  9. So, Latvia, Greece and Ireland’s austerity measures haven’t worked. More cuts have been piled on top of the original cuts in the hope they will at some point.

    How are Spain and Portugal going? Anyone know, I can’t find anything much.

  10. Cozmo

    If one is angry about scroungers today, why was one not angry about it yesterday? I think it’s the press as Roland explained.

    Why is one not angry about hoodies today. No press story.

    Sue will recognise I am on my ‘hit the press’ kick.

    Oh and by the way, do you think guard dogs are no longer attacking children?

    My contempt for the press knows no bounds as indeed their reporting does not. Fortunately most voters take it all with a pinch of salt as the polls show (who are the lowest of the low question).

  11. @Aleksandar
    “Some would put the staff at DWP to shame”

    Yes I’ve met a few of those. I think they could teach me a few tricks so I could do a better job for the genuine cases.

    On another level though, the ‘ordinary’ folk are easily turned against each other. While they are pointing the finger at each other it is easier for tax-evaders to feather their nests and keep out of the spotlight. If GO would go after them with equal enthusiasm I would have much greater regard for the coalition.

  12. @COSMO
    I know a lot of Tories and some of them are complete old farhtbannfuhrers, but I don’t know any that think all benefit receivers are on the make.
    I think the aggression and bitterness comes in between red and blue when the 99.9 % are not argument is put forward. It is patently obvious the problem is a little bigger than that.

  13. Sue
    Your posted article on Greece (thank you for that) showed that Greek measures were working, only a bit too ‘well’.

    I should think GO is most impressed.

  14. Howard – “My contempt for the press knows no bounds as indeed their reporting does not.”

    Don’t get me started…..

    Amusingly, I was lurking on the LibDem Voice site the other day and almost EVERY post was a stunned attack on the press who are so cruel and biased. Lies uncovered, promises to fight this dreadful oppression.

    I say amusingly, because when they were the underdogs, no doubt they believed almost every piece of drivel they read about Labour. Welcome to government my friends.

    As my Dad might say, “they don’t like it up ’em”

  15. Sue Marsh, Alexsander others..

    No Eoin is not Wayne or vice versa.. in fact I’m hardly on here anymore.. can’t stand the insults !!

  16. Wayne,

    For the record, I have not insulted you- ever! You are more than welcome to post in confidence that I have no intention of doing such.

    As I recall Amber’s kind words to you, also illicted soem thoughtful comments from your good self, which tells me that when you want to – you can post quite constructively.

    But of course, you do what makes you happy.

  17. @Howard
    “If one is angry about scroungers today, why was one not angry about it yesterday?”
    —————
    A very fair question. See my 1.52 to Aleksandar. Tiz easy to stir up negative passions which result in witch-hunts and I am very wary of the tactic. I agree with you very much about the media, and for me it’s not just newspapers. News is a commodity. The more negative and sensational it is the better it sells. Truth and balance take a back seat. This leaves us with a distorted view of the world. :(

  18. Howard – Re Greece article. Deficit reduction going nicely, human cost unspeakable, surely?

  19. Wayne
    I have not corresponded with you.

    My reply to your last though is

    Don’t earn them then. Actually they were only tever teases, not insults, but the the same advice applies, even to someone, who, by his own admission, is so far above our intellectual level.

  20. @COSMO & LASZLO
    About 40 years ago the Pensions and Social Security
    Minister, a Mrs B Castle, was on TV when proper current affairs shows were on 4 nights a week, saying in a very loud strident and articulate manner, “we are Labour, it is fitting we do labour for our daily bread, we are workers, our work is our pride”.

    I still remember it. Why she very near turned my head !
    I cannot see Hattie touching my inner person that way.

  21. Sue
    Exactly – thus GO’s opined probable admiration. Grandson of Thatcher, arise gorgeous George and Danny Boy..

  22. @Roland
    “It is patently obvious the problem is a little bigger than that.”

    I accept your points. I was not making a political point. I am more concerned with the media and the way in which they often paint the picture. It just seems that only the sensational “mega-scrounger” stories are newsworthy.

    There is no mileage in printing stories about deserving cases where claimants have worked hard for decades and paid their taxes, then their circumstances have changed so they need a bit of rebate.

    Must go if you will excuse me, off to a meeting.

    :)

  23. Howard – Aha, I see. brief irony bypass there ;)

  24. Roland
    What work did she ever do then? (BC)

  25. Roland,

    Now now- Don’t mess with Hattie :P Some of our best legislation passed through her breifcase…. Where she to leave the Labour Party, I worry as to who would advance women’s interests? Tessa Jowell perhaps? Flint afterall, scuppered her chances by saying Gordy disrespected women, whilst imultaneously posing for a photoshoot.

  26. WAYNE
    Do not let your Mother know she had a gibber. Be a Tory, let the ramblings of a few deluded do-gooders role off you. Besides, the Tory group need your inspirational leadership.

  27. Eoin – Yvette is shaping up well. She is supporting the Fabian budget challenge I think.

  28. Interest comment from Moody’s :-

    “…..The report also noted the challenges facing European nations have created wide discrepancies in economic and fiscal performances during the crisis. For instance, Germany’s budget deficit is expected to be at 5% of gross domestic product this year, whereas Ireland, Spain, Greece and Latvia still face with double-digit deficits.

    “The divergence will continue for some time,” said Muehlbronner, adding, “If Germany continues to move along in such great shape, we might see positive growth surprises elsewhere.”

    But so far the divergence is not showing any signs of narrowing.

    “The differing outcomes from the crisis are particularly insidious, in the sense that the burden of adjustment is falling very unevenly among countries,” Moody’s said.

    “To many, this may seem only fair, but it is also likely to profoundly challenge one of the EU’s cornerstones–namely, the notion of convergence between richer and poorer states in the Union,” it added.

  29. @ HOWARD
    Oh trade union official I think. At least she were a reet working class lass thou knows. Not a product of Westminster School and calling others privileged.

  30. Colin – Thanks for that. I’ve been researching European austerity measures all morning. Did you find any actual data on Spain or Portugal? They are remaining stubbornly elusive.

  31. @eoin
    Flint are yes, despite my Toryism the monstrous urges which have afflicted me since I was about 14 years old made it difficult to dislike her.

  32. “German business confidence unexpectedly increased for a fourth month in August to a 3-year high, suggesting the economy may not lose as much momentum as some economists forecast after expanding at a record pace in the second quarter.”

    “The German growth forecast for 2010 was revised up to 3% by the Deutsche Bundesbank on Thursday, following last week’s report of impressive GDP (gross domestic product) growth of an annualised rate of almost 9%, in the second quarter.

    In its monthly report for August, the Bundesbank raised its forecast from a previous prediction of 1.9%. The central bank said that it expects the German economy to slow in the remainder 2010 but added that the expansion in 2010 may well be the strongest since 2006. In 2009, Germany’s economy contracted by 4.7%, the worst recession since World War II.

    “More than half the decline in production triggered by the crisis has been made good,” the Bundesbank said. “Favourable conditions abroad and domestic factors both helped.”

    Finfacts ireland.

    Remember that spat between the Germans & GB on “spend spend spend” ?

    Go Angela girl ! ;-)

  33. Roland – does one need to be working class to represent the working classes?

    If schools such as Eton or Westminster produce Conservatives (overwhelmingly they do) then to emerge a Tory is to support the status quo. To emerge a socialist is surely to have questioned the very values and beliefs one was taught. Is this not MORE admirable not less?

  34. Sue

    What I’m trying-and failing-to find is EU comparative deficit reduction plans expressed as to %GDP reduction & time taken.

  35. @Cozmo

    I agree with you that the govt should go after the tax dodgers with more enthusiam. Even the lowest estimates of tax dodging dwarf those on benefit fraud so the financial rewards are serious. As you suggest the political rewards are maybe even greater in terms of fairness and hence credibility.

    One issue is that most tax issues are settled behind closed doors whereas more benefit frauds will reach the courts where they are picked up by the press. One is on the front page of the Daily Mail and the other would be lucky to make Accountancy Weekly, which chimes in with your chat with Howard.

  36. Colin – Me Too!!!! I’d like to see the effects on growth, economy etc too.

    If Angela can pull it off, it would at least give some solace to fears over austerity elsewhere. Of course, German austerity measures will not begin to filter through to the economy until at least q22011, so the growth is more down to her stimulus, but it will certainly ease the effect of austerity.
    It’s good news for all of us if Germany stay strong

  37. @SUE MARSH
    David Davis would prove you can be a senior Tory and come from a very poor background. The difference is, David Davies does not make unkind remarks to Labour MPs who also come from a background like his, as if he is in some way better than them.

  38. @COLIN
    No suprises are there Colin. Germany, what can one say? If you want virtually anything manufactured thats top quality you buy German. The one thing we had that kept its nose in front was Financial Services – now God knows. When they had the very wrong ideas it took half the world to stop them , twice, now they have the very right ideas who can compete.

  39. You asked about Spain Sue-a few recent snippets :-

    “European Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs Olli Rehn said Tuesday. the European economy was enjoying a “robust recovery,” but he noted that growth was a “bit uneven” across the EU. He said it was critical that the EU act to contain “turmoil in sovereign debt markets,” describing this as a key factor in restoring confidence.

    He stressed that while some countries such as the United Kingdom and Spain needed to accelerate fiscal austerity measures, “there is no rush to fiscal consolidation” in most of the larger other EU countries such as Germany, France and the Netherlands.”

    WSJ

    “Spain’s government said Wednesday it will spend 500 million euros more than planned on infrastructure projects but still maintain its goal of slashing the deficit to the eurozone limit by 2013.

    Transport and Development Minister Jose Blanco told a news conference the 500 million euros will cover some 50 projects which were suspended due to austerity measures.

    The socialist government in May introduced a 15-billion-euro austerity package to rein in the public deficit from a massive 11.2 percent of gross domestic product in 2009 to six percent in 2011 and three percent — the eurozone limit — by 2013.

    Blanco on July 22 announced a reduction in his ministry’s budget of 6.4 billion euros for 2010 and 2011, leading to the suspension of 199 road and rail projects for one to four years.

    Unions protested, claiming that the cuts would lead to the loss of 100,000 jobs at a time when unemployment has soared to more than 20 percent.

    Blanco said Wednesday that the projects to be revived were those that were already in “an advanced state.”

    Spain slumped into its worst recession in decades at the end of 2008 as the global financial meltdown compounded a crisis in the once-booming property market.

    It recovered this year with tepid first quarter growth of just 0.1 percent.”

    AFP about a week ago.

  40. Roland

    “Germany, what can one say?”

    Something with twelve syllables & a lot of spit I expect ;-)

    They are phenomonal aren’t they?

    Prudent, hardworking,…………….humorous ( only joking)

  41. YouGov have a cracking poll out which I think backs up Alexander’s point.

    It is my favourite of all of the non VI questions which accompnaty polls

    Which of the following do you think are the most
    important issues facing the country at this time? Please
    tick up to three.

    The issued of importance ranked in order where as follows

    1. The economy
    2. Immigration & Asylum
    3. Health
    4. Crime
    5. Pensions
    6. Afghanistan
    7. Tax
    8. Education
    9. The environment
    10. Family life & childcare
    11. Europe
    12. Transport
    ______________________________________

    the bit that might interest many is that YG have asked the question, which issues matter to you and your family at this time… This provides us with different priorities (and %s). Note that pensions climbs in importance and afghan and immigration drop (see below).

    1. The economy
    2. Pensions
    3. Health
    4. Tax
    5. Immigration & Asylum
    6. Crime
    7. Family life & childcare
    8. Education
    9. The environment
    10. Transport
    11. Europe
    12. Afghanistan

    Crucialy I think… 64% of people think the economy is one of the top three issues affecting thier family.

    That is to say 36% of people did not even have it in their top three. When one considers that 77% of people put it in their list of the top three things affecting the country… one can measure the margin of those saying yes the country but not my family.

    There is plenty of more data in th etables for those who are interested in polls.

  42. so, should I support this AV next may , as a labour voter ?

  43. @Sue/ Colin

    All I’ve found is that Spain wants to reduce it debt/gdp ratio from 11.2% last year to 9.3% this year and below 3% by 2013. They have already made cuts of £40bn with more in the pipeline. They have cut public sector wages by 5%, frozen pensions and totally removed a £2000 childbirth payment. I don’t think we need a govt approval poll.

  44. @ Colin

    Germany continue to run a fairly high deficit; consider how much 5% of Germany’s GDP is! The German economy is based on 50 years of STATE investment in industry. ermany give subsidies for job creation that literally make my mouth water! Taking tax reliefs & subsidies together, up to 50% of capital investment can be paid for by the German tax-payer.

    Here is an example: 30% subsidy if you spend E500k gross & guarantee to create 1 job for 5 years. So, E150k cash subsidy & the balance eligible for tax relief. There is clawback if you make the new job redundant within the 5 years. The E30k (E150k/ 5yrs) is enough to cover the cost of employing a low-skilled worker.

    Taxes in Germany for companies & individuals would scare the beejeebers out of the Tax Avoiders’ Alliance.

    You do not build an economy like Germany’s without massive STATE intervention & high taxes. 8-)

  45. Welshman,

    On referenda, vote with your heart- they only happen once in a blue moon (pardon the pun).

  46. Known locally as Gareth Williams from Angelsey (CCHQ worker on secondment to M16).
    Seems that a message was being sent (mobile phone and SIM card).
    For someone in a sensitive post, a fortnight is a long time to go missing.

  47. @AMBER STAR
    When there were two Germanys one of them certainly had a very powerful state element, about 99.9 %. It also ran on the policies of state socialism. I don’t remember it doing all that well. Most of its people wanted to run away. Mind you I am reaching that stage myself.

  48. @ Roland

    I know you are tongue in cheek but I will respond with a dash of seriousness. Many East Germans, mainly those over 30, were not deliriously happy about re-unification.

    Remember, until then, they had homes & jobs for life. They were also wary of many things that we can identify with e.g. crime, multi-culturalism, sleb culture, obesity, litter & graffitti, traffic congestion etc. None of which they had to worry much about before re-unification.
    8-)

  49. Welshman – I agree totally with Eoin.

  50. @AMBER STAR
    I am well aware of the accuracy of your comment. It shows what left wing propaganda can do to whole sections of society. I bet their grand kids are happy now though.

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