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		<title>By: John B Dick</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2381/comment-page-2#comment-594006</link>
		<dc:creator>John B Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:

You should either exclude Scotland or treat it separately. 

The contest in Scotland is between SNP and Labour and the press led by The Scotsman are not so much pro-Labour as anti-SNP. 

Meanwhile the SNP government aims to impress voters and is dealing with a huge number of neglected issues usually of little relevance or interest to urban populations or the press. Only one of these initiatives can bring them many votes and some are controversial but there are a huge number of such issues.

People get their information from many sources other  than the national newspapers, not least industry journals. 

4% of people in employment are in the NHS. There must be far more who pass through a hospital in the course of a year.  East coast fishing communities are already solidly behind the SNP because of their CFP policy. Even if people have reservations, they credit the SNP with taking a serious interest.

Do you know anyone trained in sales or marketing? If  so ask them about bad-mouthing a competitor.

The Labour party in Scotland must have hundreds of members who have sales training, but to the party members and press a political party is more akin to a football team than an organisation bidding for a five-year contract to manage the country.  Thus the supporters are more interested in whether their team can attack the opposing team than actually score a goal, and if the team has a bad season, they sack the manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>You should either exclude Scotland or treat it separately. </p>
<p>The contest in Scotland is between SNP and Labour and the press led by The Scotsman are not so much pro-Labour as anti-SNP. </p>
<p>Meanwhile the SNP government aims to impress voters and is dealing with a huge number of neglected issues usually of little relevance or interest to urban populations or the press. Only one of these initiatives can bring them many votes and some are controversial but there are a huge number of such issues.</p>
<p>People get their information from many sources other  than the national newspapers, not least industry journals. </p>
<p>4% of people in employment are in the NHS. There must be far more who pass through a hospital in the course of a year.  East coast fishing communities are already solidly behind the SNP because of their CFP policy. Even if people have reservations, they credit the SNP with taking a serious interest.</p>
<p>Do you know anyone trained in sales or marketing? If  so ask them about bad-mouthing a competitor.</p>
<p>The Labour party in Scotland must have hundreds of members who have sales training, but to the party members and press a political party is more akin to a football team than an organisation bidding for a five-year contract to manage the country.  Thus the supporters are more interested in whether their team can attack the opposing team than actually score a goal, and if the team has a bad season, they sack the manager.</p>
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		<title>By: John B Dick</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon:</p>
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		<title>By: percy holmes</title>
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		<dc:creator>percy holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The country taking longer than many to come out of recession may be a plus for labour as it reinforces how wrong the Tories were to pump for early cuts. Undoubtedly Cameron is a much better at PR than Brown. Recently Brown appears much more confident on TV. His comments on Afghanistan and other non economic matters are more detailed and informed in contrast to Camerons. The bonus tax has hit well with the public. If the GDP growth is positive in January  I would expect the small shift in the polls to labour to continue for a while.  It takes a real drama to make a step change shift in opinion. Once a trend is established it is difficult to stop it.  The real quaetion is what is happening in the marginals and are floating voters reaching soild ground</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The country taking longer than many to come out of recession may be a plus for labour as it reinforces how wrong the Tories were to pump for early cuts. Undoubtedly Cameron is a much better at PR than Brown. Recently Brown appears much more confident on TV. His comments on Afghanistan and other non economic matters are more detailed and informed in contrast to Camerons. The bonus tax has hit well with the public. If the GDP growth is positive in January  I would expect the small shift in the polls to labour to continue for a while.  It takes a real drama to make a step change shift in opinion. Once a trend is established it is difficult to stop it.  The real quaetion is what is happening in the marginals and are floating voters reaching soild ground</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Manns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Manns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Chris

&quot;partisan&quot;

No more than your assertion that &quot;Labour can win it with just their core support. The tories certainly can’t.&quot;

Core vote, is presumably, those who&#039;ll vote for Party X come what may. In which case, the lowest vote for Labour since Ramsey McDonald has been 1983 (27.6%) vs. the Tories&#039; 30.7% in 1997. Neither could win with that, and Labour&#039;s is smaller.

&quot;no swing in council and euro&quot;

You should be quite aware of the irrelevance of Euro and council elections to the General Election. If you&#039;re not convinced, I&#039;d point out that the Tories have won every EU election since 1997, where Labour won in 1989 and 1994 during Tory rule. If anything, all these results tell you is who isn&#039;t in power in Westminster right now.

&quot;c) highly questionable&quot; (my point about regional swing)

Firstly, core Labour seats are, by definition, lowest on the Tory target list. They don&#039;t need these to win, much as Labour didn&#039;t need Henley to win in 1997.

Secondly, have you sat down and worked the regional values out, then put it into Martin Baxter&#039;s predictor? I have. I do not make these statements on a whim.

Etc. Etc. I am often partisan, but I find your claim to be some neutral arbiter hollow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Chris</p>
<p>&#8220;partisan&#8221;</p>
<p>No more than your assertion that &#8220;Labour can win it with just their core support. The tories certainly can’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Core vote, is presumably, those who&#8217;ll vote for Party X come what may. In which case, the lowest vote for Labour since Ramsey McDonald has been 1983 (27.6%) vs. the Tories&#8217; 30.7% in 1997. Neither could win with that, and Labour&#8217;s is smaller.</p>
<p>&#8220;no swing in council and euro&#8221;</p>
<p>You should be quite aware of the irrelevance of Euro and council elections to the General Election. If you&#8217;re not convinced, I&#8217;d point out that the Tories have won every EU election since 1997, where Labour won in 1989 and 1994 during Tory rule. If anything, all these results tell you is who isn&#8217;t in power in Westminster right now.</p>
<p>&#8220;c) highly questionable&#8221; (my point about regional swing)</p>
<p>Firstly, core Labour seats are, by definition, lowest on the Tory target list. They don&#8217;t need these to win, much as Labour didn&#8217;t need Henley to win in 1997.</p>
<p>Secondly, have you sat down and worked the regional values out, then put it into Martin Baxter&#8217;s predictor? I have. I do not make these statements on a whim.</p>
<p>Etc. Etc. I am often partisan, but I find your claim to be some neutral arbiter hollow.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard (Cheshire)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard (Cheshire)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took that long for that posting to come through, It&#039;s old news!!! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took that long for that posting to come through, It&#8217;s old news!!! <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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