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	<title>Comments on: New ICM and YouGov polls</title>
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		<title>By: john t t</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2367/comment-page-4#comment-593098</link>
		<dc:creator>john t t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy to say when you aren&#039;t taking the risk. This is no time for poker.

Also, many of the people responsible have gone, and many of those picking up the pieces and doing well now shouldn&#039;t be punished for the failures of others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy to say when you aren&#8217;t taking the risk. This is no time for poker.</p>
<p>Also, many of the people responsible have gone, and many of those picking up the pieces and doing well now shouldn&#8217;t be punished for the failures of others</p>
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		<title>By: John B Dick</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call their bluff.

Right at the beginning a Northern Rock shareholder said it all.

&quot;You were paid as supermen, but you quite clearly aren&#039;t&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call their bluff.</p>
<p>Right at the beginning a Northern Rock shareholder said it all.</p>
<p>&#8220;You were paid as supermen, but you quite clearly aren&#8217;t&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: john t t</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2367/comment-page-3#comment-592973</link>
		<dc:creator>john t t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s not so much the flight of talent (a lot of people like it here!), as the flight of capital (not much upheaval to transfer funds to more trusted  centres) that would cost us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s not so much the flight of talent (a lot of people like it here!), as the flight of capital (not much upheaval to transfer funds to more trusted  centres) that would cost us.</p>
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		<title>By: john t t</title>
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		<dc:creator>john t t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec - it would certainly shrink the financial sector (ironically, it&#039;s generally thought to be large size of the sector that has made us suffer more from the crunch)

Deferring bonuses for a year would take the heat out (a likely consequence of a one-year super-tax), and the most likely course.

For general levels of pay to come down, htere would need to be an over-supply of talent. Training more high-flying bankers would produce that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec &#8211; it would certainly shrink the financial sector (ironically, it&#8217;s generally thought to be large size of the sector that has made us suffer more from the crunch)</p>
<p>Deferring bonuses for a year would take the heat out (a likely consequence of a one-year super-tax), and the most likely course.</p>
<p>For general levels of pay to come down, htere would need to be an over-supply of talent. Training more high-flying bankers would produce that.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Leslie - my understanding is that the RBS board have stated they have a legal obligation to take decisions in the best interests of the company. If they believe this means paying large bonuses to attract/keep the best staff then they would (in their view) have no choice but to resign if the government blocks this. The prefered route that the government now appears to take is to levy a tax on bonus payments. this is more sensible, as it could be levied on all banks, not just the one&#039;s with direct government ownership. There is a very strong argument that the entire banking system has been propped up by government, not just those with direct support, and the removal of competitors as part of the bail outs has enabled bigger profits for the remaining few, so a general industry wide tax is logical and morally reasonable. 

The more difficult question is whether this move would send bankers overseas and affect the wider ability of the banking sector to prosper. It&#039;s difficult, but I have two thoughts here. If it is a windfall tax (ie time limited) there would presumably be less incentive to move abroad if it clearly defined that the arrangement will be for a short period for a specific purpose. Secondly, I wonder whether we shouldn&#039;t just call their bluff. When you boil it down to the basics, the banks failed, and failed miserably. I see no evidence that massively rewarded staff performed well, and if they choose to leave these shores, we&#039;ll be losing failures. I&#039;m tempted to say let this happen, allow market forces to replace these people with the next generation, who may well earn less, but might perform better. As I said in an earlier post, I see little evidence that huge pay delivers huge performance, and I would be prepared to test the theory on the banks if need be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Leslie &#8211; my understanding is that the RBS board have stated they have a legal obligation to take decisions in the best interests of the company. If they believe this means paying large bonuses to attract/keep the best staff then they would (in their view) have no choice but to resign if the government blocks this. The prefered route that the government now appears to take is to levy a tax on bonus payments. this is more sensible, as it could be levied on all banks, not just the one&#8217;s with direct government ownership. There is a very strong argument that the entire banking system has been propped up by government, not just those with direct support, and the removal of competitors as part of the bail outs has enabled bigger profits for the remaining few, so a general industry wide tax is logical and morally reasonable. </p>
<p>The more difficult question is whether this move would send bankers overseas and affect the wider ability of the banking sector to prosper. It&#8217;s difficult, but I have two thoughts here. If it is a windfall tax (ie time limited) there would presumably be less incentive to move abroad if it clearly defined that the arrangement will be for a short period for a specific purpose. Secondly, I wonder whether we shouldn&#8217;t just call their bluff. When you boil it down to the basics, the banks failed, and failed miserably. I see no evidence that massively rewarded staff performed well, and if they choose to leave these shores, we&#8217;ll be losing failures. I&#8217;m tempted to say let this happen, allow market forces to replace these people with the next generation, who may well earn less, but might perform better. As I said in an earlier post, I see little evidence that huge pay delivers huge performance, and I would be prepared to test the theory on the banks if need be.</p>
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