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		<title>By: Robert Eggleston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Eggleston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst the past is not necessarily a good guide, for the last 35 years it has been difficult for any winning party to exceed 43% of the popular vote at a General Election. Not sure that even Thatcher achieved this in 1979. So I would say that 43% would be a the very top end of Tory expectations. I think it is unlikely that Tory support will increase during an election campaign which means that that the max they can expect will be around 40%. Lib (and now Lib Dem) support tends to increase during election campaigns but the increase will be dependant on their starting point. So if they enter an election at around 18% I suspect that the max they will get to is around 23%. I can&#039;t see Labour hitting their last Gen election number and others will perform better because of a general disillusionment with politics. But the vote split does not transform into seats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst the past is not necessarily a good guide, for the last 35 years it has been difficult for any winning party to exceed 43% of the popular vote at a General Election. Not sure that even Thatcher achieved this in 1979. So I would say that 43% would be a the very top end of Tory expectations. I think it is unlikely that Tory support will increase during an election campaign which means that that the max they can expect will be around 40%. Lib (and now Lib Dem) support tends to increase during election campaigns but the increase will be dependant on their starting point. So if they enter an election at around 18% I suspect that the max they will get to is around 23%. I can&#8217;t see Labour hitting their last Gen election number and others will perform better because of a general disillusionment with politics. But the vote split does not transform into seats</p>
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		<title>By: burkesworks</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2206/comment-page-1#comment-585687</link>
		<dc:creator>burkesworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cable certainly has a “manner” about him but he also has an odd voice and is a bit Norris McWhirterish.&lt;/i&gt;

I do hope you&#039;re referring to Mr McWhirter with his &lt;i&gt;Record Breakers&lt;/i&gt; hat on rather than his Freedom Association one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cable certainly has a “manner” about him but he also has an odd voice and is a bit Norris McWhirterish.</i></p>
<p>I do hope you&#8217;re referring to Mr McWhirter with his <i>Record Breakers</i> hat on rather than his Freedom Association one!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil A</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2206/comment-page-1#comment-585683</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tony,

I agree with you that almost anything&#039;s possible, but I don&#039;t agree with most of your reasoning.  As has been pointed out, the Tories are utterly dominant in local elections at the moment.  I don&#039;t know the details of the by-elections this year, but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if some of those Tory losses were in wards where the fact that there was a Tory councillor in the first place would have had my jaw on the floor.  Here in Plymouth we had Tories elected in wards which are out-and-out council estate, working class bastions.  If some of those were to be lost in future by-elections I wouldn&#039;t take it to mean that the Tories were on the back foot.

As for the Cable-Osborne-Darling comparisons, I think there is some politicking going on all round with the assessments of these individuals.  Cable certainly has a &quot;manner&quot; about him but he also has an odd voice and is a bit Norris McWhirterish.  I can see him getting on people&#039;s nerves if he was overexposed.  Osborne is a bit young to be a chancellor, and he is a little exposed on the ethical front due to expenses and yachts, but too much is made of his wealth, social class and education.  A rich Oxbridge graduate with a public school background can be a perfectly good chancellor, as has been demonstrated many times.  And Darling is actually one of the more honest, solid Labour frontbenchers.  His problems arise more from Gordon Brown&#039;s interference and constraints on him rather than his own flaws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tony,</p>
<p>I agree with you that almost anything&#8217;s possible, but I don&#8217;t agree with most of your reasoning.  As has been pointed out, the Tories are utterly dominant in local elections at the moment.  I don&#8217;t know the details of the by-elections this year, but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if some of those Tory losses were in wards where the fact that there was a Tory councillor in the first place would have had my jaw on the floor.  Here in Plymouth we had Tories elected in wards which are out-and-out council estate, working class bastions.  If some of those were to be lost in future by-elections I wouldn&#8217;t take it to mean that the Tories were on the back foot.</p>
<p>As for the Cable-Osborne-Darling comparisons, I think there is some politicking going on all round with the assessments of these individuals.  Cable certainly has a &#8220;manner&#8221; about him but he also has an odd voice and is a bit Norris McWhirterish.  I can see him getting on people&#8217;s nerves if he was overexposed.  Osborne is a bit young to be a chancellor, and he is a little exposed on the ethical front due to expenses and yachts, but too much is made of his wealth, social class and education.  A rich Oxbridge graduate with a public school background can be a perfectly good chancellor, as has been demonstrated many times.  And Darling is actually one of the more honest, solid Labour frontbenchers.  His problems arise more from Gordon Brown&#8217;s interference and constraints on him rather than his own flaws.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Experience tells me that when a party is unpopular, as Labour clearly is now, people are reluctant to admit to voting for it in polls. Similarly, people often want to be identified with a winner, which is what the Conservatives look to be at the moment. This may exaggerate the Conservative lead and local election results do support this, no matter what you might say.

If the recession does bottom out and the economic situation starts to improve and people also twig that just as many Conservative MPs as Labour MPs were implicated in the expenses scandal, then the gap between Labour and Conservative will start to shrink. If the Lib Dems maintain their slow but steady rise and gain any momentum during the campaign, we should be into hung parliament territory.

But the key will be if Labour can get its vote out; I suspect Labour voters may have less motivation to turn out and a low turnout will benefit the Conservatives. Most new voters I&#039;ve spoken to seem fairly uninterested, though most of those who are committed seem to be students and hence many support the Lib Dem stance on tuition fees. The rest seem fairly evenly split between the other two parties, but there is a worrying trend to voting BNP purely as a protest amongst those who don&#039;t know their policies.

It&#039;s all still to play for. I&#039;m sure Labour can&#039;t win, but I&#039;m not certain the Conservatives can get an overall majority, though they will certainly be the biggest party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Experience tells me that when a party is unpopular, as Labour clearly is now, people are reluctant to admit to voting for it in polls. Similarly, people often want to be identified with a winner, which is what the Conservatives look to be at the moment. This may exaggerate the Conservative lead and local election results do support this, no matter what you might say.</p>
<p>If the recession does bottom out and the economic situation starts to improve and people also twig that just as many Conservative MPs as Labour MPs were implicated in the expenses scandal, then the gap between Labour and Conservative will start to shrink. If the Lib Dems maintain their slow but steady rise and gain any momentum during the campaign, we should be into hung parliament territory.</p>
<p>But the key will be if Labour can get its vote out; I suspect Labour voters may have less motivation to turn out and a low turnout will benefit the Conservatives. Most new voters I&#8217;ve spoken to seem fairly uninterested, though most of those who are committed seem to be students and hence many support the Lib Dem stance on tuition fees. The rest seem fairly evenly split between the other two parties, but there is a worrying trend to voting BNP purely as a protest amongst those who don&#8217;t know their policies.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all still to play for. I&#8217;m sure Labour can&#8217;t win, but I&#8217;m not certain the Conservatives can get an overall majority, though they will certainly be the biggest party.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard a lot of people mention about Labours record in GE&#039;s compared to EU,Local,by-Elections.

What is different however is Brown was not PM,Election winning machine Blair was.

The truth is however,Brown was not popular  as PM in the good times,he isn&#039;r going to be popular now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard a lot of people mention about Labours record in GE&#8217;s compared to EU,Local,by-Elections.</p>
<p>What is different however is Brown was not PM,Election winning machine Blair was.</p>
<p>The truth is however,Brown was not popular  as PM in the good times,he isn&#8217;r going to be popular now.</p>
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