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		<title>By: John B Dick</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2199/comment-page-3#comment-585302</link>
		<dc:creator>John B Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When will [the Scots]  ever get over the fact that Maggie is no longer PM?

When she&#039;s dead and the BBC no longer put out anniversary programming.

&quot;Salmond’s SNP administration in Holyrood would have collapsed long ago without tacit, and at times overt, support from Goldie.&quot;

AG has worked out how to operate in this  environment. There is no sign that any in the Scottish Labour party have, or that the UK party would allow the flexibility that would be necessary. Labour have too many other problems to participate and perhaps lack the will to do so.

Perhaps after losing the next UK and SP elections they will begin to act as a responsible minor party should. That would be better for everyone, including the SNP government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When will [the Scots]  ever get over the fact that Maggie is no longer PM?</p>
<p>When she&#8217;s dead and the BBC no longer put out anniversary programming.</p>
<p>&#8220;Salmond’s SNP administration in Holyrood would have collapsed long ago without tacit, and at times overt, support from Goldie.&#8221;</p>
<p>AG has worked out how to operate in this  environment. There is no sign that any in the Scottish Labour party have, or that the UK party would allow the flexibility that would be necessary. Labour have too many other problems to participate and perhaps lack the will to do so.</p>
<p>Perhaps after losing the next UK and SP elections they will begin to act as a responsible minor party should. That would be better for everyone, including the SNP government.</p>
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		<title>By: John B Dick</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2199/comment-page-3#comment-585299</link>
		<dc:creator>John B Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack

&quot;I’ll vote for LD as it is the best chance to stop Con/Lab in my area. &quot;

Maybe that explains the fall in LD support in Scotland. The face competition from the SNP as best buy for the negative voter. That can be very regional or local.

It&#039;s not about what the LD&#039;s have done or not done, it&#039;s just that in some places there is a better product available.

The SNP in this SLD constituency claim that they couldn&#039;t find anybody who voted FOR the LD and very many who voted against Con, Lab, Con+LAB or SNP.

Is that a prescription for a safe LD seat? Are the negative voters the majority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ll vote for LD as it is the best chance to stop Con/Lab in my area. &#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe that explains the fall in LD support in Scotland. The face competition from the SNP as best buy for the negative voter. That can be very regional or local.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about what the LD&#8217;s have done or not done, it&#8217;s just that in some places there is a better product available.</p>
<p>The SNP in this SLD constituency claim that they couldn&#8217;t find anybody who voted FOR the LD and very many who voted against Con, Lab, Con+LAB or SNP.</p>
<p>Is that a prescription for a safe LD seat? Are the negative voters the majority?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Myers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how anyone in their right mind could describe Brown&#039;s Labour party as &quot;conservative&quot; - they are nothing of the sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how anyone in their right mind could describe Brown&#8217;s Labour party as &#8220;conservative&#8221; &#8211; they are nothing of the sort.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DirtyEuro

You and a few others posting seem to think Politics should be defined by Left and Right wing .The population are not like that they don&#039;t think in terms of Lenin or Marx or Adam Smith .Left and Right are rather arcane concepts now.

To me you have two largely conservative parties (Labour and Conservative plus UKIP and BNP) who fundamentally want to keep things as they are/go back King Canute style to what we once seemed to be)   and swap power occassionallly and two largely progressive parties Liberal Democrats and Greens.

There are some progressives in both Labour and Conservative parties too but there a a minority.

The politics of left and right is an early 20th Century concept that is finally dying (at last) hence the decline in Labour and Conservative combined vote share at each successive GE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DirtyEuro</p>
<p>You and a few others posting seem to think Politics should be defined by Left and Right wing .The population are not like that they don&#8217;t think in terms of Lenin or Marx or Adam Smith .Left and Right are rather arcane concepts now.</p>
<p>To me you have two largely conservative parties (Labour and Conservative plus UKIP and BNP) who fundamentally want to keep things as they are/go back King Canute style to what we once seemed to be)   and swap power occassionallly and two largely progressive parties Liberal Democrats and Greens.</p>
<p>There are some progressives in both Labour and Conservative parties too but there a a minority.</p>
<p>The politics of left and right is an early 20th Century concept that is finally dying (at last) hence the decline in Labour and Conservative combined vote share at each successive GE.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2199/comment-page-3#comment-585262</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comedy Res Due tonight anything can happen
Prediction:
Con 1
Lab 90
Lib 9</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comedy Res Due tonight anything can happen<br />
Prediction:<br />
Con 1<br />
Lab 90<br />
Lib 9</p>
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		<title>By: NickR</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2199/comment-page-3#comment-585260</link>
		<dc:creator>NickR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Independent is saying there is a ComRes poll due out tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Independent is saying there is a ComRes poll due out tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Keene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Keene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lib Dems have as a party appeared more often than not to be on the  left wing of British politics or posing as such but at a constituency level it is another matter. Their problem is that whilst the activists certainly are that way inclined -their  supporters in the majority of the ex-Tory seats which they hold are decidedly not. They cannot break free of this impasse.
                     Thus for my money they are not a true left wing party and you cannot simply lump their votes together with those of Labour and pontificate that lo and behold there is a left wing majority in the UK which can rule forever. I would love nothing better than to see the Lib Dems and Labour form one centre left party-one target is easier to hit than two- but I see no liklehood of that happening in the near future.
Mind you I never thought Tiger Woods would miss the cut in the Open....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lib Dems have as a party appeared more often than not to be on the  left wing of British politics or posing as such but at a constituency level it is another matter. Their problem is that whilst the activists certainly are that way inclined -their  supporters in the majority of the ex-Tory seats which they hold are decidedly not. They cannot break free of this impasse.<br />
                     Thus for my money they are not a true left wing party and you cannot simply lump their votes together with those of Labour and pontificate that lo and behold there is a left wing majority in the UK which can rule forever. I would love nothing better than to see the Lib Dems and Labour form one centre left party-one target is easier to hit than two- but I see no liklehood of that happening in the near future.<br />
Mind you I never thought Tiger Woods would miss the cut in the Open&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dirty Euro

&#039;Th Lib dems are left wing they support nationalization the railways, removal of tuition fees, joining the euro.&#039;

They support temporary nationalisation of public services until the economic crisis is over, they do duspport the removal of tuition fews and only afew of them want to switch to the Euro. As a Lib Dem supporter i do think we should work more with the EU but i do not support converting to the EU, i find it odd quoteing Mrs Thatcher but here i go:

&#039;The pound sterling has served the country and indeed the world well&#039; (or somthing to that accord).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dirty Euro</p>
<p>&#8216;Th Lib dems are left wing they support nationalization the railways, removal of tuition fees, joining the euro.&#8217;</p>
<p>They support temporary nationalisation of public services until the economic crisis is over, they do duspport the removal of tuition fews and only afew of them want to switch to the Euro. As a Lib Dem supporter i do think we should work more with the EU but i do not support converting to the EU, i find it odd quoteing Mrs Thatcher but here i go:</p>
<p>&#8216;The pound sterling has served the country and indeed the world well&#8217; (or somthing to that accord).</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Manns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Manns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anthony Wells

I wasn&#039;t aware that the there were more than the minimum of no. seats, but the average Welsh or Scottish constituency still has significantly fewer people than the UK average: Wales has 6.2% of MPs (40) but 4.9% (3/61) of the population, Scotland has 9.1% of MPs (59) but 8.3% (5.16/61) of the UK population.

No doubt there are reasons why the Boundary Commissions have allocated more seats than population would suggest, but I was trying to illustrate that they are subject to rules that cause imbalances in the sizes of constituencies and Wales would still have more than 4.9% of MPs, even if Wales only had the minimum of 35.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anthony Wells</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware that the there were more than the minimum of no. seats, but the average Welsh or Scottish constituency still has significantly fewer people than the UK average: Wales has 6.2% of MPs (40) but 4.9% (3/61) of the population, Scotland has 9.1% of MPs (59) but 8.3% (5.16/61) of the UK population.</p>
<p>No doubt there are reasons why the Boundary Commissions have allocated more seats than population would suggest, but I was trying to illustrate that they are subject to rules that cause imbalances in the sizes of constituencies and Wales would still have more than 4.9% of MPs, even if Wales only had the minimum of 35.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2199/comment-page-2#comment-585245</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering what the affect on the electoral tilt would be if - as has been suggested - the number of MPs were drastically reduced. 

The most recent boundary changes have been tinkering - 651 in 1992, 659 in 1997 &amp; 2001, 646 in 2005 &amp; 650 in 2010. These seem to have had little impact on the pro-Labour tilt of the system. But what would reducing the number of MPs to 600 or less do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering what the affect on the electoral tilt would be if &#8211; as has been suggested &#8211; the number of MPs were drastically reduced. </p>
<p>The most recent boundary changes have been tinkering &#8211; 651 in 1992, 659 in 1997 &amp; 2001, 646 in 2005 &amp; 650 in 2010. These seem to have had little impact on the pro-Labour tilt of the system. But what would reducing the number of MPs to 600 or less do?</p>
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