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		<title>By: Tony Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until today, as an ex-Liberal, I was intending to vote Conservative come the General Election. However, I have heard on the news tonight that Brown has ordered a look at Electoral Reform. If, and it is a big if, he can deliver a referendum BEFORE calling a General Election AND that at least AV Electoral Reform is as a consequence thus implemented PRIOR to GE polling day next year I will switch to Labour, even if still led by him - as I suspect many current Cameron-leaning ex-Liberals would do?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until today, as an ex-Liberal, I was intending to vote Conservative come the General Election. However, I have heard on the news tonight that Brown has ordered a look at Electoral Reform. If, and it is a big if, he can deliver a referendum BEFORE calling a General Election AND that at least AV Electoral Reform is as a consequence thus implemented PRIOR to GE polling day next year I will switch to Labour, even if still led by him &#8211; as I suspect many current Cameron-leaning ex-Liberals would do?!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Keene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Keene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec

Do try to keep up? What keep up with you!!!

Please answer the question originally put to you by Angusa 

Where does the OCED say  in their latest report as YOU HAVE CLAIMED that they forecast growth in 2009? Until you answer that question  which you have been dodging ever since Angusa put it you have zero credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec</p>
<p>Do try to keep up? What keep up with you!!!</p>
<p>Please answer the question originally put to you by Angusa </p>
<p>Where does the OCED say  in their latest report as YOU HAVE CLAIMED that they forecast growth in 2009? Until you answer that question  which you have been dodging ever since Angusa put it you have zero credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H-J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H-J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec,

I think that where we may differ in our view of the validity of ’sharing the proceeds of growth’ as a policy is that you are looking at it from what is right / needed for the country, whereas (all) politicians have to make a subtly different calculation as to what is &quot;acceptable&quot; to the electorate in order to gain office.

The sad reality is that the electorate do not have a good track record in rewarding politicians who present honest, but unpalatable, positions.

The economic predicament in which we find our country is not solely the responsibility of either the government or bankers, but of all those who suspended their doubts and bought into the idea that we could somehow maintain our standard of living on the back of borrowing against inflated asset prices.

At the risk of getting into a morality debate, the tragedy is that any solution will require the genuinely prudent to shoulder the greater burden while the profligate are supported out of the mire into which they have wandered.  But it was ever thus.

Preventing a recurrence of the problem will however require some serious changes not just to government and welfare policy, but to social attitudes and ideas of personal responsibility - and that is where the &quot;Broken Britain&quot; strategy comes into play.

Fortunately, that task is not so much about spending programmes and more about moral leadership. In teh long-term it could significantly reduce the welfare burden on public spending - but it will be a long haul (decades, not just years).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec,</p>
<p>I think that where we may differ in our view of the validity of ’sharing the proceeds of growth’ as a policy is that you are looking at it from what is right / needed for the country, whereas (all) politicians have to make a subtly different calculation as to what is &#8220;acceptable&#8221; to the electorate in order to gain office.</p>
<p>The sad reality is that the electorate do not have a good track record in rewarding politicians who present honest, but unpalatable, positions.</p>
<p>The economic predicament in which we find our country is not solely the responsibility of either the government or bankers, but of all those who suspended their doubts and bought into the idea that we could somehow maintain our standard of living on the back of borrowing against inflated asset prices.</p>
<p>At the risk of getting into a morality debate, the tragedy is that any solution will require the genuinely prudent to shoulder the greater burden while the profligate are supported out of the mire into which they have wandered.  But it was ever thus.</p>
<p>Preventing a recurrence of the problem will however require some serious changes not just to government and welfare policy, but to social attitudes and ideas of personal responsibility &#8211; and that is where the &#8220;Broken Britain&#8221; strategy comes into play.</p>
<p>Fortunately, that task is not so much about spending programmes and more about moral leadership. In teh long-term it could significantly reduce the welfare burden on public spending &#8211; but it will be a long haul (decades, not just years).</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2171/comment-page-2#comment-583389</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul H-J - I agree with pretty much all of what you say. I am slightly less charitable towards Cameron/Osborne, particularly with the &#039;sharing the proceeds of growth&#039; line they used to take. Both parties have also largely ignored the enormous imbalance in taxation that favours the wealthy that has been a major part of the structural deficit, and to date no one has come up with any proposals that will enable economic policy and performance to become less reliant on the distortions of a malfunctioning housing market. Over time uncontrolled assett inflation is as bad as retail price inflation, but despite repeated bad experiences with this UK policy makers have steadfastly refused to adapt policy. Osborn is beginning to talk about restricting mortgage credit in one way or another, but unless this is combined with other actions to either boost supply or control demand, house buying will return to something only the middle classes can achieve. But you&#039;re right - there will be pain, and the political argument will be over where that pain will fall. The Tory&#039;s past record on this is not good, but we&#039;ll have to wait and see if Cameron can do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul H-J &#8211; I agree with pretty much all of what you say. I am slightly less charitable towards Cameron/Osborne, particularly with the &#8216;sharing the proceeds of growth&#8217; line they used to take. Both parties have also largely ignored the enormous imbalance in taxation that favours the wealthy that has been a major part of the structural deficit, and to date no one has come up with any proposals that will enable economic policy and performance to become less reliant on the distortions of a malfunctioning housing market. Over time uncontrolled assett inflation is as bad as retail price inflation, but despite repeated bad experiences with this UK policy makers have steadfastly refused to adapt policy. Osborn is beginning to talk about restricting mortgage credit in one way or another, but unless this is combined with other actions to either boost supply or control demand, house buying will return to something only the middle classes can achieve. But you&#8217;re right &#8211; there will be pain, and the political argument will be over where that pain will fall. The Tory&#8217;s past record on this is not good, but we&#8217;ll have to wait and see if Cameron can do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H-J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul H-J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec,

On the economy, there are a range of views as to:
a - the likely path / timeline for recovery
b - the measures most likely to have an impact on that path in the short-term
c - the long-term impact of any measures in b (which may differ from their short-term impact)
d - whether it is preferable to have a double-dip (&quot;W&quot;)or a prolonged slow (&quot;L&quot;) recovery. (a sharp &quot;V&quot; is most unlikely - and probably undesirable).

Whatever the measures taken and the pace of the recovery, one fact remains, the country has a large structural fiscal deficit which is unsustainable in the long-term. That will require a combination of public spending cuts and tax rises to repair. We can debate the balance as between spending cuts and tax rises, but we cannot ignore the problem.

I agree that Cameron / Osborne policy from 2006-2008 failed to address that issue, but I think that was probably driven more by political calculations than a lack of economic understanding. The evidence for taht is how quickly the party has adapted to what is a new political paradigm (inasmuch that the public may now finally understand that the economic trajectory for much of teh past decade was always unsustainable) and are willing to accept that (a) we have a problem and (b) the solutions will be painful.

Brown on the other hand appears to be adopting the Micawber approach that something will turn up to make his problem go away. In all probability taht something will be that time runs out on him and it becomes Cameron&#039;s problem not his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec,</p>
<p>On the economy, there are a range of views as to:<br />
a &#8211; the likely path / timeline for recovery<br />
b &#8211; the measures most likely to have an impact on that path in the short-term<br />
c &#8211; the long-term impact of any measures in b (which may differ from their short-term impact)<br />
d &#8211; whether it is preferable to have a double-dip (&#8220;W&#8221;)or a prolonged slow (&#8220;L&#8221;) recovery. (a sharp &#8220;V&#8221; is most unlikely &#8211; and probably undesirable).</p>
<p>Whatever the measures taken and the pace of the recovery, one fact remains, the country has a large structural fiscal deficit which is unsustainable in the long-term. That will require a combination of public spending cuts and tax rises to repair. We can debate the balance as between spending cuts and tax rises, but we cannot ignore the problem.</p>
<p>I agree that Cameron / Osborne policy from 2006-2008 failed to address that issue, but I think that was probably driven more by political calculations than a lack of economic understanding. The evidence for taht is how quickly the party has adapted to what is a new political paradigm (inasmuch that the public may now finally understand that the economic trajectory for much of teh past decade was always unsustainable) and are willing to accept that (a) we have a problem and (b) the solutions will be painful.</p>
<p>Brown on the other hand appears to be adopting the Micawber approach that something will turn up to make his problem go away. In all probability taht something will be that time runs out on him and it becomes Cameron&#8217;s problem not his.</p>
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