Promsan – So where is the land of ethnic origin to which your children wil be sent – with generous assistance from the taxpayer ?”

You really are proving me right aren’t you… read the quote, it says “no compulsion”… I’m dyslexic, what’s your excuse?

“Your open minded enough to view Giovanni Gentile as the last word on the definition of facism, when I never called the B-NP fascists anyway.”
Gentile’s the first word; why would anyone take third-hand info from splenetic opponents seriously?
(true… a consolation goal for you to reminisce upon).

“Your so keyed up on rigerous critical thinking you accept the B-NP manifesto as the last word on their policies and views.”
Occam’s Razor old bean. You can’t have it both ways – either they’re scar-faced cat-stroking Dr Evils or knuckle-dragging thugs who use drugged up donkeys to type their manifestos.
(I’m also keyed up on spelling most of the time…)

“I wonder why they took this and other articles off their website ?”
Perhaps they just changed their mind, it does happen – why don’t you try it?

“You don’t even know whether I suport the B-NP or not, you’ve just made an assumption.”
No I didn’t. There you go again… not reading things properly… jumping to conclusions that suit your prejudices.

…such is the way of the true believer who twists facts to suit arguments rather than arguments to suit facts.

They have dual citizenship, they can choose; without subsidy.

…I can get very detailed about it and cite clear moral arguments to support each view … but this is not the place for this kind of exposition; so stop trying to hijack it.

Your open minded enough to view Giovanni Gentile as the last word on the definition of facism, when I never called the BNP fascists anyway.

Your so keyed up on rigerous critical thinking you accept the BNP manifesto as the last word on their policies and views.

I wonder why they took this and other articles off their website ?

You don’t even know whether I suport the BNP or not, you’ve just made an assumption.

Plato’s “Early Socratic Dialogues” is a good book. The penguin classics version is Trevor Saunders’ translation (that’s the one I have) and it has a very good explanation of logical fallacy. I highly recommend it.

“Behold the evil liar!” etc…

yawn.

It is another logical fallacy: the false dilemma.
There is not “one question” there to agree with, but three statements:

1. There is a statement about “miscegenation” – I am a serial miscegenator (!).
2. There is a statement about a survey I’ve never heard of.
3. There is a statement about what the majority of BNP voters and activists think – I’ve never knowingly met any.

With that in mind, to bumblingly grunt a transparently lame loaded question out that doesn’t display any evidence that you yourself have even read the quotes you’ve pasted, of “do you agree with Mr Griffen”, as if you are some kind of “Columbo”, and expect an answer, is a bit thick, don’t you think? (I mean literally, “Don’t you think?!”)
I’ve already answered your question with my answer, not your answer. The reason I did that, is because your question is flawed.

I’ve just googled that article – can’t find it.
“www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=YRE&q=%22The+BNP%3AAnti-asylum+protest%2C+racist+sect+or+power-winning+movement%3F%22&btnG=Search&meta=”
Do you honestly expect anyone to respond to something you can’t cite?!

I don’t mind that B-NP don’t explicitly say they want a “moratorium on immigration”; what they do say is, and (unlike you, I can cite it) I quote:
“we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.”
[source: "http://bnp.org.uk/policies/immigration/", last accessed 2009-06-06]

The first part of this amounts to the same thing; the second part is fine by me; the third part I don’t object to either, because there is no compulsion; hence it is not fascist.
If you go around raking up every single error of judgment or ill-conceived inarticulate utterance that every person ever does, you will find the whole world wanting – especially yourself. It is a man’s perogative to change his mind – why don’t you change yours for one that works?

It is only you who are proving that your true colours can’t be hidden – you want us all to think like you do, or face various punishments for heresy against your cult.

The BNP policy is not one of a moratorium on immigration. Even you should know that.

Your proving the point really, like Nick Griffin, your true views can’t be hidden.

Actually Tom, my wife is of a different ethnicity to me (and my children are “miscegenated”), so don’t you dare start trying the same mock-liberal ad hominem abuse that genuine fascists like you seem to enjoy.

I’m educated enough to know that “race” does not exist; and by implication, neither does racism. Ethnicity is what is meant; and ethnocentrism is what is going on.

Do I agree with Mr Griffin…
Well even the way you raise that question is McCarthyite… Do you really mean “Am I an evil Nazi?”
However, your self-evident inarticulacy and incipience is enough for me disregard that, and report that actually, I am intellectually curious enough to challenge all my opinions (as an engineer and an linguist/area studies grad), and open enough to read all manifestos without prejudice – unlike genuine bigots like you (bigotry meaning the stubborn refusal to engage with new information, simply because of the source), who will only shop for ideas at same “Fash food” joint.

There is content in more than one manifesto that I can go along with, including that of the B-NP; though I do recognise that the way they express ideas should be refined – but I am able to discern the difference between the content of a message from the packaging.

There is no party that sufficiently represents my views, but I’ve no problem with anyone voting B-NP, because I know that long-term it will result is a pile of smouldering resentments to be “had out” in public, and for solutions to be found.
To the point you clumsily try to raise: yes, I think we need a complete moratorium on immigration; I think we need “a first amendment”; I see “mulitculturalism” or “immigrationism” and “globalisation” (putting profit before people and their identity) as a problem for human societies all over the planet: be they Tibetans and West Papuans or native Australians or Amazonians being ethnically cleansed in their homeland; or the carve up of Africa pitching tribe against tribe… it is a fact of human nature, and the British are as human as any of those groups… and has been through history:

“Another cause of revolution is difference of races which do not at once acquire a common spirit; for a state is not the growth of a day, any more than it grows out of a multitude brought together by accident. Hence the reception of strangers in colonies, either at the time of their foundation or afterwards, has generally produced revolution; for example, the Achaeans who joined the Troezenians in the foundation of Sybaris, becoming later the more numerous, expelled them; hence the curse fell upon Sybaris. At Thurii the Sybarites quarrelled with their fellow-colonists; thinking that the land belonged to them, they wanted too much of it and were driven out.”

Aristotle, “Politics”, Part III, Book V (4th century BC)

No go back the university library and get a book on critical thinking and logical fallacy before trying it on again.

It’s not name calling to refer to the BNP as Nazi’s, it’s about political classification.

From the BNP website, Nick Griffin’s article “The BNP:Anti-asylum protest, racist sect or power-winning movement ?” “An official statement by Party Chairman Nick Griffin.”

“miscegenation, [sex between people of different races] which we (the BNP) recognise as a form of genocide. This last assessment is shared by perhaps 10,000 people in the entire country, and probably would be regarded as an overstatement even by some – though, mericfully, not many of our own activists”

“there can be little doubt that virtually every one of our voters and a majority of our activists are compromised by some aspect of ‘multi-culti’ experiment, whether it be by supporting teams which include non-whites, buying ethnic takeaways or getting on well with a few individual members of ethnic minorities”

Do you agree with Mr Griffin I wonder ?

Nick Griffin again, same article – “It is a temptation to think, .. we can in turn move to a more ‘principled’ ‘hardline’ position and still take a significant number of voters with us. Tempting but politically suicidal.”

Does that sound like a party that fearless says what it means ?

The BNP line that when people quote what the BNP say it is a smear, a security services plant, funded by searchlight or “facistic” etc. is rather pathetic.