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		<title>By: Anthony Wells</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough - go and argue elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough &#8211; go and argue elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: promsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>promsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tom 

Promsan - So where is the land of ethnic origin to which your children wil be sent - with generous assistance from the taxpayer ?&quot;

You really are proving me right aren&#039;t you... read the quote, it says &quot;no compulsion&quot;... I&#039;m dyslexic, what&#039;s your excuse?

&quot;Your open minded enough to view Giovanni Gentile as the last word on the definition of facism, when I never called the B-NP fascists anyway.&quot;
Gentile&#039;s the first word; why would anyone take third-hand info from splenetic opponents seriously?
(true... a consolation goal for you to reminisce upon).

&quot;Your so keyed up on rigerous critical thinking you accept the B-NP manifesto as the last word on their policies and views.&quot;
Occam&#039;s Razor old bean. You can&#039;t have it both ways - either they&#039;re scar-faced cat-stroking Dr Evils or knuckle-dragging thugs who use drugged up donkeys to type their manifestos.
(I&#039;m also keyed up on spelling most of the time...)

&quot;I wonder why they took this and other articles off their website ?&quot;
Perhaps they just changed their mind, it does happen - why don&#039;t you try it?

&quot;You don’t even know whether I suport the B-NP or not, you’ve just made an assumption.&quot;
No I didn&#039;t. There you go again... not reading things properly... jumping to conclusions that suit your prejudices.

...such is the way of the true believer who twists facts to suit arguments rather than arguments to suit facts.

They have dual citizenship, they can choose; without subsidy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tom </p>
<p>Promsan &#8211; So where is the land of ethnic origin to which your children wil be sent &#8211; with generous assistance from the taxpayer ?&#8221;</p>
<p>You really are proving me right aren&#8217;t you&#8230; read the quote, it says &#8220;no compulsion&#8221;&#8230; I&#8217;m dyslexic, what&#8217;s your excuse?</p>
<p>&#8220;Your open minded enough to view Giovanni Gentile as the last word on the definition of facism, when I never called the B-NP fascists anyway.&#8221;<br />
Gentile&#8217;s the first word; why would anyone take third-hand info from splenetic opponents seriously?<br />
(true&#8230; a consolation goal for you to reminisce upon).</p>
<p>&#8220;Your so keyed up on rigerous critical thinking you accept the B-NP manifesto as the last word on their policies and views.&#8221;<br />
Occam&#8217;s Razor old bean. You can&#8217;t have it both ways &#8211; either they&#8217;re scar-faced cat-stroking Dr Evils or knuckle-dragging thugs who use drugged up donkeys to type their manifestos.<br />
(I&#8217;m also keyed up on spelling most of the time&#8230;)</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonder why they took this and other articles off their website ?&#8221;<br />
Perhaps they just changed their mind, it does happen &#8211; why don&#8217;t you try it?</p>
<p>&#8220;You don’t even know whether I suport the B-NP or not, you’ve just made an assumption.&#8221;<br />
No I didn&#8217;t. There you go again&#8230; not reading things properly&#8230; jumping to conclusions that suit your prejudices.</p>
<p>&#8230;such is the way of the true believer who twists facts to suit arguments rather than arguments to suit facts.</p>
<p>They have dual citizenship, they can choose; without subsidy.</p>
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		<title>By: promsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>promsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and of course, it does depend on what you mean by &quot;immigration&quot; ...there are various kinds; but I&#039;m assuming that we are talking about permanent settlement and citizenship; and work visas. I don&#039;t have a problem with indefinite leave to remain for foreign spouses, but I would not support spouses getting British citizenship, for the obvious reason that you want to ensure that there is never even the possibility of marriages of convenience taking place, not just for economic reasons, but also for criminal/human trafficking reasons: it&#039;s a moral position.
Likewise with asylum seekers, it is better for them to be dealt with nearer their place of origin; e.g.: funding the set up of mass-support for South Africa to support Zimbabweans, and facilitating their training so they can re-take control of their country from a truly fascist regime.

...I can get very detailed about it and cite clear moral arguments to support each view  ... but this is not the place for this kind of exposition; so stop trying to hijack it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and of course, it does depend on what you mean by &#8220;immigration&#8221; &#8230;there are various kinds; but I&#8217;m assuming that we are talking about permanent settlement and citizenship; and work visas. I don&#8217;t have a problem with indefinite leave to remain for foreign spouses, but I would not support spouses getting British citizenship, for the obvious reason that you want to ensure that there is never even the possibility of marriages of convenience taking place, not just for economic reasons, but also for criminal/human trafficking reasons: it&#8217;s a moral position.<br />
Likewise with asylum seekers, it is better for them to be dealt with nearer their place of origin; e.g.: funding the set up of mass-support for South Africa to support Zimbabweans, and facilitating their training so they can re-take control of their country from a truly fascist regime.</p>
<p>&#8230;I can get very detailed about it and cite clear moral arguments to support each view  &#8230; but this is not the place for this kind of exposition; so stop trying to hijack it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Promsan -  So where is the  land of ethnic origin to which your children wil be sent - with generous assistance from the taxpayer ? 

Your open minded enough to view Giovanni Gentile as the last word on the definition of facism, when I never called the BNP fascists anyway.  

Your so keyed up on rigerous critical thinking you accept the BNP manifesto as the last word on their policies and views. 

I wonder why they took this and other articles off their website ?

You don&#039;t even know whether I suport the BNP or not, you&#039;ve just made an assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promsan &#8211;  So where is the  land of ethnic origin to which your children wil be sent &#8211; with generous assistance from the taxpayer ? </p>
<p>Your open minded enough to view Giovanni Gentile as the last word on the definition of facism, when I never called the BNP fascists anyway.  </p>
<p>Your so keyed up on rigerous critical thinking you accept the BNP manifesto as the last word on their policies and views. </p>
<p>I wonder why they took this and other articles off their website ?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t even know whether I suport the BNP or not, you&#8217;ve just made an assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Plato&#039;s &quot;Early Socratic Dialogues&quot; is a good book.  The penguin classics version is Trevor Saunders&#039; translation (that&#039;s the one I have) and it has a very good explanation of logical fallacy.  I highly recommend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Plato&#8217;s &#8220;Early Socratic Dialogues&#8221; is a good book.  The penguin classics version is Trevor Saunders&#8217; translation (that&#8217;s the one I have) and it has a very good explanation of logical fallacy.  I highly recommend it.</p>
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