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		<title>By: Nick Keene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Keene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John tt

With respect it may be a totally different type of recession to you but to the bloke who has just lost his job it adds up to the same thing  -he is out of work. Fairly or unfairly such people tend to blame the government of the day regardless of whether it is left wing , right wing or in the centre. Gordon Brown is already getting a significant portion of the blame because the economy has gone wrong on his watch. You doubtless feel that is unjust but whoever said politics was fair? It ain&#039;t. 
Are you really seriously suggesting John that all or nearly all those in the DE socio economic group who voted Labour in 2005 but come to lose their jobs in the next 12 months will  STILL turn out in equal numbers and  vote Labour in 2010?
Ever since Maggie Thatcher forced the Labour party to embrace capitalism there has been very little to choose between the two main parties so far as economic policies are concerned. The test today is competence. So long as this government was perceived to be running the economy reasonably well the electorate tolerated them. That perception has changed and explains why the polls have once again swung away from Labour as indeed several of us forecast it would  on this site last autumn. Was it not Bill Clinton who once asked his staff to put up on their wall a sign saying &#039;It&#039;s the economy stupid&#039; ? Wise words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John tt</p>
<p>With respect it may be a totally different type of recession to you but to the bloke who has just lost his job it adds up to the same thing  -he is out of work. Fairly or unfairly such people tend to blame the government of the day regardless of whether it is left wing , right wing or in the centre. Gordon Brown is already getting a significant portion of the blame because the economy has gone wrong on his watch. You doubtless feel that is unjust but whoever said politics was fair? It ain&#8217;t.<br />
Are you really seriously suggesting John that all or nearly all those in the DE socio economic group who voted Labour in 2005 but come to lose their jobs in the next 12 months will  STILL turn out in equal numbers and  vote Labour in 2010?<br />
Ever since Maggie Thatcher forced the Labour party to embrace capitalism there has been very little to choose between the two main parties so far as economic policies are concerned. The test today is competence. So long as this government was perceived to be running the economy reasonably well the electorate tolerated them. That perception has changed and explains why the polls have once again swung away from Labour as indeed several of us forecast it would  on this site last autumn. Was it not Bill Clinton who once asked his staff to put up on their wall a sign saying &#8216;It&#8217;s the economy stupid&#8217; ? Wise words.</p>
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		<title>By: john t t</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - the only thing similar to the copnditions of 1979 is that unemployment is rising. Further than that, there are no similarities whatsoever. It&#039;s a completely different type of recession, occurring for totally different reasons.

People don&#039;t bother to vote when they realise there&#039;s no point - nothing in it for them. The bigger the difference between the two major parties, the more bothered people will be.

Thatcher appealed to the working classes in a way in which Cameron doesn&#039;t (yet), and despite Cable&#039;s performance, a big LibDem resurgence at the GE isn&#039;t likely among them either.

Is there polling data on turnout amongst the unemployed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; the only thing similar to the copnditions of 1979 is that unemployment is rising. Further than that, there are no similarities whatsoever. It&#8217;s a completely different type of recession, occurring for totally different reasons.</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t bother to vote when they realise there&#8217;s no point &#8211; nothing in it for them. The bigger the difference between the two major parties, the more bothered people will be.</p>
<p>Thatcher appealed to the working classes in a way in which Cameron doesn&#8217;t (yet), and despite Cable&#8217;s performance, a big LibDem resurgence at the GE isn&#8217;t likely among them either.</p>
<p>Is there polling data on turnout amongst the unemployed?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Keene</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1937/comment-page-2#comment-552971</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Keene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes and no Anthony.....You may have inadvertantly made the opposite point to the one you tried to make

1 It could be argued that it is precisely because the socio-economic groups who will suffer most from unemployment in the next 12 months are natural Labour supporters that makes the government so vulnerable on this issue. This is their core support and it&#039;s under threat.There are no Tory votes in danger here.

2 I grant you that relatively few of those in the DE&#039;s thrown out of work in the next 12 months are likely to vote Tory or Lib Dem or that the DE&#039;s will be anything other than solid Labour but I simply do not agree that they will turn out in the same numbers as in 2005 and vote Labour again. I do not believe that the majority who lose their jobs will bother to vote at all although some might even vote BNP.

3 In 1979-remember &#039;Labour is&#039;nt working&#039; ?- we had a very similar situation. Why should it be any different come 2010?  Rising unemployment under a Labour government=net loss of Labour votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes and no Anthony&#8230;..You may have inadvertantly made the opposite point to the one you tried to make</p>
<p>1 It could be argued that it is precisely because the socio-economic groups who will suffer most from unemployment in the next 12 months are natural Labour supporters that makes the government so vulnerable on this issue. This is their core support and it&#8217;s under threat.There are no Tory votes in danger here.</p>
<p>2 I grant you that relatively few of those in the DE&#8217;s thrown out of work in the next 12 months are likely to vote Tory or Lib Dem or that the DE&#8217;s will be anything other than solid Labour but I simply do not agree that they will turn out in the same numbers as in 2005 and vote Labour again. I do not believe that the majority who lose their jobs will bother to vote at all although some might even vote BNP.</p>
<p>3 In 1979-remember &#8216;Labour is&#8217;nt working&#8217; ?- we had a very similar situation. Why should it be any different come 2010?  Rising unemployment under a Labour government=net loss of Labour votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1937/comment-page-2#comment-552767</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just read Peston&#039;s blog.

He isn&#039;t getting any &quot;stick&quot;...?

He has a queue of people posting ,whose jaws dropped as low as his having heard Turner &amp; Sants today before the Treasury Select Committee.

Ye Gods.
It is all truly astounding &amp; utterly outrageous. 

If GB says &quot;it started in America&quot; and/or &quot;we need Global supervision&quot; ever again after this he should resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just read Peston&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>He isn&#8217;t getting any &#8220;stick&#8221;&#8230;?</p>
<p>He has a queue of people posting ,whose jaws dropped as low as his having heard Turner &amp; Sants today before the Treasury Select Committee.</p>
<p>Ye Gods.<br />
It is all truly astounding &amp; utterly outrageous. </p>
<p>If GB says &#8220;it started in America&#8221; and/or &#8220;we need Global supervision&#8221; ever again after this he should resign.</p>
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		<title>By: wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Peston&#039;s getting some terrible stick on his blog today. Another hatchet job on bankers which isn&#039;t going down well. People want to know who can sort out the future not more scapegoating.At the moment the LibDems and the BNP are IMHO delivering that.
I think most people agree there will be massive cuts to public services after the next election whoever wins. Whether Jacqui Smith or Caroline Spelman gets to stick her nose in the trough is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Peston&#8217;s getting some terrible stick on his blog today. Another hatchet job on bankers which isn&#8217;t going down well. People want to know who can sort out the future not more scapegoating.At the moment the LibDems and the BNP are IMHO delivering that.<br />
I think most people agree there will be massive cuts to public services after the next election whoever wins. Whether Jacqui Smith or Caroline Spelman gets to stick her nose in the trough is irrelevant.</p>
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