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		<title>By: Worth a look: six political articles we like – about Harriet Harman, schools, Starbucks, elections, charities, and the Tories &#171; Blogging about Politics</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1880/comment-page-1#comment-552000</link>
		<dc:creator>Worth a look: six political articles we like – about Harriet Harman, schools, Starbucks, elections, charities, and the Tories &#171; Blogging about Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UK Polling Report, Anthony Wells asks if local election results can be used to predict general election [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert C</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1880/comment-page-1#comment-551389</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just goes to show how totally artificial our system is for general elections and how far the results it produces differ from the reality of what people want. You can have 35-40% of the vote and win everything in a general election. Totally rubbish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just goes to show how totally artificial our system is for general elections and how far the results it produces differ from the reality of what people want. You can have 35-40% of the vote and win everything in a general election. Totally rubbish.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1880/comment-page-1#comment-551310</link>
		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolf - it&#039;s comments like that that caused the article in the first place which can, I think, be summarised in four words: &quot;Shut up, Mark Senior&quot;. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolf &#8211; it&#8217;s comments like that that caused the article in the first place which can, I think, be summarised in four words: &#8220;Shut up, Mark Senior&#8221;. <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe James B</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1880/comment-page-1#comment-551077</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe James B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they need to be taken with large pinches of salt.
They clearly deviate much more, even from local elections that are held at the normal time with the rest of the council.
Some council by-elections clearly operate on a kind of mid-term protest against the local authority.
The key is to aggregate enough results, and to use some non partisan judgement about the kind of places which are likely to vary more.
I&#039;d have thought those figures for early 1997 (30% LDs in council by-elections) should warn Lib Dems not to keep expecting to wipe the floor on the basis of a couple of council seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they need to be taken with large pinches of salt.<br />
They clearly deviate much more, even from local elections that are held at the normal time with the rest of the council.<br />
Some council by-elections clearly operate on a kind of mid-term protest against the local authority.<br />
The key is to aggregate enough results, and to use some non partisan judgement about the kind of places which are likely to vary more.<br />
I&#8217;d have thought those figures for early 1997 (30% LDs in council by-elections) should warn Lib Dems not to keep expecting to wipe the floor on the basis of a couple of council seats.</p>
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		<title>By: Frederic Stansfield</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1880/comment-page-1#comment-551019</link>
		<dc:creator>Frederic Stansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that on this site we tend to overlook two issues before trying to aggregate local by-election results to estimate the current state of the parties nationally.

1. Local by-elections take place for authorities with differing responsibilities. To state the obvious, people are more likely to change their votes e.g. because of the qualities of the candidates standing, in partish or town council by-elections than those for county councils or large unitary authorities. The more local the election, the less good it is likely to be as a guide to national party standings.
2. The salience of national issues as opposed to ideosyncratic local ones varies greatly from place to place. For instance, in general my experience is that the swing is more likely to depend on the individuals standing in more rural ares with a lower turnover of electors than in more amorphous cities. And to some extent things just depend upon local political culture. For instance the South Wales valleys, whilst until recently overwhelmingly Labour at General Elections, were always quite prepared to vote for independents. Plaid or even the Communists in local by-elections (admittedly, recently they seem to have adapted this philosophy to  some Regional and Westminster elections too). 

One of the most valuable aspects of this site is that contributors often report not only the results of by-elections within individual consitutencies, but also their causes and issues arising. These observations can be used to adjust, WITHIN INDIVIDUAL SEATS,  predictions made from national polling as to what the swing will be, and hence who will win the seat.

Interpretation of local by-election results by psephologists would be greatly facilitiated if the pollsters conducted, on the lines of the poll last Autumn, a large scale survey of Westminster voting intentions at the time of the ordinary council elections, using samples large enough to predict for individual seats (at any rate marginals).  More generally, given the number of polls recently that have produced similar results, this would fit a suspicion I have that we would get better value if the pollsters conducted fewer surveys but  with sample sizes enabling more detailed analysis.

P.S. Whilst I no longer belong to a party, I have sympathy from past experience with Anon Activist&#039;s observations about some councillors who do not slog around the streets, although this only applies in a minority of cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that on this site we tend to overlook two issues before trying to aggregate local by-election results to estimate the current state of the parties nationally.</p>
<p>1. Local by-elections take place for authorities with differing responsibilities. To state the obvious, people are more likely to change their votes e.g. because of the qualities of the candidates standing, in partish or town council by-elections than those for county councils or large unitary authorities. The more local the election, the less good it is likely to be as a guide to national party standings.<br />
2. The salience of national issues as opposed to ideosyncratic local ones varies greatly from place to place. For instance, in general my experience is that the swing is more likely to depend on the individuals standing in more rural ares with a lower turnover of electors than in more amorphous cities. And to some extent things just depend upon local political culture. For instance the South Wales valleys, whilst until recently overwhelmingly Labour at General Elections, were always quite prepared to vote for independents. Plaid or even the Communists in local by-elections (admittedly, recently they seem to have adapted this philosophy to  some Regional and Westminster elections too). </p>
<p>One of the most valuable aspects of this site is that contributors often report not only the results of by-elections within individual consitutencies, but also their causes and issues arising. These observations can be used to adjust, WITHIN INDIVIDUAL SEATS,  predictions made from national polling as to what the swing will be, and hence who will win the seat.</p>
<p>Interpretation of local by-election results by psephologists would be greatly facilitiated if the pollsters conducted, on the lines of the poll last Autumn, a large scale survey of Westminster voting intentions at the time of the ordinary council elections, using samples large enough to predict for individual seats (at any rate marginals).  More generally, given the number of polls recently that have produced similar results, this would fit a suspicion I have that we would get better value if the pollsters conducted fewer surveys but  with sample sizes enabling more detailed analysis.</p>
<p>P.S. Whilst I no longer belong to a party, I have sympathy from past experience with Anon Activist&#8217;s observations about some councillors who do not slog around the streets, although this only applies in a minority of cases.</p>
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		<title>By: wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Local by-elections indicate that at the moment they show the Tories don&#039;t seem to be doing as well as polls suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Local by-elections indicate that at the moment they show the Tories don&#8217;t seem to be doing as well as polls suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wilted Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wilted Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the key factors in lower Labour turnout at local elections as well as by-elections is demographics. There many some marginal (currently Tory-held) council seats across the urban West Midlands which vote 2:1 Labour in general elections. Local activists will tell you that, come the general election, it is the &#039;on benefits by choice&#039; residents who do not vote in local elections who turn out for Labour en masse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the key factors in lower Labour turnout at local elections as well as by-elections is demographics. There many some marginal (currently Tory-held) council seats across the urban West Midlands which vote 2:1 Labour in general elections. Local activists will tell you that, come the general election, it is the &#8216;on benefits by choice&#8217; residents who do not vote in local elections who turn out for Labour en masse.</p>
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		<title>By: GIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>GIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd that my friend Mark Sneior hasn&#039;t commented on this yet. 

Thanks for the research Anthony. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd that my friend Mark Sneior hasn&#8217;t commented on this yet. </p>
<p>Thanks for the research Anthony. <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Keir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John T T - Whatever do you mean :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John T T &#8211; Whatever do you mean <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James Ludlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Ludlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BNP polled 41%, way ahead of any other party, in Swanley Sevenoaks yesterday http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7901252.stm

so just as well local elections don&#039;t reflect general election results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BNP polled 41%, way ahead of any other party, in Swanley Sevenoaks yesterday <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7901252.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/7901252.stm</a></p>
<p>so just as well local elections don&#8217;t reflect general election results.</p>
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