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		<title>By: Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1865/comment-page-1#comment-548677</link>
		<dc:creator>Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,

What makes you think the working class are left wing, many of them often vote Tory.

The working class like every class vote with the party that they think best serves them and that will vary depending on which issue is of greatest concern.

For many right now the issues is jobs and with a lot of migrant labour in the UK that has become mixed up with immigration. That has made them more receptive to some of the policies of the BNP.

Where as some here have tried to view the BNP in principally a left /right context I don&#039;t see it as that , because that&#039;s not what drives the BNP. 

In the same way it is simplistic to see class in Britain as AB=Tory/Right CD=Labour/Left.

Be it people or parties, you can&#039;t just put people in to boxes like that and if you do you get GiGo.... Garbage in Garbage out.

Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,</p>
<p>What makes you think the working class are left wing, many of them often vote Tory.</p>
<p>The working class like every class vote with the party that they think best serves them and that will vary depending on which issue is of greatest concern.</p>
<p>For many right now the issues is jobs and with a lot of migrant labour in the UK that has become mixed up with immigration. That has made them more receptive to some of the policies of the BNP.</p>
<p>Where as some here have tried to view the BNP in principally a left /right context I don&#8217;t see it as that , because that&#8217;s not what drives the BNP. </p>
<p>In the same way it is simplistic to see class in Britain as AB=Tory/Right CD=Labour/Left.</p>
<p>Be it people or parties, you can&#8217;t just put people in to boxes like that and if you do you get GiGo&#8230;. Garbage in Garbage out.</p>
<p>Peter.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1865/comment-page-1#comment-548471</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, what is your fixation with insisting that no BNP supporter knows how to spell.  I&#039;m sorry; I have come to respect you as a good debater, but this simply makes you look like a deeply sad loser.

Rob Ford has a good point, BNP support is distinctly working-class and left wing.  Peter, just because you are a left winger yourself, doesn&#039;t mean you have to accept that you are like the BNP because they are left wing too.  I can accept that the SNP are very different from the BNP, although both parties are leftist, and although I am at variance with both.  If the BNP were right wing, I could accept that and still call myself a right winger without thinking of myself as being like the BNP.  Why do you have a hang-up about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, what is your fixation with insisting that no BNP supporter knows how to spell.  I&#8217;m sorry; I have come to respect you as a good debater, but this simply makes you look like a deeply sad loser.</p>
<p>Rob Ford has a good point, BNP support is distinctly working-class and left wing.  Peter, just because you are a left winger yourself, doesn&#8217;t mean you have to accept that you are like the BNP because they are left wing too.  I can accept that the SNP are very different from the BNP, although both parties are leftist, and although I am at variance with both.  If the BNP were right wing, I could accept that and still call myself a right winger without thinking of myself as being like the BNP.  Why do you have a hang-up about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1865/comment-page-1#comment-548351</link>
		<dc:creator>Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

&quot;Free marketeers they ain’t.&quot;

Little Englanders they are. 

In this respect I think that the core of there Ideology ( if they can even spell that let alone put a coherent one together) isn&#039;t left or right but rather everything view through the prism of defending those elements of British identity that they see as under threat, be it sovereignty, culture, heritage or indeed race.

As such it isn&#039;t really a set of beliefs that can be seen as principally economic, but rather economic policies are chosen on the basis of there ability to protect  those things they feel are threatened. 

Therefore their economic policies with regards to protectionism or nationalisation although largely associated with the left are adopted because they are deemed to protect Britain from perceived threats rather than as part of a right or left economic orthodoxy.

Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>&#8220;Free marketeers they ain’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Little Englanders they are. </p>
<p>In this respect I think that the core of there Ideology ( if they can even spell that let alone put a coherent one together) isn&#8217;t left or right but rather everything view through the prism of defending those elements of British identity that they see as under threat, be it sovereignty, culture, heritage or indeed race.</p>
<p>As such it isn&#8217;t really a set of beliefs that can be seen as principally economic, but rather economic policies are chosen on the basis of there ability to protect  those things they feel are threatened. </p>
<p>Therefore their economic policies with regards to protectionism or nationalisation although largely associated with the left are adopted because they are deemed to protect Britain from perceived threats rather than as part of a right or left economic orthodoxy.</p>
<p>Peter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Ford</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1865/comment-page-1#comment-547451</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many on this thread have expressed interest or opinions in the BNP&#039;s socio-demographic base, and whether this suggests they are right wing or left wing or neither.

I&#039;m undertaking some research on BNP support currently, using the largest dataset of declared BNP supporters ever compiled. The evidence from this is that the BNP&#039;s base is strongly working class, particularly older and less educated working class voters. They do better in the North, and particularly well in Labour dominated industrial areas. The evidence strongly suggests they are picking up disillusioned Labour voters in Labour strongholds.

The BNP thus look much more like left-authoritarian rather than a right-wing party, a hunch strongly confirmed by even a casual reading of the literature on their websites. Free marketeers they ain&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many on this thread have expressed interest or opinions in the BNP&#8217;s socio-demographic base, and whether this suggests they are right wing or left wing or neither.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m undertaking some research on BNP support currently, using the largest dataset of declared BNP supporters ever compiled. The evidence from this is that the BNP&#8217;s base is strongly working class, particularly older and less educated working class voters. They do better in the North, and particularly well in Labour dominated industrial areas. The evidence strongly suggests they are picking up disillusioned Labour voters in Labour strongholds.</p>
<p>The BNP thus look much more like left-authoritarian rather than a right-wing party, a hunch strongly confirmed by even a casual reading of the literature on their websites. Free marketeers they ain&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone on this site watch the Sky documentary called BNP Wives.( with an advert for the Daily Mail in the middle). . Usual cliches , there were protests about mosques and thieving Jamaicans and people don&#039;t like politicians.But they came across as reactionaries rather than revolutionaries. Of course Hitler was just another raver until German big business backed him up ( all that steel needed for tanks).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone on this site watch the Sky documentary called BNP Wives.( with an advert for the Daily Mail in the middle). . Usual cliches , there were protests about mosques and thieving Jamaicans and people don&#8217;t like politicians.But they came across as reactionaries rather than revolutionaries. Of course Hitler was just another raver until German big business backed him up ( all that steel needed for tanks).</p>
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		<title>By: Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,

I must have a stronger constitution than Anthony (years of pies and Irn Bru) because I decided to have a look at BNP Scotland. 

Cherry picking some of there xenophobic economic policies that are really about  their sad fixation with keeping Britain ethnically pure to claim that they are therefore not right wing as they aren&#039;t for laze faire economics stretches credibility.

Page after page, article after article, this is dreadful twisted stuff.

Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,</p>
<p>I must have a stronger constitution than Anthony (years of pies and Irn Bru) because I decided to have a look at BNP Scotland. </p>
<p>Cherry picking some of there xenophobic economic policies that are really about  their sad fixation with keeping Britain ethnically pure to claim that they are therefore not right wing as they aren&#8217;t for laze faire economics stretches credibility.</p>
<p>Page after page, article after article, this is dreadful twisted stuff.</p>
<p>Peter.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1865/comment-page-1#comment-545538</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am quite happy not to go there.  It was not me that started to go there, I was simply responding to the people who insisted on claiming that the BNP were right wing when they plainly are not.  It was them who &quot;went there&quot;, not me.

If you want a discussion on this topic, click on my name above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite happy not to go there.  It was not me that started to go there, I was simply responding to the people who insisted on claiming that the BNP were right wing when they plainly are not.  It was them who &#8220;went there&#8221;, not me.</p>
<p>If you want a discussion on this topic, click on my name above.</p>
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		<title>By: Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1865/comment-page-1#comment-545184</link>
		<dc:creator>Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Anthony, apart from anything else my party share two initials with them so we&#039;d be right in the firing line.

Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Anthony, apart from anything else my party share two initials with them so we&#8217;d be right in the firing line.</p>
<p>Peter.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Wells</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1865/comment-page-1#comment-545152</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil - I don&#039;t have a list of banned topics of conversation on here, but if I did, that would be on it. It always leads to a silly partisan slanging match of &quot;the BNP are more like you&quot;, &quot;No, the BNP are more like you&quot;. 

Don&#039;t go there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil &#8211; I don&#8217;t have a list of banned topics of conversation on here, but if I did, that would be on it. It always leads to a silly partisan slanging match of &#8220;the BNP are more like you&#8221;, &#8220;No, the BNP are more like you&#8221;. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t go there.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1865/comment-page-1#comment-545034</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We still have a fair number of people claiming that the BNP are a right wing party.  We even had somebody (I think it was Peter!) claiming that they would be most likely to take votes off the Conservatives or UKIP!  Can anyone provide anything to back up either of these absurd claims?  (Articles from the Guardian, or the Independent which say the BNP is right wing without any back up do not count)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We still have a fair number of people claiming that the BNP are a right wing party.  We even had somebody (I think it was Peter!) claiming that they would be most likely to take votes off the Conservatives or UKIP!  Can anyone provide anything to back up either of these absurd claims?  (Articles from the Guardian, or the Independent which say the BNP is right wing without any back up do not count)</p>
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