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		<title>By: Philip J W</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1240/comment-page-1#comment-437161</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip J W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin,

I do accept your point that the so-called fair fuel duty &quot;stabiliser&quot; will serve to provide greater economic stability. But I think the point would be lost on many people.
Indeed, by the time the Coservatives come into power the price of oil will probably have reached an unrealistic high and will be falling or if not already stable.
It offers not a crumb of comfort for those struggling to pay their bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin,</p>
<p>I do accept your point that the so-called fair fuel duty &#8220;stabiliser&#8221; will serve to provide greater economic stability. But I think the point would be lost on many people.<br />
Indeed, by the time the Coservatives come into power the price of oil will probably have reached an unrealistic high and will be falling or if not already stable.<br />
It offers not a crumb of comfort for those struggling to pay their bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1240/comment-page-1#comment-437062</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure there won’t be a little cheating at the margins?

a &quot;little&quot; cheating would be an improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure there won’t be a little cheating at the margins?</p>
<p>a &#8220;little&#8221; cheating would be an improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: john t t</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1240/comment-page-1#comment-437051</link>
		<dc:creator>john t t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for meandering off the point. 

Young people will always rebel and react against the Govt, if given really obvious reasons to do so. The 10p fiasco, the non-election, student fees are such reasons. 

Plus the fact that Brown doesn&#039;t look like he&#039;s ever smoked a joint, whereas Cameron needed a bit of luck to avoid being expelled for doing so. If I were a kid, I&#039;d be much more likely to be voting tory than I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for meandering off the point. </p>
<p>Young people will always rebel and react against the Govt, if given really obvious reasons to do so. The 10p fiasco, the non-election, student fees are such reasons. </p>
<p>Plus the fact that Brown doesn&#8217;t look like he&#8217;s ever smoked a joint, whereas Cameron needed a bit of luck to avoid being expelled for doing so. If I were a kid, I&#8217;d be much more likely to be voting tory than I am.</p>
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		<title>By: john t t</title>
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		<dc:creator>john t t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure there won&#039;t be a little cheating at the margins? If Labour proposed it it would be regarded as another cynical Treasury ploy to squeeze more tax from the system. 

It&#039;s certainly sound economicallyto smooth out tax-raising, but politically he might be making a rod for his own back.

Perhaps Osborne&#039;s hedge-fund friends have tipped him the wink that they can manipulate the price downwards once he gets in and thereby boost the tax revenues. (politically not great, but economically sound and he&#039;d be in by then anyway so who cares about the polls then?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure there won&#8217;t be a little cheating at the margins? If Labour proposed it it would be regarded as another cynical Treasury ploy to squeeze more tax from the system. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly sound economicallyto smooth out tax-raising, but politically he might be making a rod for his own back.</p>
<p>Perhaps Osborne&#8217;s hedge-fund friends have tipped him the wink that they can manipulate the price downwards once he gets in and thereby boost the tax revenues. (politically not great, but economically sound and he&#8217;d be in by then anyway so who cares about the polls then?)</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Wells</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1240/comment-page-1#comment-437026</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack - &quot;Forty-six per cent said in the poll, undertaken by Piczo, that they had absolutely no respect for politicians,&quot;

That may mean they have *more* respect for politicians than older people ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack &#8211; &#8220;Forty-six per cent said in the poll, undertaken by Piczo, that they had absolutely no respect for politicians,&#8221;</p>
<p>That may mean they have *more* respect for politicians than older people <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff-you make some interesting observations.

In a Poll commissioned by the BMA half of people expect to pay towards some of their NHS treatment in 10 years&#039; time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff-you make some interesting observations.</p>
<p>In a Poll commissioned by the BMA half of people expect to pay towards some of their NHS treatment in 10 years&#8217; time.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1240/comment-page-1#comment-437017</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip JW
I think you may have missed the point that the Fair Fuel Duty &quot;Stabiliser&quot; works on the base of the Treasury Forecast for it&#039;s annual  tax revenues. So it would be re-calibrated periodically.

The idea is that if Treasury forecasts for oil price ( &amp; related tax revenues) are exceeded in practice during the year, they don&#039;t keep the whole windfall.

Conversely if oil price falls below their forecast and tax revenues would undershoot, then the taxpayer gives up part of their windfall.

The objective is to give some stability to fuel prices throughout each tax year whilst attempting to share the &quot;Budget Variances&quot; between the taxpayer &amp; the Treasury-and stopping the arbitrary decision making on fuel duty which prevails currently. 

Nothing in the policy would stop the rise of the market price of oil over time-this is something we will have to learn to live with.

The AA has welcomed the proposals, saying that it had proposed a similar system in January. The AA&#039;s president, Edmund King, said: &quot;The Government needs to review fuel duty as the price of a barrel of oil has doubled in just 12 months.&quot;

Business advisers Grant Thornton said: &quot;The basic concept of an FFS is sound in economics terms. There is a strong argument to the effect that it would help smooth out fluctuations [to the price of road fuel, to inflation, and to the public fin-ances] arising from the fact the UK is simultaneously a measurable oil producer, and an oil consumer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip JW<br />
I think you may have missed the point that the Fair Fuel Duty &#8220;Stabiliser&#8221; works on the base of the Treasury Forecast for it&#8217;s annual  tax revenues. So it would be re-calibrated periodically.</p>
<p>The idea is that if Treasury forecasts for oil price ( &amp; related tax revenues) are exceeded in practice during the year, they don&#8217;t keep the whole windfall.</p>
<p>Conversely if oil price falls below their forecast and tax revenues would undershoot, then the taxpayer gives up part of their windfall.</p>
<p>The objective is to give some stability to fuel prices throughout each tax year whilst attempting to share the &#8220;Budget Variances&#8221; between the taxpayer &amp; the Treasury-and stopping the arbitrary decision making on fuel duty which prevails currently. </p>
<p>Nothing in the policy would stop the rise of the market price of oil over time-this is something we will have to learn to live with.</p>
<p>The AA has welcomed the proposals, saying that it had proposed a similar system in January. The AA&#8217;s president, Edmund King, said: &#8220;The Government needs to review fuel duty as the price of a barrel of oil has doubled in just 12 months.&#8221;</p>
<p>Business advisers Grant Thornton said: &#8220;The basic concept of an FFS is sound in economics terms. There is a strong argument to the effect that it would help smooth out fluctuations [to the price of road fuel, to inflation, and to the public fin-ances] arising from the fact the UK is simultaneously a measurable oil producer, and an oil consumer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1240/comment-page-1#comment-437007</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of the problem is due to the general population being up to their necks in debt and now realising that the government is in the same position or worse. People might ignore their responsibilites for this when the bad times arrive but they sure as hell won&#039;t forgive the governments. 

The welfare state will need dismantling in the medium to long term. There is no way we can afford it as it is forever taking a larger slice of GDP and coupled with massive increases in the cost of energy, which will never return to the $20 a barrel level, you have a recipe for a seismic shift in the political consciousness.

At the moment I think it is just the swing of the pendulum (aided and abbeted by some laughable ministerial incompetence by nulab) but the future will likely see the return of a more Victorian economic realism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the problem is due to the general population being up to their necks in debt and now realising that the government is in the same position or worse. People might ignore their responsibilites for this when the bad times arrive but they sure as hell won&#8217;t forgive the governments. </p>
<p>The welfare state will need dismantling in the medium to long term. There is no way we can afford it as it is forever taking a larger slice of GDP and coupled with massive increases in the cost of energy, which will never return to the $20 a barrel level, you have a recipe for a seismic shift in the political consciousness.</p>
<p>At the moment I think it is just the swing of the pendulum (aided and abbeted by some laughable ministerial incompetence by nulab) but the future will likely see the return of a more Victorian economic realism.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1240/comment-page-1#comment-436728</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There really is no point talking about tax policies right now unless there&#039;s a surprise election in the offing. And that would be a surprise if Gordon Brown went for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There really is no point talking about tax policies right now unless there&#8217;s a surprise election in the offing. And that would be a surprise if Gordon Brown went for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip J W</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1240/comment-page-1#comment-436711</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip J W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, for going off subject but I think the Tories may have commited a blunder by promising to link the level of tax with the level of oil prices. The Tories are suggesting that since the last budget this would have meant a reduction of 5p in fuel duty.
Most of the comments I have been reading in response to this are rather negative and cynical.

Indeed, I think it is ill-thought through and short-sighted.For what will they do if finally the price of oil does fall leading up to the next election. For example, the price of petrol fell from £1.50 a litre to £1.45 a litre. Then Labour could point to how under Tory tax plan fuel duty would have INCREASED by 5p.

Ultimately, it will lead to people seeing the Conservatives to be as bad as Labour. Indeed, it does seem to me that the Conservatives are doing no more than promising that we will permanently be paying a very high price for petrol no matter what happens with price of oil.

Personally, I had been hoping for better. And I think this could damage the Conservative as a party seen to be capable of offering something better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, for going off subject but I think the Tories may have commited a blunder by promising to link the level of tax with the level of oil prices. The Tories are suggesting that since the last budget this would have meant a reduction of 5p in fuel duty.<br />
Most of the comments I have been reading in response to this are rather negative and cynical.</p>
<p>Indeed, I think it is ill-thought through and short-sighted.For what will they do if finally the price of oil does fall leading up to the next election. For example, the price of petrol fell from £1.50 a litre to £1.45 a litre. Then Labour could point to how under Tory tax plan fuel duty would have INCREASED by 5p.</p>
<p>Ultimately, it will lead to people seeing the Conservatives to be as bad as Labour. Indeed, it does seem to me that the Conservatives are doing no more than promising that we will permanently be paying a very high price for petrol no matter what happens with price of oil.</p>
<p>Personally, I had been hoping for better. And I think this could damage the Conservative as a party seen to be capable of offering something better.</p>
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