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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1223/comment-page-2#comment-426554</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is sufficient evidence to lock someone up for 42 days then there must be something there that they can be charged with, if this is not the case then it is in breach of our hard won freedom and an insult to the thousands of soldiers who have died to uphold this freedom. But if there is evidence of a crime ( and maybe new laws are needed) then they could be charged on that and given whatever sentence is relevant, although the law lords would probably oppose anything to safeguard the public, IE not allowing people to remain anonymous to give evidence, who in there right mind is now going to come forward to testify if they are in fear of there life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is sufficient evidence to lock someone up for 42 days then there must be something there that they can be charged with, if this is not the case then it is in breach of our hard won freedom and an insult to the thousands of soldiers who have died to uphold this freedom. But if there is evidence of a crime ( and maybe new laws are needed) then they could be charged on that and given whatever sentence is relevant, although the law lords would probably oppose anything to safeguard the public, IE not allowing people to remain anonymous to give evidence, who in there right mind is now going to come forward to testify if they are in fear of there life?</p>
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		<title>By: FluffyThoughts (E.D.P.)</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1223/comment-page-2#comment-419219</link>
		<dc:creator>FluffyThoughts (E.D.P.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John tt,

How do I add you to my Christmas card list...? ;)

Cheers bud!</description>
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<p>How do I add you to my Christmas card list&#8230;? <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers bud!</p>
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		<title>By: john tt</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1223/comment-page-2#comment-419009</link>
		<dc:creator>john tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin - I reckon people think he&#039;s aff his trolley, and like him all the more for it. 

He&#039;s got spirit. Like Thatcher. (And Fluffy)

Not that I agree with any of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin &#8211; I reckon people think he&#8217;s aff his trolley, and like him all the more for it. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s got spirit. Like Thatcher. (And Fluffy)</p>
<p>Not that I agree with any of them.</p>
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		<title>By: john tt</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1223/comment-page-2#comment-419008</link>
		<dc:creator>john tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the &quot;dithering&quot; epithet has tended toi stick to Brown, I&#039;m dis-appointed he seems to be waiting to test the wind before deciding whether to contest or not.

I&#039;d have thought any chance to debate in public would be seized on by Labour at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the &#8220;dithering&#8221; epithet has tended toi stick to Brown, I&#8217;m dis-appointed he seems to be waiting to test the wind before deciding whether to contest or not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have thought any chance to debate in public would be seized on by Labour at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1223/comment-page-2#comment-418991</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>john-yes he said that this morning on Marr&#039;s programme.

My seperation of Magna Carta &amp; Habeas Corpus was a bit flimsy anyway!

I agree with your other comments.

DD was fascinating on TV this morning-he sounded utterly convincing-until you contemplate what he has thrown away personaly.

He is either:-
*The only truly principled MP at Westminster.
*Covering up an deep disagreement/hurt with DC
*Off his trolley.

But he seems to be lining up lots of interesting people for his big debate-can&#039;t see any opposition yet though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>john-yes he said that this morning on Marr&#8217;s programme.</p>
<p>My seperation of Magna Carta &amp; Habeas Corpus was a bit flimsy anyway!</p>
<p>I agree with your other comments.</p>
<p>DD was fascinating on TV this morning-he sounded utterly convincing-until you contemplate what he has thrown away personaly.</p>
<p>He is either:-<br />
*The only truly principled MP at Westminster.<br />
*Covering up an deep disagreement/hurt with DC<br />
*Off his trolley.</p>
<p>But he seems to be lining up lots of interesting people for his big debate-can&#8217;t see any opposition yet though.</p>
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		<title>By: john tt</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1223/comment-page-2#comment-418953</link>
		<dc:creator>john tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin - David Davies did mention that this week is the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta.

I think its importance is unfairly dismissed. When looking back at historic events it&#039;s important to see what went before those events. 

Was Magna Carta something of progress?

If we simply look backwards, we end up looking down our noses at the past.

Having said that, I think it&#039;s time for a modern bill of rights that takes account of to-day&#039;s conditions.

I hope the Labour Party puts some-one up and stands on a ticket for a Bill of Rights, rather than simply the 42-days issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin &#8211; David Davies did mention that this week is the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta.</p>
<p>I think its importance is unfairly dismissed. When looking back at historic events it&#8217;s important to see what went before those events. </p>
<p>Was Magna Carta something of progress?</p>
<p>If we simply look backwards, we end up looking down our noses at the past.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think it&#8217;s time for a modern bill of rights that takes account of to-day&#8217;s conditions.</p>
<p>I hope the Labour Party puts some-one up and stands on a ticket for a Bill of Rights, rather than simply the 42-days issue.</p>
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		<title>By: FluffyThoughts (E.D.P.)</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1223/comment-page-2#comment-418899</link>
		<dc:creator>FluffyThoughts (E.D.P.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

As the purpose of this blog is focused upon polls and the underlying reasons upon them, I intend to &lt;i&gt;try&lt;/i&gt; to keep my slightly irreverent responses within the guidelines as defined by Anthony. [When I stray, I stop commenting. See above.] Your partisanship is hardly any better then my lunacy.

Sir, you have from the very first attacked me and not my comments, yet have not tried to understand who, what or why I am. Instead you have name-called and preached to my peasant views. I can only put this down to the relaxed way Anthony manages this blog - very well in my view - as opposed to the other blogs I visit; Guido&#039;s, PB.com, Iain Dale, and Boulton&#039;s. 

I understand it is difficult for someone of your views to be treated with anything but derision on the internet, which is why I have read your views but have only replied to your abuse. [Your comments are self replying.] Please use your obvious intellect to make similar judgments before posting.

Finally, how is your search for a new supreme leader going...? Does the short-list include Peter Robinson M.P.?

Peter,

No, this is nothing to do with Magna Carta per se. :P It&#039;s about limiting the scope of the state. As a Millsian [sp?] liberal the actions of this government turn my stomach. 

What you may see as show-boating by David Davies is seen by many, including Labour&#039;s Tony Robinson and Tony Benn, as a noble fight against a foreign threat to English liberty. I have also seen GIN trying to get someone to confirm whether or not 42-days applies to Scotland.

One plausible reply to this question has been that the senior law-officer has said that the law exists in Scotland, but will not be implemented. Is this correct and, if so, is it not strange that Scottish and Irish MPs have been &lt;b&gt;bought&lt;/b&gt; in order to subject the English people to such a hideous law?

As for David Davies failed leadership being a boon for the Tories I disagree with your analysis, but the overall conclusion may be correct. That defeat made me become an English Democrat! :)

John C,

£100,000 to hold a bye-election? The figures I have seen suggest it will cost £75,000. But then what is £25,000 to an MP? [Answer: Little more then there second-home allowance.]

Taking your figure, £100,000 equates to 33-1/3 days illegal detention under the 42-day law. That itself equates to just over two innocent people being illegally detained without charge for 42-days. In my book that is a bigger affront to the English tax-payer citizen-subject then any &lt;i&gt;stunt&lt;/i&gt; by the Honourable rebel MP.

Simon Cooke,

Cheers mate. However I don&#039;t do conspiracy theories, at least not conscientiously...! ;) I do tend to approach topics from an informed, if left-field [?!] manner.

-----....

Geesh, that must be the longest post I have ever submitted on here. Unfortunately their are a lot of questions I like to ask on this site, not least because there are a number of good posters here whose views I respect. However that is not the type of debate Anthony encourages, so I have to watch my P&#039;s &amp; Q&#039;s.

Those of you who have no interest in my views, please skip my comments. However admit to your egos that not everyone sees the world through you immensely perceptive minds.

Peter, do you have your own website where I can discuss our two nations futures with you? As a proper politico you seem to have your head pretty well screwed on. Well, apart from Europe that is...! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>As the purpose of this blog is focused upon polls and the underlying reasons upon them, I intend to <i>try</i> to keep my slightly irreverent responses within the guidelines as defined by Anthony. [When I stray, I stop commenting. See above.] Your partisanship is hardly any better then my lunacy.</p>
<p>Sir, you have from the very first attacked me and not my comments, yet have not tried to understand who, what or why I am. Instead you have name-called and preached to my peasant views. I can only put this down to the relaxed way Anthony manages this blog &#8211; very well in my view &#8211; as opposed to the other blogs I visit; Guido&#8217;s, PB.com, Iain Dale, and Boulton&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I understand it is difficult for someone of your views to be treated with anything but derision on the internet, which is why I have read your views but have only replied to your abuse. [Your comments are self replying.] Please use your obvious intellect to make similar judgments before posting.</p>
<p>Finally, how is your search for a new supreme leader going&#8230;? Does the short-list include Peter Robinson M.P.?</p>
<p>Peter,</p>
<p>No, this is nothing to do with Magna Carta per se. <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s about limiting the scope of the state. As a Millsian [sp?] liberal the actions of this government turn my stomach. </p>
<p>What you may see as show-boating by David Davies is seen by many, including Labour&#8217;s Tony Robinson and Tony Benn, as a noble fight against a foreign threat to English liberty. I have also seen GIN trying to get someone to confirm whether or not 42-days applies to Scotland.</p>
<p>One plausible reply to this question has been that the senior law-officer has said that the law exists in Scotland, but will not be implemented. Is this correct and, if so, is it not strange that Scottish and Irish MPs have been <b>bought</b> in order to subject the English people to such a hideous law?</p>
<p>As for David Davies failed leadership being a boon for the Tories I disagree with your analysis, but the overall conclusion may be correct. That defeat made me become an English Democrat! <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>John C,</p>
<p>£100,000 to hold a bye-election? The figures I have seen suggest it will cost £75,000. But then what is £25,000 to an MP? [Answer: Little more then there second-home allowance.]</p>
<p>Taking your figure, £100,000 equates to 33-1/3 days illegal detention under the 42-day law. That itself equates to just over two innocent people being illegally detained without charge for 42-days. In my book that is a bigger affront to the English tax-payer citizen-subject then any <i>stunt</i> by the Honourable rebel MP.</p>
<p>Simon Cooke,</p>
<p>Cheers mate. However I don&#8217;t do conspiracy theories, at least not conscientiously&#8230;! <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I do tend to approach topics from an informed, if left-field [?!] manner.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Geesh, that must be the longest post I have ever submitted on here. Unfortunately their are a lot of questions I like to ask on this site, not least because there are a number of good posters here whose views I respect. However that is not the type of debate Anthony encourages, so I have to watch my P&#8217;s &amp; Q&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Those of you who have no interest in my views, please skip my comments. However admit to your egos that not everyone sees the world through you immensely perceptive minds.</p>
<p>Peter, do you have your own website where I can discuss our two nations futures with you? As a proper politico you seem to have your head pretty well screwed on. Well, apart from Europe that is&#8230;! <img src='http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commentary on reasons for the Irish &quot;No&quot; vote highlights fear of loss of influence for small countries as a result of the change from a revolving to a permanent Presidency.

This view is shared by the Czech President.It will be interesting to see what the Czech Republic, and other countries yet to ratify, now do.

Vaclav Klaus said:-

  &quot;The result is hopefully a clear message to everybody. It is a victory of freedom and reason over artificial elitist projects and European bureaucracy.&quot;

No doubt the bureaucrats have already stamped &quot;Paranoid&quot; across his file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commentary on reasons for the Irish &#8220;No&#8221; vote highlights fear of loss of influence for small countries as a result of the change from a revolving to a permanent Presidency.</p>
<p>This view is shared by the Czech President.It will be interesting to see what the Czech Republic, and other countries yet to ratify, now do.</p>
<p>Vaclav Klaus said:-</p>
<p>  &#8220;The result is hopefully a clear message to everybody. It is a victory of freedom and reason over artificial elitist projects and European bureaucracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>No doubt the bureaucrats have already stamped &#8220;Paranoid&#8221; across his file.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t se it as a loss of sovereignty and to be honest think that those that do are close to paranoid.&quot;

Noted.

The Brussels elite will no doubt attempt to ensure that the paranoid electorate of Europe have as little say as possible in it&#039;s governance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t se it as a loss of sovereignty and to be honest think that those that do are close to paranoid.&#8221;</p>
<p>Noted.</p>
<p>The Brussels elite will no doubt attempt to ensure that the paranoid electorate of Europe have as little say as possible in it&#8217;s governance.</p>
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		<title>By: Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cllr Peter Cairns (SNP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin,

Portraying the current EU treaty as &quot;More power to Brussels&quot; is exactly how the right  see it, and it&#039;s not about that at all. the vast majority of the treaty is an exercise in streamlining a n administration that can only move at the speed of the slowest.

For those of us who are pro European this is about effective government. It is only people on the right who do the &quot;wake up Britain&quot; bit and claim that this is a threat.

I remember about six or more years ago speaking in a Euro debate at the SNP conference where I advocated That Scotland no have it&#039;s own EU commissioner because what we didn&#039;t want was a commission with limo for every nation as the EU expanded but rather as few Limos as possible or only as many as was needed. 

I lost ( and badly) because the argument that one was &quot; if they have a commissioner we should have one too&quot; and &quot; Our commissioner will do deal s to get us what we want&quot;. 

I remember in my summing up ( which I lost) saying that that was an argument for good governance but one for institutionalised corruption.

I am strongly pro Europe and want this treaty but because it streamlines what we need to do and are already doing, I don&#039;t  se it as a loss of sovereignty and to be honest think that those that do are close to paranoid.

Like 42 days detention it says more about the lack of confidence and fear of the unknown that seems to grip us than anything else.

Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin,</p>
<p>Portraying the current EU treaty as &#8220;More power to Brussels&#8221; is exactly how the right  see it, and it&#8217;s not about that at all. the vast majority of the treaty is an exercise in streamlining a n administration that can only move at the speed of the slowest.</p>
<p>For those of us who are pro European this is about effective government. It is only people on the right who do the &#8220;wake up Britain&#8221; bit and claim that this is a threat.</p>
<p>I remember about six or more years ago speaking in a Euro debate at the SNP conference where I advocated That Scotland no have it&#8217;s own EU commissioner because what we didn&#8217;t want was a commission with limo for every nation as the EU expanded but rather as few Limos as possible or only as many as was needed. </p>
<p>I lost ( and badly) because the argument that one was &#8221; if they have a commissioner we should have one too&#8221; and &#8221; Our commissioner will do deal s to get us what we want&#8221;. </p>
<p>I remember in my summing up ( which I lost) saying that that was an argument for good governance but one for institutionalised corruption.</p>
<p>I am strongly pro Europe and want this treaty but because it streamlines what we need to do and are already doing, I don&#8217;t  se it as a loss of sovereignty and to be honest think that those that do are close to paranoid.</p>
<p>Like 42 days detention it says more about the lack of confidence and fear of the unknown that seems to grip us than anything else.</p>
<p>Peter.</p>
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