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	<title>Comments on: ComRes show 14 point Tory lead</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Keene</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-413202</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Keene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever heard of stealth taxes Steve? Gordon Brown spent a decade raising taxes by the back door and avoiding the headline grabbers.There is no room left for manoeuvre and next year his luckless successor may either have to raise frontline taxes or cut public expenditure or both.Unless of course you actually believe the Treasury forecasts of growth in which case two men in white coats may shortly appear at you front door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever heard of stealth taxes Steve? Gordon Brown spent a decade raising taxes by the back door and avoiding the headline grabbers.There is no room left for manoeuvre and next year his luckless successor may either have to raise frontline taxes or cut public expenditure or both.Unless of course you actually believe the Treasury forecasts of growth in which case two men in white coats may shortly appear at you front door.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-413113</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One interesting observation from Phillip is that taxes are up by a record amount. But taxes are in fact a lower share of GDP than under John Major. Income tax basic rate is now 20 p, not 23p. VAT on gas/electric is only 5%- down from 8%. Corporation tax is lower, Capital Gains Tax is lower. Fuel duty is a lower % of the price of petrol now than a few years back. The national debt is lower than in the 1990&#039;s.

It&#039;s clear that everyone feels like they are paying more tax, maybe because of council tax. If they are, it must be because their wages are up, or they smoke a lot.
Maybe folk are confusing huge payments to banks for the mortgage with paying tax to the government. If they borrowed from Northern Rock, they&#039;re about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting observation from Phillip is that taxes are up by a record amount. But taxes are in fact a lower share of GDP than under John Major. Income tax basic rate is now 20 p, not 23p. VAT on gas/electric is only 5%- down from 8%. Corporation tax is lower, Capital Gains Tax is lower. Fuel duty is a lower % of the price of petrol now than a few years back. The national debt is lower than in the 1990&#8217;s.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear that everyone feels like they are paying more tax, maybe because of council tax. If they are, it must be because their wages are up, or they smoke a lot.<br />
Maybe folk are confusing huge payments to banks for the mortgage with paying tax to the government. If they borrowed from Northern Rock, they&#8217;re about right.</p>
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		<title>By: By a Hair&#8217;s Breadth: Westminster Watch: w/b 2nd June 2008 &#124; The Wardman Wire</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-413101</link>
		<dc:creator>By a Hair&#8217;s Breadth: Westminster Watch: w/b 2nd June 2008 &#124; The Wardman Wire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ComRes poll showed a 14 point Tory lead (although this was taken before the airing of Dave&#8217;s hair-don&#8217;t), the Government had [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ComRes poll showed a 14 point Tory lead (although this was taken before the airing of Dave&#8217;s hair-don&#8217;t), the Government had [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PC</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-413053</link>
		<dc:creator>PC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have previously tried posting here but without success.  Let&#039;s try once more.

I am genuinely interested to know what people here think of the explanation given at the link below regarding why the opinion polls are so far out when it comes to the support received by the minor parties:

http://sirjohnbull.blogspot.com/2008/05/you-having-giraffe-gov.html

This blogger is primarily interested in the BNP, but exactly the same arguments must apply to all the other small parties.  Also, although he concentrates on YouGov, I note that the Populus poll published on 6/5 was equally off the mark when it came to the &#039;others&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have previously tried posting here but without success.  Let&#8217;s try once more.</p>
<p>I am genuinely interested to know what people here think of the explanation given at the link below regarding why the opinion polls are so far out when it comes to the support received by the minor parties:</p>
<p><a href="http://sirjohnbull.blogspot.com/2008/05/you-having-giraffe-gov.html" rel="nofollow">http://sirjohnbull.blogspot.com/2008/05/you-having-giraffe-gov.html</a></p>
<p>This blogger is primarily interested in the BNP, but exactly the same arguments must apply to all the other small parties.  Also, although he concentrates on YouGov, I note that the Populus poll published on 6/5 was equally off the mark when it came to the &#8216;others&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Keene</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-412996</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Keene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem with determining the vote for &#039;others&#039; is perhaps that many of those who say they might vote for the Greens or the BNP ( or UKIP Wolf?) will not in fact have candidates for those parties standing in their constituency. Does this mean they won&#039;t vote at all if their party is not putting up a candidate or as I suspect will they vote for their second choice? In a tightly fought contest that could be vital. It would be interesting if a pollster were to ask supporters of the minor parties-and here I exclude Plaid Cymru and the SNP- who they would vote for as a second choice. 

Peter Cairns is probably right when he says the SNP make up 3% of the 10/11% who say they will vote for &#039;others&#039; and I guess that Plaid Cymru make up another 1% but that still leaves 6/7% floating around somewhere half of whom may not have a home to go to on the day but who will still be inclined to do their civic duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem with determining the vote for &#8216;others&#8217; is perhaps that many of those who say they might vote for the Greens or the BNP ( or UKIP Wolf?) will not in fact have candidates for those parties standing in their constituency. Does this mean they won&#8217;t vote at all if their party is not putting up a candidate or as I suspect will they vote for their second choice? In a tightly fought contest that could be vital. It would be interesting if a pollster were to ask supporters of the minor parties-and here I exclude Plaid Cymru and the SNP- who they would vote for as a second choice. </p>
<p>Peter Cairns is probably right when he says the SNP make up 3% of the 10/11% who say they will vote for &#8216;others&#8217; and I guess that Plaid Cymru make up another 1% but that still leaves 6/7% floating around somewhere half of whom may not have a home to go to on the day but who will still be inclined to do their civic duty.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven F</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-412946</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Richardson&#039;s view on Scotland has been expertly dismissed by ZX. Still, I can&#039;t help pointing out that even if Mike&#039;s vision of the future comes to pass, a Scotland where the SNP and the Tories were the two dominant parties would still inevitably be different, sorry I mean DIFFERENT, to the situation in England or Wales. Even while denying that Scotland is unique, Mike confirms that, deep down, he knows it is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Richardson&#8217;s view on Scotland has been expertly dismissed by ZX. Still, I can&#8217;t help pointing out that even if Mike&#8217;s vision of the future comes to pass, a Scotland where the SNP and the Tories were the two dominant parties would still inevitably be different, sorry I mean DIFFERENT, to the situation in England or Wales. Even while denying that Scotland is unique, Mike confirms that, deep down, he knows it is!</p>
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		<title>By: ZX</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-412692</link>
		<dc:creator>ZX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Mike&#039;s analysis is that he assumes that the Tories are the rightful government, and always will be.  When the electorate vote for another party, it&#039;s not because the other party&#039;s policies are more appealing, but because they&#039;ve made a mistake.  The Conservatives don&#039;t have a divine mandate; they are not the default ruling party.

Scotland is unique in British politics.  Why?  Because there is a stable four party system in Scotland.  Why is there a stable four party system?  Because unlike England, Scotland has an extra political axis.  You see, England operates on a left-right axis.  Theoretically, the Labour party is on the left, the Tories are on the right, and the Liberals are somewhere in the middle.  Scotland, however, has the traditional left-right axis *and* a constitutional axis.  This extra axis makes room for more parties, and creates a political situation different to that in England.

We see a similar situation in Canada, with three parties on the left-right axis, and Bloc Quebecois filling room on the constitutional axis.

Even if you ignore the constitutional axis, your claims that Scotland isn&#039;t unique in British politics doesn&#039;t square with your assertion that the SNP is replacing Labour in Scotland as the party of the left.  If this is the case, then surely that is unique.  After all, there is no place in England where the SNP is the party of anything, not even the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Mike&#8217;s analysis is that he assumes that the Tories are the rightful government, and always will be.  When the electorate vote for another party, it&#8217;s not because the other party&#8217;s policies are more appealing, but because they&#8217;ve made a mistake.  The Conservatives don&#8217;t have a divine mandate; they are not the default ruling party.</p>
<p>Scotland is unique in British politics.  Why?  Because there is a stable four party system in Scotland.  Why is there a stable four party system?  Because unlike England, Scotland has an extra political axis.  You see, England operates on a left-right axis.  Theoretically, the Labour party is on the left, the Tories are on the right, and the Liberals are somewhere in the middle.  Scotland, however, has the traditional left-right axis *and* a constitutional axis.  This extra axis makes room for more parties, and creates a political situation different to that in England.</p>
<p>We see a similar situation in Canada, with three parties on the left-right axis, and Bloc Quebecois filling room on the constitutional axis.</p>
<p>Even if you ignore the constitutional axis, your claims that Scotland isn&#8217;t unique in British politics doesn&#8217;t square with your assertion that the SNP is replacing Labour in Scotland as the party of the left.  If this is the case, then surely that is unique.  After all, there is no place in England where the SNP is the party of anything, not even the left.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Senior</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-412605</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Senior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike the false oracle , the Conservatives have no seats in Durham managed to get around 10% of the vote in the recent Durham Unitary elections and at the end of 2007 had the princely total of 47 members in the combined Durham/Easington Constituency Association .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike the false oracle , the Conservatives have no seats in Durham managed to get around 10% of the vote in the recent Durham Unitary elections and at the end of 2007 had the princely total of 47 members in the combined Durham/Easington Constituency Association .</p>
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		<title>By: Mike "the oracle" Richardson</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-412539</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike "the oracle" Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same comment as above applies to Scotland - too many people keep talking about Scotland likes it&#039;s something totally unique in British politics - NO it is&#039;nt , only Northern Ireland fits into that bracket.

The SNP unfortunately will become the dominant left leaning party in Scotland at the expense of Labour - the Tories will become the 2nd party in Scotland at the expense of the Liberals and anti independence voters.

Tories in Scotland never went anywhere - they were just a sleeping giant waiting to wake up . The same applies to England and Wales at the moment , the giant has woken. They are the oldest political party in the world - too many people wrote them off in the last 11 years - it&#039;s coming back to haunt them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same comment as above applies to Scotland &#8211; too many people keep talking about Scotland likes it&#8217;s something totally unique in British politics &#8211; NO it is&#8217;nt , only Northern Ireland fits into that bracket.</p>
<p>The SNP unfortunately will become the dominant left leaning party in Scotland at the expense of Labour &#8211; the Tories will become the 2nd party in Scotland at the expense of the Liberals and anti independence voters.</p>
<p>Tories in Scotland never went anywhere &#8211; they were just a sleeping giant waiting to wake up . The same applies to England and Wales at the moment , the giant has woken. They are the oldest political party in the world &#8211; too many people wrote them off in the last 11 years &#8211; it&#8217;s coming back to haunt them now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike "the oracle" Richardson</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1218/comment-page-1#comment-412534</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike "the oracle" Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STEPHEN said :- &quot;As for the north-east polls I think it varies a lot. Certainly in inner city Newcastle the Tories are a species that is close to extinction.&quot;

Newcastle city centre is now dominated by Liberals - not that the Tories are extinct at all / the city centre should be Labour , but it is&#039;nt ! The Tories are fully aware that they need to get deep into old Labour heartland as Labour did in the old Tory heartland in 1997 - they are making massive inroads , council seats in areas of the North East were falling like 9 pins to the Tories recently / areas like Washington , Chester-le-Street , Hartlepool , North Tyneside , Sunderland , Bishop Auckland , York , Durham - the Tories are seen in the North East as no longer the rich mans party , but the only escape from Labour beaurocracy and mismanagement in local and national government - that&#039;s why my predictions have been so accurate , i have been listening to what&#039;s been happening in my own area which was previously regarded as safe Labour territory.

The Tories held their last conference in Gateshead - they know what they are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STEPHEN said :- &#8220;As for the north-east polls I think it varies a lot. Certainly in inner city Newcastle the Tories are a species that is close to extinction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Newcastle city centre is now dominated by Liberals &#8211; not that the Tories are extinct at all / the city centre should be Labour , but it is&#8217;nt ! The Tories are fully aware that they need to get deep into old Labour heartland as Labour did in the old Tory heartland in 1997 &#8211; they are making massive inroads , council seats in areas of the North East were falling like 9 pins to the Tories recently / areas like Washington , Chester-le-Street , Hartlepool , North Tyneside , Sunderland , Bishop Auckland , York , Durham &#8211; the Tories are seen in the North East as no longer the rich mans party , but the only escape from Labour beaurocracy and mismanagement in local and national government &#8211; that&#8217;s why my predictions have been so accurate , i have been listening to what&#8217;s been happening in my own area which was previously regarded as safe Labour territory.</p>
<p>The Tories held their last conference in Gateshead &#8211; they know what they are doing.</p>
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