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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386968</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As well as the YouGov poll was saying the Tories were doing in Scotland I highly doubt they&#039;ll get 12 seats in Scotland.

These must be the likliest Tory seats in Scotland in my view:

Dumfries and Galloway (rising SNP vote plus decent increase in Tory vote must make this very likely for Peter Duncan to snatch from Russell Brown)

Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (good result in 2005 followed by gain at Holyrood in 2007 - while the Tories may not be overwhelming favourites they will be looking to take it)

After that it gets more tricky. The Perthshire and Angus seats look vulnerable on the basis of being marginal but with a very good SNP showing this may take them out of realistic range for the moment, though Perthshire at least should remain marginal.

East Renfrewshire and Edinburgh South West could be realistic propositions, the latter due to Darling + Pentlands being Tory, the former as a middle class seat, plus recording a good Tory performance in May 2007, should be more vulnerable than most to the Conservatives. Stirling may be another but the Conservatives fell back there in May.

My judgement is that the Conservatives should hope to get three, be pleased with five and delighted with anything over that. It also depends upon whether the YouGov showing of 22% is accurate or, being a subsample, worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As well as the YouGov poll was saying the Tories were doing in Scotland I highly doubt they&#8217;ll get 12 seats in Scotland.</p>
<p>These must be the likliest Tory seats in Scotland in my view:</p>
<p>Dumfries and Galloway (rising SNP vote plus decent increase in Tory vote must make this very likely for Peter Duncan to snatch from Russell Brown)</p>
<p>Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (good result in 2005 followed by gain at Holyrood in 2007 &#8211; while the Tories may not be overwhelming favourites they will be looking to take it)</p>
<p>After that it gets more tricky. The Perthshire and Angus seats look vulnerable on the basis of being marginal but with a very good SNP showing this may take them out of realistic range for the moment, though Perthshire at least should remain marginal.</p>
<p>East Renfrewshire and Edinburgh South West could be realistic propositions, the latter due to Darling + Pentlands being Tory, the former as a middle class seat, plus recording a good Tory performance in May 2007, should be more vulnerable than most to the Conservatives. Stirling may be another but the Conservatives fell back there in May.</p>
<p>My judgement is that the Conservatives should hope to get three, be pleased with five and delighted with anything over that. It also depends upon whether the YouGov showing of 22% is accurate or, being a subsample, worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Wells</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386945</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip - yes. If the Conservatives do better in marginal seats than elsewhere it will make the distribution of the vote across the country more favourable to them and the boundaries appear less biased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip &#8211; yes. If the Conservatives do better in marginal seats than elsewhere it will make the distribution of the vote across the country more favourable to them and the boundaries appear less biased.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386933</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony - if the Tories are doing better in marginal seats (as this NoW poll would suggest) then does this mean that the bias in the electoral system against the Tories is now unwinding? If this is the case then does this mean the Tories would actually need to be ahead nationally by fewer votes in order to secure a majority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony &#8211; if the Tories are doing better in marginal seats (as this NoW poll would suggest) then does this mean that the bias in the electoral system against the Tories is now unwinding? If this is the case then does this mean the Tories would actually need to be ahead nationally by fewer votes in order to secure a majority?</p>
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		<title>By: Reversepsychology</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386930</link>
		<dc:creator>Reversepsychology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Mike (the oracle) Richardson:

There is an incredibly safe New Labour seat in the North East of England that you have missed in your analysis of marginal swings – (Simply because it has never been thought of as marginal) - That of Houghton and Washington.

Always gone to Labour - Always will?

In the Washington constituencies aligned with Houghton-Le-Spring, one by one the Council seats are being won by the Tories.

And in Houghton-Le-Spring, the old quarry that sits above the Town centre itself, is now a land fill/toxic dumping ground, thanks to New Labour councillors. 

R.A.T.S. – (Residents against toxic site) the independent group, fighting to close this poisonous monstrosity, are picking off council seats one by one.

http://www.houghton-rats.org.uk/index.html

If in the next general election Councillor Colin Wakefield (R.A.T.S.) - and a natural Tory, (for this fact see “blog” on R.A.T.S. website) stood as an Independent candidate, (as he is threatening to do) he could well pick this once incredibly safe New Labour seat off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Mike (the oracle) Richardson:</p>
<p>There is an incredibly safe New Labour seat in the North East of England that you have missed in your analysis of marginal swings – (Simply because it has never been thought of as marginal) &#8211; That of Houghton and Washington.</p>
<p>Always gone to Labour &#8211; Always will?</p>
<p>In the Washington constituencies aligned with Houghton-Le-Spring, one by one the Council seats are being won by the Tories.</p>
<p>And in Houghton-Le-Spring, the old quarry that sits above the Town centre itself, is now a land fill/toxic dumping ground, thanks to New Labour councillors. </p>
<p>R.A.T.S. – (Residents against toxic site) the independent group, fighting to close this poisonous monstrosity, are picking off council seats one by one.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.houghton-rats.org.uk/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.houghton-rats.org.uk/index.html</a></p>
<p>If in the next general election Councillor Colin Wakefield (R.A.T.S.) &#8211; and a natural Tory, (for this fact see “blog” on R.A.T.S. website) stood as an Independent candidate, (as he is threatening to do) he could well pick this once incredibly safe New Labour seat off.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Wells</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386865</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - &quot;all i am saying is that the British deserve better now &amp; the POLLS and the media are reflecting that now.&quot;

Mike, that is the part that this site isn&#039;t the right place for. We should all be discussing what we think will happen, not what should happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; &#8220;all i am saying is that the British deserve better now &amp; the POLLS and the media are reflecting that now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mike, that is the part that this site isn&#8217;t the right place for. We should all be discussing what we think will happen, not what should happen.</p>
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		<title>By: simon cooke</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386841</link>
		<dc:creator>simon cooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are reports of a report from the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust on the &#039;purity&#039; of UK elections.  Have only seen the headlines on the BBC - yet again showing that people who don&#039;t understand how elections work shouldn&#039;t write long reports on how they might be improved.  Some reports on this focus on the criticism of funding directed at marginal seats saying that there &quot;is substantial evidence&quot; this funding skews results.  Other reports focus on aspects of fraud and especially the incidence of postal vote fraud.  This latter problem can be easily solved without individual registration by returning to the old system that required proof of reason for being an absent voter.

If any one can find a link it would be interesting (can&#039;t find the report or even a summary on JRRT&#039;s web site).  Finally, if JRRT got off its high horse for a second, it would realise that it has the capacity to influence the situation since it give about £2 million each year to the Lib Dems!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are reports of a report from the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust on the &#8216;purity&#8217; of UK elections.  Have only seen the headlines on the BBC &#8211; yet again showing that people who don&#8217;t understand how elections work shouldn&#8217;t write long reports on how they might be improved.  Some reports on this focus on the criticism of funding directed at marginal seats saying that there &#8220;is substantial evidence&#8221; this funding skews results.  Other reports focus on aspects of fraud and especially the incidence of postal vote fraud.  This latter problem can be easily solved without individual registration by returning to the old system that required proof of reason for being an absent voter.</p>
<p>If any one can find a link it would be interesting (can&#8217;t find the report or even a summary on JRRT&#8217;s web site).  Finally, if JRRT got off its high horse for a second, it would realise that it has the capacity to influence the situation since it give about £2 million each year to the Lib Dems!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike "the oracle" Richardson</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386691</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike "the oracle" Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FLUFFY THOUGHTS (EDP) Said &quot;So the Labour supporters may yet have a glimmer of hope. Come the election Tory campaign HQ may have to choose between burying the decaying body that is New Labour, or attacking the LDs in the key English marginals.&quot;

The Tories will not need to seperate Labour from Liberal in any attack - the voters know that the Liberals were only a tactical party to keep the Tories out of power - as i have said before on here - the Liberals are fighting for their own lives at the moment - the fight will this time be a fair one (without the Liberals using tactical votes) between the Tories and Labour - in 2010 it will be like watching a game of &quot;Risk&quot; as the constituencies and well known names fall from both parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FLUFFY THOUGHTS (EDP) Said &#8220;So the Labour supporters may yet have a glimmer of hope. Come the election Tory campaign HQ may have to choose between burying the decaying body that is New Labour, or attacking the LDs in the key English marginals.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Tories will not need to seperate Labour from Liberal in any attack &#8211; the voters know that the Liberals were only a tactical party to keep the Tories out of power &#8211; as i have said before on here &#8211; the Liberals are fighting for their own lives at the moment &#8211; the fight will this time be a fair one (without the Liberals using tactical votes) between the Tories and Labour &#8211; in 2010 it will be like watching a game of &#8220;Risk&#8221; as the constituencies and well known names fall from both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike "the oracle" Richardson</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386689</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike "the oracle" Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see better POLL breakdowns for the &quot;OTHERS&quot; in the POLLS - like the SNP , BNP , Plaid , UKIP etc - these are the Parties that are going to take the biggest share of the Labour core vote in 2010 &amp; in London (especially the BNP &amp; small socialist parties for London) - not the Liberals or the Tories.

The Tory increase will come from the Liberals and the large amount of voters who voted Tory in the 80&#039;s &amp; early 90&#039;s who just stopped voting all together in the last 11 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see better POLL breakdowns for the &#8220;OTHERS&#8221; in the POLLS &#8211; like the SNP , BNP , Plaid , UKIP etc &#8211; these are the Parties that are going to take the biggest share of the Labour core vote in 2010 &amp; in London (especially the BNP &amp; small socialist parties for London) &#8211; not the Liberals or the Tories.</p>
<p>The Tory increase will come from the Liberals and the large amount of voters who voted Tory in the 80&#8217;s &amp; early 90&#8217;s who just stopped voting all together in the last 11 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike "the oracle" Richardson</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386687</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike "the oracle" Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so pleased to see FREE SPEECH alive and well on this site - I must say though DAVID (BOWTELL) , my above list of predicted seat gains for the Tories in 2010 based on the recent POLLS and my own foresight - is not partisan , but a talking point to liven up debate on the ebb and flow of the POLLS and the POLLSTERS and the probable outcomes .

I cannot understand why you think i have a &quot;congenital dislike&quot; of Labour - they have a right to exist and give their point of view and act on it as the chosen party of government elected by a MASSIVE majority of    36%    of voters as you and i both do &amp; the Liberals , Tories , BNP , SNP etc - they have had 11 years to do what the   36%   thought they would do and have failed - all i am saying is that the British deserve better now &amp; the POLLS and the media are reflecting that now.

I do not dislike or like any political party in the UK , they all have bits that appeal to me , but some of them keep to their word and care about ALL the citizens including the working class - &quot;TOTALLY NON PARTISAN&quot; - Just a realist that sees what the other 74% of people being POLLED are seeing and saying that they will not vote Labour back in , in 2010.

I would be very happy to explain any of comments on this site that i may have made that you feel should have me gagged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so pleased to see FREE SPEECH alive and well on this site &#8211; I must say though DAVID (BOWTELL) , my above list of predicted seat gains for the Tories in 2010 based on the recent POLLS and my own foresight &#8211; is not partisan , but a talking point to liven up debate on the ebb and flow of the POLLS and the POLLSTERS and the probable outcomes .</p>
<p>I cannot understand why you think i have a &#8220;congenital dislike&#8221; of Labour &#8211; they have a right to exist and give their point of view and act on it as the chosen party of government elected by a MASSIVE majority of    36%    of voters as you and i both do &amp; the Liberals , Tories , BNP , SNP etc &#8211; they have had 11 years to do what the   36%   thought they would do and have failed &#8211; all i am saying is that the British deserve better now &amp; the POLLS and the media are reflecting that now.</p>
<p>I do not dislike or like any political party in the UK , they all have bits that appeal to me , but some of them keep to their word and care about ALL the citizens including the working class &#8211; &#8220;TOTALLY NON PARTISAN&#8221; &#8211; Just a realist that sees what the other 74% of people being POLLED are seeing and saying that they will not vote Labour back in , in 2010.</p>
<p>I would be very happy to explain any of comments on this site that i may have made that you feel should have me gagged.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bowtell</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1186/comment-page-1#comment-386663</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bowtell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fluffy Thoughts (EDP)

With apologies for the typogaphical slip, what I mean by &#039;balanced speculation&#039; is that I prefer an &#039;if&#039; or &#039;but&#039; approach to comment. I don&#039;t think the oracle&#039;s comments are particularly tongue in cheek, I think he is a congenital dislike of Labour whatever they do. Now, I&#039;m a Labour supporter and Chair of Fabian Group but I&#039;m quite prepared to admit that some of things the Thatcher governments did were necessary and beneficial for the country whilst some of the things Labour has done over the past 10 years could have been done differently and in the case of the 10p tax row should never been done in this way in the first place. I&#039;m just more interested, therefore, in speculating about things such as what might happen to the polls if GB hadn&#039;t pulled things round by October and was forced out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fluffy Thoughts (EDP)</p>
<p>With apologies for the typogaphical slip, what I mean by &#8216;balanced speculation&#8217; is that I prefer an &#8216;if&#8217; or &#8216;but&#8217; approach to comment. I don&#8217;t think the oracle&#8217;s comments are particularly tongue in cheek, I think he is a congenital dislike of Labour whatever they do. Now, I&#8217;m a Labour supporter and Chair of Fabian Group but I&#8217;m quite prepared to admit that some of things the Thatcher governments did were necessary and beneficial for the country whilst some of the things Labour has done over the past 10 years could have been done differently and in the case of the 10p tax row should never been done in this way in the first place. I&#8217;m just more interested, therefore, in speculating about things such as what might happen to the polls if GB hadn&#8217;t pulled things round by October and was forced out.</p>
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