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	<title>Comments on: Tories 3 points ahead in latest ICM poll</title>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1122/comment-page-2#comment-351634</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The timing of this pole was interesting.

It was before the nationalisation of Northern Rock was announced.

It was also before Cameron said that trips to Auschwitz were a gimmick.

Considering that these have been the only two interesting political events since Christmas, I can&#039;t wait to see what the next poll (from whoever) says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The timing of this pole was interesting.</p>
<p>It was before the nationalisation of Northern Rock was announced.</p>
<p>It was also before Cameron said that trips to Auschwitz were a gimmick.</p>
<p>Considering that these have been the only two interesting political events since Christmas, I can&#8217;t wait to see what the next poll (from whoever) says.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnH</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1122/comment-page-2#comment-351368</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds very credible to me, too - trending gradually downwards over the last few months from a short-lived peak of 13% to something more like the expected lead by the opposition at a difficult time for the government in mid-term. 

Yes, Portillo etc. made the prediction that this is not good enough for an outright win by the conservatives at the next election.

Even if there are very difficult times ahead for Labour in the next year, this remains a marathon -  and, despite the hopes of many who comment here, the outcome two years hence is wide open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds very credible to me, too &#8211; trending gradually downwards over the last few months from a short-lived peak of 13% to something more like the expected lead by the opposition at a difficult time for the government in mid-term. </p>
<p>Yes, Portillo etc. made the prediction that this is not good enough for an outright win by the conservatives at the next election.</p>
<p>Even if there are very difficult times ahead for Labour in the next year, this remains a marathon &#8211;  and, despite the hopes of many who comment here, the outcome two years hence is wide open.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1122/comment-page-2#comment-351358</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a 6 point Tory lead sounds very credible at the moment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a 6 point Tory lead sounds very credible at the moment</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Senior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Senior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Yougov poll for Economist post NR has Conservative lead down to 6% Con 40 Lab 34 LibDem 16 .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Yougov poll for Economist post NR has Conservative lead down to 6% Con 40 Lab 34 LibDem 16 .</p>
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		<title>By: john t t</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1122/comment-page-2#comment-351319</link>
		<dc:creator>john t t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lukw -  the Tories haven&#039;t benefitted hugely and they should have done. Portillo made a good point last night - they had the combined experience of Clarke, Lawson, Lamont and Howe at their disposal - did they ask them for a clear idea of what the opposition policy should be? Why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lukw &#8211;  the Tories haven&#8217;t benefitted hugely and they should have done. Portillo made a good point last night &#8211; they had the combined experience of Clarke, Lawson, Lamont and Howe at their disposal &#8211; did they ask them for a clear idea of what the opposition policy should be? Why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Lukw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I am aware Labour advocated membership of the ERM and were not clamoring for withdrawl or a devaluation of Sterling against the Mark in the days and weeks before the fallout. But thy still benefitted quite hugely from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I am aware Labour advocated membership of the ERM and were not clamoring for withdrawl or a devaluation of Sterling against the Mark in the days and weeks before the fallout. But thy still benefitted quite hugely from it.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The opposition has had no consistent and convincing line on what to do about NR since it happened, but have been hoping that somehow it could be worked up into Labour&#039;s &quot;Black Wednesday&quot;. 

Even now, while it is their right (and duty) to criticise the government, they failed to convince on rational arguments that they could have achieved any better outcome. They have instead recycled yet again their trivial mantra of &quot;dither&quot;, tried personal attack on Darling, tried to present nationalisation as a throwback to the 70s,  gone WAY over the top with talk of calamity... 

They have not come out of this week looking like a convincing alternative government. Brown&#039;s jibe about &quot;student politics&quot; was perhaps un unfair slur on students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The opposition has had no consistent and convincing line on what to do about NR since it happened, but have been hoping that somehow it could be worked up into Labour&#8217;s &#8220;Black Wednesday&#8221;. </p>
<p>Even now, while it is their right (and duty) to criticise the government, they failed to convince on rational arguments that they could have achieved any better outcome. They have instead recycled yet again their trivial mantra of &#8220;dither&#8221;, tried personal attack on Darling, tried to present nationalisation as a throwback to the 70s,  gone WAY over the top with talk of calamity&#8230; </p>
<p>They have not come out of this week looking like a convincing alternative government. Brown&#8217;s jibe about &#8220;student politics&#8221; was perhaps un unfair slur on students.</p>
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		<title>By: jon tt</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;nod&quot; would have raised the question - why are we providing a public subsidy to a private sale? (This is widely regarded as a worse outcome than nationalisation)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;nod&#8221; would have raised the question &#8211; why are we providing a public subsidy to a private sale? (This is widely regarded as a worse outcome than nationalisation)</p>
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		<title>By: NBeale</title>
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		<dc:creator>NBeale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no Offer but there were three offers.
So Brown is technically correct - obviously Lloyds TSB would not waste money and time making a formal offer unless they had cleared the principle with the Bank and the Treasury.  But there is little doubt that, if they had got the nod, they would have made a formal Offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was no Offer but there were three offers.<br />
So Brown is technically correct &#8211; obviously Lloyds TSB would not waste money and time making a formal offer unless they had cleared the principle with the Bank and the Treasury.  But there is little doubt that, if they had got the nod, they would have made a formal Offer.</p>
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		<title>By: jon tt</title>
		<link>http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1122/comment-page-2#comment-351178</link>
		<dc:creator>jon tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the govt should have accepted the LLoyds TSB offer to buy the bank and offered the standby credit line they were requesting&quot;

If they&#039;d done that, there&#039;d have been howls of derision, and quite right too, at the price of the credit line. Lloyds were told that their &quot;offer&quot; would have to make sense to the taxpayer - their terms were worse than olivant&#039;s.

 My &quot;friends in the City&quot; don&#039;t have judgemental blinkers - their interest lies in with recognising a good deal rather than judging competence. Lloyds weren&#039;t offering a good deal. Nor was Branson or anyone else, simply because there was no &quot;good deal&quot; to be had. 

Colion - 

&quot;NR is to be exempted from such accountability &amp; scrutiny under the Bill as drafted&quot;

No - its accountability is in place; the degree of publication of its confidential arrangements is the thing at issue.  The accusation of &quot;quadrangle politics&quot; hits the Tories because they are seeking to blur, simply for the sake of scoring debating points, the issues of proper accountability and reasonable commercial confidentiality. Theirs is an immature approach to a problem that iscrying out for non-ideological thinking.

Redwood&#039;s only thought on this is that the delay was the problem. Wrong. NR was stuffed by its dodgy business strategy coupled with extremely dubious selling of dodgy mortgages, closely followed by shenanigans of re-packaged mortgage bonds, smelly mortgages dressed up as AAA rated and sold on around the world. No degree of fleet-footedness would have lifted NR out from the mire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the govt should have accepted the LLoyds TSB offer to buy the bank and offered the standby credit line they were requesting&#8221;</p>
<p>If they&#8217;d done that, there&#8217;d have been howls of derision, and quite right too, at the price of the credit line. Lloyds were told that their &#8220;offer&#8221; would have to make sense to the taxpayer &#8211; their terms were worse than olivant&#8217;s.</p>
<p> My &#8220;friends in the City&#8221; don&#8217;t have judgemental blinkers &#8211; their interest lies in with recognising a good deal rather than judging competence. Lloyds weren&#8217;t offering a good deal. Nor was Branson or anyone else, simply because there was no &#8220;good deal&#8221; to be had. </p>
<p>Colion &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;NR is to be exempted from such accountability &amp; scrutiny under the Bill as drafted&#8221;</p>
<p>No &#8211; its accountability is in place; the degree of publication of its confidential arrangements is the thing at issue.  The accusation of &#8220;quadrangle politics&#8221; hits the Tories because they are seeking to blur, simply for the sake of scoring debating points, the issues of proper accountability and reasonable commercial confidentiality. Theirs is an immature approach to a problem that iscrying out for non-ideological thinking.</p>
<p>Redwood&#8217;s only thought on this is that the delay was the problem. Wrong. NR was stuffed by its dodgy business strategy coupled with extremely dubious selling of dodgy mortgages, closely followed by shenanigans of re-packaged mortgage bonds, smelly mortgages dressed up as AAA rated and sold on around the world. No degree of fleet-footedness would have lifted NR out from the mire.</p>
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