The average Tory lead in June’s Voting intention polls so far is around 5 points, with the Tories in the low forties, Labour up in the high thirties. The level of party support appears to have settled down since the fading of the “rally round the flag” effect in May.

Looking away from the coronavirus polling it is now almost two months since Keir Starmer became Labour leader, so we have an initial chance to see how he’s registered with the general public.

When I write about results for “who would make the best Prime Minister?” question on social media I often get comments along the lines of “its easier to look like a good Prime Minister when you are Prime Minister”. This is correct, but it doesn’t devalue the question. It is indeed easier to look Prime Ministerial when you are Prime Minister, and this is an advantage that the PM will enjoy in real life, and will enjoy come any election. It is not the case that Prime Ministers always lead on this question. When he was leader of the opposition Tony Blair was consistently ahead of John Major on this question, David Cameron often polled ahead of Gordon Brown. Therefore Starmer’s ratings in his first few months look promising – YouGov had him neck-and-neck with Boris Johnson earlier this month, the latest Opinium poll for the Observer has him two points ahead of Johnson as preferred PM.

Questions asking about Starmer in his own right also seem positive. He has solidly positive approval ratings from YouGov, Ipsos MORI, Survation and Opinium. YouGov’s questions on leader attributes give him strongly positive ratings on being decisive, strong, competent and likeable. By 40% to 32% people say he does look like a Prime Minister in waiting.

It is a cliche to say that first impressions count, but that doesn’t mean it is untrue. History is littered with opposition leaders who really didn’t come across as being capable or substantial figures in their early months in the role and never recovered. Starmer became leader at an unusual time – the coronavirus outbreak very much dictated what he spoke about and concentrated upon. It gave him an immediate challenge of getting his response right to a major crisis. In one sense this is an opportunity – it is a large, serious issue where the leader of the opposition can show they are a serious politician with serious things to say. However, it also brings the risk of being ignored as an irrelevance, or being seen as opportunistic if you pitch it wrong (compare and contrast with the failed Tory leaders during their period in opposition – Iain Duncan Smith became Tory leader immediately after 911… and was ignored; William Hague shortly before the death of Princess Diana, and struggled to speak for the people in a way that came naturally to Tony Blair). Judging by his initial poll ratings, Starmer appears to have passed this initial test.

It’s worth noting that all the polling I’ve referred to here comes from before the sacking of Rebecca Long-Bailey. While that is certainly important for what it tells us about Starmer’s willingness to stamp his authority upon his party, I don’t expect it to make much difference to this figures (realistically the sacking of a shadow cabinet minister is not often something that produces any reverberations beyond the most seasoned Westminster watchers). But as ever, we shall see.

Right now Starmer’s popularity isn’t translating into a polling lead for the Labour party, but having a leader with a popular image who is seen as a plausible Prime Minister gives them the right foundation should the Government’s support falter. The Conservative Government has two huge challenges ahead of them (Brexit and Corona). Either would be daunting alone, let alone both together. For the past few years they have faced the luxury of being up against a not particularly effective opposition, riven by internal divides and with a leader whose support was deep rather than wide. It’ll be interesting to see how they cope with their challenges when they are up against a more substantial opposition.

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  1. @ James E
    The size of Wales is a sensible yardstick.

    Let`s all try to use it, with variants such “half the size of Wales”, “twice the size of Wales”.

  2. DAVWEL @ James E

    Is Kent best described as 18% of a Wales, or as a multiple of how many lorries it can accommodate?

  3. DANNY

    “I really see little evidence people are taking this seriously any more. It is starting to get annoying.”

    Tell that to the holidaymakers queuing at Calais and Dieppe.

  4. Talk of Wales is a bit of a coincidence as I’ve just started rereading The Description of Wales by Gerald of Wales. In English I’m afraid, my Latin was never much good. This passage struck me:
    “Treachery on the part of the Welsh is is a much greater source of peril than any open warfare;: their perfidy is more to be feared than their armed strength, their apparent goodwill more than their open anger, their ingratiating ways more than their animosity, their treason more than their taking up arms, their feigned friendship more than their enmity…”

    Gerald was born in Wales and was the great-grandson of a Prince of South Wales.

  5. JiB

    Aren’t those who went off to foreign parts on non-essential journeys evidence that some didn’t take the situation seriously?

    For weeks, our FM has been warning folk that non essential foreign travel was unwise, since the rules both there and back home could change suddenly.

    Hell mend them.

  6. And so it came to pass. I was hoping to take my leave of UKPR this time around on the back of a shock Angus Reed poll showing a 15% Labour lead and with Keir Starmer enjoying the highest personal approval ratings for a PM since Winston Churchill shortly after his “we shall fight them on the beaches..” speech in 1940. Alas, it was wasn’t to be. Instead my high point was three weeks ago when the Villa escaped relegation by the skin of their teeth. I should have departed on that high note but, ill advisedly, I lingered on beyond my sell-by date.

    It seems a good time to go now. I’m talked out really and I have things to do and places to see. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my UKPR dalliances since I returned in February and it’s been a welcome distraction during the bleak lockdown days. It always has been a pleasure really. Mainly a self-indulgent one, for I just enjoy writing about politics, and a few other obsessions too, and it’s always interesting to hear what others think about these things too.

    Thanks to Anthony for his forbearance and for all the other posters who’ve added to the enjoyment in their many and varied ways. Occasional harsh words, but no hard feelings towards anyone. It’s still a largely civilised space for illuminating discussion and a credit to all those who contribute.

    I hope to come back one day, quite possibly to comment on the US presidential election when we get to the vinegar strokes around early November, but that will depend where I may be by then. Might depend on how Biden’s doing too!

    I’ll definitely pick up with old Crofty (R&D) if I can refine my novice social media expertise, and I still harbour fanciful thoughts of a meet-up one day of all the old UKPR regulars. A sort of murder mystery weekend type thing at a country retreat, maybe? :-)

    MOG stood me up in Stratford though on our July date.

    I’ll sign off for now with my beloved Van Morrison. “Rave on John Donne”.

    I’ve raved on for too long, but I live to rave another day no doubt.

    Van at his finest. Some typical stream of consciousness stuff for the first two minutes or so, but then Van’s voice just soars and there is some wonderful saxophone playing in there too.

    See you all again one day I hope. In the meantime, good wishes to one and all.

  7. All the best CB. Though we disagree on a lot of politics, it’d always be a pleasure to have a pint with a fellow Villa fan one day.

  8. CB11

    You have been a witty, thoughtful and valuable companion on our rambles through the realms of opinion and polls. Occasionally on this site we have even combined them – but not that often.

    If UKPR survives Anthony’s lack of interest in it, I hope that we may meet again.

  9. Best of luck crossbat

  10. Take care Crossbat, watch out for rogue polls and rogue cyclists alike, and I look forward to getting your take on things when we get to the sharp end stateside!

  11. Pete [email protected]: ‘@ Pete B
    “I had a dream once where I met a Scot who wasn’t grouchy.”

    I had a dream once I met a Brexiteer who wasn’t stupid.’

    Can we lay off the ad hominem stuff? My comment wasn’t addressed to a particular individual.

    [1] I’ll buy your defence if you can demonstrate that Scots are not individuals in a way that brexiteers are.

    [2] Assuming you fail on [1], I’ll say that you are a silly man, if only so you can see what ad hominem means.

  12. @OLDNAT

    their ritual “Resign” dance.

    I remember Tony Benn complaining about this tendency within his own party in the Major years “…last week they were demanding the resignation of someone I’d never heard of!”

  13. @Crossbat

    (Before you leave, wrote a reply to your Ricoh post a while back but didn’t get around to posting it…)

    Once again, many thanks for your post about what happened to the Ricoh. Been a bit busy with my studio, but I enjoyed reading about your role at JRL, and the info. about how JRL were originally going to be involved in the stadium, about which I didn’t know. I wasn’t aware of how the XK had been intended for Brown’s Lane either.

    Sadly, I’m a bit more aware of how the Sky Blues were not exactly in pole position at the Ricoh after Wasps took over, but didn’t have your experience of how the stadium management team saw things.

    Now, regarding not liking the Villa… it’s true that there has been a degree of enmity but I think deep down many sky blues fans know that for Villa fans, their main rivalry would tend to be with other Birmingham teams. I’ve never really felt much enmity myself, and like seeing West Mercian teams doing well.

    There’s a bit of rivalry with Leicester too, but we’ve not got that much history and again, Leicester tend to see other East Mids teams, Derby and Forest as bigger rivals. (On footie boards Foxes fans might even suggest Peterborough are bigger rivals).

    I could quite happily have a Premiership packed with Midlands (and Mercian) teams… Wolves, Villa, Sky Blues, Baggies, Birmingham City, Stoke, Walsall, Burton Albion, Derby, Forest, Leicester, Notts County, Lincoln, Northampton Town etc. etc.

    Anyway, part of the delay in replying was because I was giving quitecsome though to your other post about statistical noise etc., about which in the next post.

    P.s. Regarding your question concerning how infection fatality rates can differ and whether it’s all just statistical noise, to some extent it depends on the situation. When considering how IFRs in the German study might differ from NYC say, both could be correct because describing different situations. Conditions in NYC might be very different, hence why some have discussed the impact of subway systems etc.

    However, when comparing models of the UK outbreak, for example, that relate to much the same situation, then differing IFRs can be a bit more challenging. But to some extent they may just reflect imprecision in the data, the same way polling gives results within a range. So there’s some noise, but it’s not necessarily all noise. (There are ways to try and get beyond that noise of course, and we’ve explored bits of that on here).

  14. @DANNY

    Regardless, it implies here are lots of people with motivation not to bother with quarantine. They will react the same if they are told they might have had contact with someone in their home town.

    It shows there is some number of people who don’t want to be quarantined – but that rather implies that if they *were* placed under quarantine they’d feel obliged to comply with it, otherwise why bother cutting short a holiday they’ve already paid for?

    Worth noting as well that this situation (being quarantined because the status of your holiday country changes whilst you’re away) and the situation you compare to (being quarantined because you’ve been exposed to a COVID carrier in the course of your normal life) are going to be fundamentally different for a lot of people.

    Plenty of employers will view the former as a risk taken by the employee that’s not deserving of financial support if it goes wrong, whereas the latter is bad luck, it’s no different to being off sick with the flu. And whilst newspapers in particular love to get all exercised about how low SSP is, most employers will have some kind of company sick pay scheme that’s well above that. Plus if the employee was Furloughed at some point between March and June then they can be put onto Furlough again during quarantine and HMRC will pay 80% of their wages anyway.

    So the financial incentive for people to dodge Track N Trace is going to be much narrower than for people to get back from France before the rule changes.

  15. TNO
    “[1] I’ll buy your defence if you can demonstrate that Scots are not individuals in a way that brexiteers are.

    [2] Assuming you fail on [1], I’ll say that you are a silly man, if only so you can see what ad hominem means.”

    The chap’s post was addressed to me personally, whereas my original post was not addressed to anyone in particular. I think it is silly that this even merits comment.
    “I could quite happily have a Premiership packed with Midlands (and Mercian) teams… Wolves, Villa, Sky Blues, Baggies, Birmingham City, Stoke, Walsall, Burton Albion, Derby, Forest, Leicester, Notts County, Lincoln, Northampton Town etc. etc.”

    I once worked out that the record was (I think) 9 teams. It was in the early 1980s and Notts County was one of them. Let’s hope they get back into the league soon. Who is now the oldest league club I wonder? Sheffield Wednesday possibly? Too late to look it up. ‘Night all.

  16. edge of reason,
    In matters of law the question is frequently whether you can get away with it. Not mentioning a sore throat might be easier than explaining how you said you were going to France but actually holidayed at home instead.

    What these people illustrate is a strong motivation not to lose a fortnight’s work. Despite their presumably getting the sick pay if officially quarantined or furlough ed as you describe?

    During this epidemic a number of outbreaks have been traced to people with symptoms not quarantining. All I wanted to point out is that people do seem motivated to take significant action to avoid a couple of weeks quarantine.

  17. Hireton
    “Just an observation that you are the poster who most often refuses to engage when challenged and goes off to your allotment (in reality or metaphorically) insecure in your ability to back up your assertions.”

    Well you are correct that I do not engage in lengthy detailed debate but that is because it does not interest me, not through any sense of insecurity as you well know. Nor do I run away as you suggest, I often continue posting.

    “As you just did when you discovered I wasn’t Scottish so didn’t conform with your prejudice.”

    I was gobsmacked actually because your posts are frequently anti-English so I made an assumption that was incorrect. My original post which set off our dialogue was like your own, just an observation about the insecurity of some Scots including some who post here, how that is prejudice I really don’t understand. I actually want Scotland to stay in the UK because I think that would be good for all our peoples as I posted earlier in this thread.

    “And the poster who casually insults people. As you also just did so proving the point.”

    I never casually insult anybody. When I insult somebody, it is done with the clear intention of doing so. On here I usually do it in response to insults received like yours. I accept that drags me down to your level but sometimes it is necessary to respond in kind.

  18. “I was gobsmacked actually because your posts are frequently anti-English so…”

    Lol. I’d ask for evidence but he’ll just go off to his allotment.

  19. @Crossbat11
    Sorry to see you go, but you are right to prioritise enjoying real life!
    Thanks for your thoughtful contributions and your humour, both were much appreciated. You will be sorely missed…
    All the best,

  20. Hireton

    Still here, and laughing. It’s raining so no allotment today.

  21. The New R& W poll is out:
    CON: 43% (=)
    LAB: 36% (-2)
    LDM: 9% (+2)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    Via @RedfieldWilton, 12 Aug.*
    Changes w/ 29 Jul.

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister for the United Kingdom?
    Boris Johnson: 47% (-1)
    Keir Starmer: 33% (+1)

    Approval Ratings:
    Keir Starmer:
    Approve: 38% (=)
    Disapprove: 22% (-5)
    NET: +16% (+5)
    Boris Johnson:
    Approve: 45% (=)
    Disapprove: 36% (+2)
    NET: +9% (-2)

    Polldrums continues. The Tories will be pleased with a 2% increase in the lead, Labour with Starmer’s approval rating. BJ remains best for PM by 14% very similar to last week, and very different to YouGov.


    Take care and enjoy your football

  22. Pete B @ me TNO
    “[1] I’ll buy your defence if you can demonstrate that Scots are not individuals in a way that brexiteers are.

    [2] Assuming you fail on [1], I’ll say that you are a silly man, if only so you can see what ad hominem means.”

    The chap’s post was addressed to me personally, whereas my original post was not addressed to anyone in particular. I think it is silly that this even merits comment.

    The chap’s post was in response to yours, not addressed to you. You could only reasonably claim the comment is about you if you concede your opening comment was directed at a specific individual. Obviously he had to quote the context, in order for his post not to look as randomly silly as yours did.

    It is beginning to look like you made the opening comment in order to manufacture some grievance.

  23. Andy Burnham, Mayor of Greater Manchester, is now taking advice on a legal challenge to Ofqal and its A level methodology.

  24. @ Batty

    Good Luck on your travels!

  25. There needs to be consistency from our miserable excuse for a government.
    If they propose to apply regional restrictions to address regional increases in covid. The same should apply to regional outbreaks outside of brexitania.
    Blanket effective travel bans to and from countries including France which have regional outbreaks are pointless and cause acrimony with neighbouring countries.

    Probably the most ridiculous example of this to date is imposing travel restrictions to the canary islands which are over 1500 kilometres from the centre of the outbreak n peninsula Spain and geographically in another continent.

    If France decided to impose reciprocal restrictions let’s hope they include Gibraltar with no covid cases a thousand miles from the UK as it will be entirely consistent with our government’s policies.

  26. CB
    Will miss your contributions.

  27. Who?! Who?!
    @ Pete B
    Have you ever seen the film Body heat: modern version of Double Indemnity, with updated sex. Some of the best scenes take place in a diner in a Florida heat wave. John Hurt (the fall-guy) a lawyer, the DA, & the tough funny black cop banter at lunch time. The cop explains that people commit more & different crimes in a heat wave. They lose self-control he says. I’m the same, I’m regressing into hysteria, unable in the heat to take things seriously, least of all this site.

    I parodied yr remark. Brexiteers aren’t all stupid but they have imposed on us the stupidest government in my lifetime. In 1852 a Tory government was formed. As the deaf Wellington listened to the names of the nonentities who comprised the cabinet he kept saying Who? Who? & that was the name by which the short-lived & inglorious government was known.
    Yr Brexit government should be known as the What? Who? No! Really! Impossible! government. The Stupid Party is living up to its name. I never thought it mattered that much who was a minister. The senior Civil Servants would keep them in line. Now we discover the price of ineptitude married to ideology.

  28. @ BFR – Great to be back to civilised discussions. I would note that ONS infection survey show a very wide confidence range as they are finding such a low number of needles in their haystack of sampling and trying to extrapolate that nationally[1]

    95% credible interval: 2,300 to 5,900

    but yes, the range and stated best guess number has risen on their reports.

    Other SAGE source input such as Cambridge nowcast (fortnightly update) has shown less change and still on a gentle decline from high-point of 350k per day (mid-late Mar) to around 3k per day now. ie infections now are approx 1% of what they were back in late Mar.

    Please note I am worried and concerned but just putting in a sense of “proportion” on the numbers. Cases is “dodgy” data – it was back in Mar and still is. It is “better” data now than then but still has a huge list of caveats.

    Vastly more important however, is the “targeted, local” nature of both infections and the response.

    There are also issues around all the old subjects of “dandelions” (folks escaping higher infection zones and “seeding” low infection zones); behavioural fatigue/fraying (ie will lockdown2.0 work as effectively as 1.0, Leicester not coming down quicker is a worry); etc

    Then the socio-economic impact. The exam fiasco 2020 is just one of many examples of the “can kicking” issues of locking down (any idiot can lockdown and kick the direct and indirect problems into the future)

    Kids in every younger year group will be stuck with the lockdown damage for the rest of their lives (ie kids in many disadvantaged skools will never be able to catch back up – loads of reports have been written on that). They’ll also be paying back the debt we’re building up for the rest of their lives.

    So, what to do going forward? Let’s hear your thoughts, I’ve stated some fairly low impact minor “tinkering” that would IMO help but there are (IMO) no “good” ways to proceed that don’t involve a time machine.

    If it comes to it and we have to lock down pubs etc again then so be it. I’m not sure it would even work unless we move more towards a Police State so let’s hope the “targeted, local” approach with some ongoing tinkering works. That is not “cheer leading” Boris+co. that is the hope of the nation.

    PS One final piece of maths. If we “tolerate” averaging100 community deaths/day (NHS can cope with that) then with IFR of 0.5% (bit lower than 1% due to treatments and a “sample” skewed more towards younger folks than older folks and ignoring Care Homes which are separate issue) then that is 20,000 community infections/day. So 3,800ish with R close to 1?

    Very worrying if R is raging out of control nationally but for now maybe a bit more “fear” but no over reacting is OK (not ideal, just “less bad” than the alternatives). Stay Alert – if the numbers change then we should see “action” (targeted and local) if the action is insufficient then more action. Flexible is the key word. Fully accept we (and most of rWorld) are winging it. After NZ fell then I hope the “eliminate” squad have finally given up that pipe dream and for England/UK to get anywhere near their level of infection would have taken many more months of lockdown1.0 (we did that maths on UKPR yonks ago – pretty sure SAGE (England) and HMG did that maths as well)

    [1] DANNY does have a small point about that but he then relies almost exclusively on one piece of data that “fits” his view. Cambridge data is actually close to King’s app (within the MoE, confidence range). King’s data is “live” and Cambridge is a bit of back-fitting. ONS is a survey. Seeing all these different approaches come in within MoE of each other is “helpful” and my prior concern of “herding” (tweaking models to get similar to each other) is probably not valid.

  29. Crossbat11

    Many thanks from me too for your excellent contributions to this site.

    Don’t stay away too long!

  30. ROBBIEALIVE yur 10.18

    What a load of biased nonsense. This is a site for discussing opinion polls and I posted a new one this morning.

    In view of your post, perhaps you could explain why that poll shows the Tories with a 7% lead over Labour and the Prime Minister with a 14% lead over Starmer for PM. It suggests to me that the voters share my view of the government more than they share yours, by some way.

  31. Cheers SeaBee, hurry back, I’ll miss the bulletins from the bottom, of the Prem.

  32. Steve your 9.54

    Recent polling suggeststhe voters don’t agree with you.
    YouGovAug 14, 2020

    From Saturday people returning back to the UK from France and the Netherlands will have to quarantine for 14 days. Do you approve or disapprove of this decision?

    3816 GB adults surveyed
    Approve 77%
    Disapprove 11%
    Don’t know 12%

  33. TNO
    It was a joke for goodness sake. Hardly worth a lengthy debate.

  34. TOH
    Yes, polls show government lead staying pretty stable. And thanks for being one of the few who still posts about polls. It makes a welcome change from all the armchair expert analysis of the Covid epidemic and how it is being dealt with.

  35. Pete B @ me TNO
    It was a joke for goodness sake. Hardly worth a lengthy debate.

    So you could not take RobbieAlive’s post in the same spirit, preferring to interpret it as ‘ad hominem’?

    Sauce for the Scot is sauce for the brexiteer, I would have thought.

  36. PETEB

    ” It makes a welcome change from all the armchair expert analysis of the Covid epidemic and how it is being dealt with.”

    Thanks Pete, trouble is very few want’s to talk about the polls although I guess they might on Sunday as Opinium has the lowest Tory leads usually, and the site is dominated by LoC contributors.

    As for the Corvid epidemic, like you I suspect, i don’t need reminding about it, since it is ever present in our lives and has been for months. I am happy for the experts advising the government to carry on with their goodwork and pray that the scientists working on vaccines find a reliable one soon.

  37. TOH
    When did the British public become epidemiologists?
    Frankly it wouldn’t matter how many agreed its epidemiologically pointless.
    But the perception of doing something is clearly what matters.

    Perfectly legitimate non biased and accurate assessment of the village idiot government.

  38. TOH
    I really think your assessment of the loc balance on this site is inconsistent.

    Or is it simply that you and your fellow brexitoid Tory Pete B post more than any one else?

  39. @ TOH

    (1). A polling site you say? If the site is anything it’s a venue for a somewhat obsessive discussion of Covid infection rates — past, present & future — long ago detached from polling & of great interest to a small number of people & ignored by everyone else.
    (2) I take no interest in current UK polls, once I had registered that Starmer had made a good start, given the next GE is 4 years away. I am much more interested in the US polls & am grateful to @EOR & others for keeping us informed.
    (3) The ministers in this government — the Brexit Party all but in name — have been chosen not for their talent but for their loyalty to Brexit & above all to Johnson. It is also been made clear that anyone with an independence of mind will be sacked. A poor basis for constructing a cabinet.
    One group that has suffered more than most under Covid is schoolkids & their parents. If you believe their interests have been served by a hapless ninny like Williamson then bully for you. Most times when I see a Tory minister in action I look away, as one does when passing a nasty car accident.

    The Tories were aware of Johnson’s defects when they chose him: that he is a mendacious, lazy windbag, but thought correctly he could win an election. Their loyalty to him I suspect is not v deep & if he falls behind in the polls in a year or 2 then they will probably dispense with him.

  40. Update of most recent five Scottish polls, with eye candy:

    HR Constituency
    HR Regional List
    HR Seat Predictions
    WM VI
    WM Seat Predictions

  41. Forgot to add. The weighted average weightings for the last five polls:


    I hemmed and hawed about making it more realistic (read, complicated), and decided that over five months, a lot can change, and the differences between the simple and weighted polls are ultimately very small.

  42. Steve
    “Perfectly legitimate non biased and accurate assessment of the village idiot government.”

    You may think that but what matters is what the voters think when it comes to electing governments and currently the polls suggest that they prefer the current government to a Lbour alternative.

    “Or is it simply that you and your fellow brexitoid Tory Pete B post more than any one else?”

    I don’t actually post much these days and PeteB is not a Tory, so you are wrong on both counts.

    ROBBIEALIVE your 12.31pm

    I appreciate that you don’t like the current polling because it does not conform with your biased view (not complaining, we all have our bias).

    I agree about Corvid talking shop but it’s not what the site is supposed to be about.

    I agree Starmer has made a good start, and I agree with your last sentence. The Tories will do whatever is necessary to ensure they win the next election, their ruthlessness is one of the things I admire about the party.

  43. Opinium

    Westminster voting intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 39% (+1)
    LDEM: 5% (-1)

    (via Britain Elects)

  44. New thread by the way chaps.

  45. Exams may well be the best way to measure ability, especially when a student is backed-up by parents who are savvy enough and assertive enough to appeal against their scores.

    Not all students are so fortunate.

  46. @Danny

    “Testing has become dangerous because it gives a false impression of understanding what is happening.”

    You are a Trumpist t**t. With honours.

  47. Although I agree that a massive Keynesian stimulus is required, its odd that the IFS think that now, but back in 2010 they thought the disastrous austerity approach was the way forward.

    Maybe they are not quite as independent as they let on?

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