A quick update on three new voting intention polls in the last day:

Survation for the Daily Mail have topline figures of CON 38%(+1), LAB 37%(-4), LDEM 10%(+4), UKIP 4%(+3). Fieldwork was done wholly on Friday, after the news of Boris Johnson’s seperation from his wife had broken and changes are from their poll earlier this week which had shown a four point Labour lead. The changes are from their poll at the start of the week that showed a four point Labour lead – obviously given the closeness of fieldwork those changes are more likely to be noise than a sudden surge in Lib Dem support within a matter of days! Full details are here.

BMG for the Independent have topline figures of CON 37%(nc), LAB 38%(-1), LDEM 11%(+1), UKIP 7%(+2). Fieldwork was Tuesday to Friday and the (insignificant) changes are from last month. Full tabs are here.

Finally YouGov‘s weekly poll for the Times had headline figures of CON 39%(nc), LAB 35%(-2), LDDEM 11%(+1), UKIP 5%(nc). Fieldwork was on Monday and Tuesday, and changes are from last week. Full tables are here.

All three polls obviously show Labour and Conservative relatively close. Worth noting is that all three have the Liberal Democrats sneaking up into double figures, something that does seem to be part of a wider trend of the Liberal Democrats very gradually starting to recover support.


327 Responses to “Latest YouGov, BMG and Survation voting intention”

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  1. BARBAZENZERO

    Thanks a lot: very kind of you to take the trouble.

  2. BARBAZENZERO

    Thanks a lot: very kind of you to take the trouble.

  3. Apologies – spell check ran riot in the last couple of comments.

  4. Laszlo: Well, it’s not 25%, but it’s more than enough to cause chaos in the Swedish parliament.

    Most likely we will see a similar outcome to Germany, where advances by the far-right result in the only viable government being a competent but managerial grand coalition which just plays into the populists’ hands (“they’re all the same, part of one establishment united against us ordinary people” etc).

    But yes, you’d prefer to see them being a disruptive opposition party than part of a government.

  5. You’re welcome, Paul.

    If you run into any problems, please let me know.

  6. Turnout in Sweden DOWN to 84.3%!

  7. Polltroll

    You are right, but a few percents increase is not particularly important – mind if another recession is by the corner…. Then it would be.

    I don’t think it will be like in Germany (grand coalition with AfD being the opposition). The Swedish constitutional system is quite different from other countries’ system – you don’t need to beat the against, just have more votes than those for the alternative propositions.

    The Left, which was an effective C&S agreement with the social democrats still seem to manage 8%+ (difficult because the cities’ results are now coming in). If the Greens pass the threshold, they will continue as before.

    However, there is still one thing – the working class (as defined by the pollsters) voted for the social democrats at 56% two decades ago, now it is about 34%.

    There is another one. Their shareholders party will get in with more votes, largely from youngsters (and hence may form a coalition with the Moderates).

  8. 14m ago

    21:50

    Patrick Greenfield

    Not long to go now. With just under 85% of votes counted, here’s how things stand:

    Social Democrats – 28.2%

    Moderates – 19.7%

    Sweden Democrats – 17.7%

    Centre Party – 8.6%

    Left Party – 8.0%

    Christian Democrats – 6.4%

    Liberal Party – 5.5%

    Green Party – 4.4%

  9. Can someone tell me how to switch off spell check on a Fire? The search on the net is useless.

    It cuts out words. And in the penultimate line of my previous comment it replaced “the smallholders party” with “Their shareholders party ”

    Oh, it now attempted to replace “with” with 27th…. But I spotted it.

  10. SAM

    Roger, what might the approval rating of minus 34 for the Chequers plan say to the public about the competence of the May government?

    Well probably just that the Chequers plan, unworkable and incomprehensible as it is, is still better than flouncing out a couple of days afterwards (because you’re scared to resign to May’s face) and believing that waving your arms about is a substitute for a programme of action. At least May is seen to be trying to do something (at last), even if it is rubbish.

    The point is that much of what people base political decisions on is about tone. Many people don’t have the time or capacity or knowledge to make decisions on actual facts, but rely on how things come across and how the people who are promoting them sound. And it’s clear that to many people (including those who matter) Boris is coming across as a noisy windbag.

  11. Seems to me there was more heat than light in some of the recent coverage of the Swedish elections
    Over 80% of the vote went to centre left or right parties with the far right Swedish democrats only up less than 5% on 17.6% of the vote

  12. NeilJ: “Over 80% of the vote went to centre left or right parties”

    Only if you consider the Left Party, made up of former communists, centre-left.

  13. Roger Mexico

    Of course you are right that people make up their minds about people and politics in all sorts of ways. Not necessarily in the sort of way that we might wish.The Conservative party, when asked, seems to think that Johnson should succeed May and that May should go. Inevitably, he will be a worse PM than May should he hold that position.

  14. @tw
    “Is Sweden one of your Northern European countries?”

    Yes, I was including them, I don’t really see the problem if it takes time for governments to form, if a ‘strong’ government simply means a minority gets to inflict some idiotic change at will only for the other side to undo it later on and inflict their own daft changes I’d rather do without it. It’s not like the country actually stops while the politicians are sorting themselves out. Despite their apparent ‘issues’ those countries all still score better than us (or the USA) on development/wellbeing indices and productivity.

    “Seriously? I thought you supported the EU which has a democratic deficit that dwarfs the mixed v FPTP system. Pot and kettle springs to mind!”

    By my estimate, no it does not. My vote for my mep was actually worth more than my vote for my MP is, despite the former being ‘watered down’ by about 7 times the population.

  15. In the increasingly bizarre world of Brexit, we now seem to be getting to the meat of things.

    Steve Baker is warning of a ‘catastrophic split’ in the Conservative Party if May pushes on with the Chequers approach, and seeing the feelings on the other wing of the Tory camp, a major split is becoming increasingly likely. Without a second public referendum, it’s now getting rather difficult to conceive of any course of action that will avoid a split within Tory ranks.

    Meanwhile, the ERG continues to demonstrate their dream like grip on reality with a draft alternative Brexit plan. This involves establishing a military task force to defend the Falklands, as well as a new missile defence shield to guard against nuclear attack. This is alongside tax cuts for everyone.

    Neither of these matters are remotely connected to the process of extricating the UK from the EU, and merely add to the sense that the ERG is being led by a bunch of ex imperialists who have limited grip on reality.

    On the bright side, their ‘plan’ remains a working draft. There may be even more entertaining ideas to come yet!

  16. The Skripal affair has not had more comments since Al Urqa yesterday (12.57 am) gave a strong answer to Neil A about Craig Murray`s blog. But I feel that instead of observing incompetents dancing on a far-Right pin about Brexit, we would be better observing the actual doings of an incompetent government.

    And on Skripal and novichok, Theresa May has been totally unconvincing and clearly out to get political benefit from these tragic events.

    So today when not out doing botanical recording or choir singing, I thought I would have a look at Craig Murray`s writings. I had assumed from earlier comments on UKPR that he was an opportunistic blogger spinning appealing theories, but I find he is actually a former UK diplomat and even once an ambassador. So he has clearly competence to discuss the affair, though I feel he tends to exaggeration.

    A key fact that Murray outlines is that the assassins had at most 1hr and 15 min to smear that doorknob between the Skripal pair going out and the assassin pair reaching their house, and given the reliability of trains this was chancy.

    Then there is the very long 3 months between this March smearing, and the bottle turning up in the Salisbury charity shop. Why no attempted explanation by the government, or any press inquiries on the habitual doings of charity shops.

    Andrew111 suggested earlier, probably in a previous thread, that there could be two doctored perfume bottles. This seems a real possibility to me, and I go further in suggesting a more-recent assassination attempt on some Wiltshire resident whose death could benefit Russia or some neighbouring country or citizens of these countries with evil intent.

  17. A silly error – paragraph should read:

    A key fact that Murray outlines is that the assassins had at most 1hr and 15 min to smear that doorknob between the pair reaching the Skripal house and the Skripal pair returning after going out, and given the reliability of trains this was chancy.

  18. @ DANNY – So your worried about CON to declare first for Remain, think EU is more democratic than UK and the far-lefty “gaming” the 3quid membership to get the absolute boy as LAB leader makes him a successful politician!

    I’m assuming your joking on all the above?

  19. @Davwel – everyone loves a good conspiracy theory, but really – the kremlin does have hundreds of people doing this stuff already – they don’t need any help from us.

  20. @ ALEC – thanks for the summary of the Guardian article but it is free on the internet so we can read it ourselves!

    If you want the draft Brexit plan that DD proposed then it was “leaked” on ConHome back in July’18 and easily found using google search (please send Alastair Campbell a copy!)

    The reason the broader plan is “Work In Progress” is primarily to allow May to choice this option herself. It is very much a case of begging her to Chuck Chequers and take the carrot for herself while beating her with the Boris stick – but she is one stubborn donkey!!

    The secondary issue is NI “backstop”. Some rumours around on that but it should be fairly obvious timing is an issue regarding any announcement.

    Lastly, I would guess they are planning the when and the how of releasing more info. Little nuggets of tax cuts, pay rises for nurses, etc to start the soft campaigning. It is not all about the deal we want with the EU, it is also about a Project After plan for UK. Sadly I do expect some “tub thumping” rubbish in with the important bits.

    Anyway, we’ll see soon enuf! Did you have anything to say on economic news from today or the rumours EU Council will “tweak” Barnier’s mandate? Maybe that news wasn’t in the Guardian?

  21. Alec,
    “Steve Baker is warning of a ‘catastrophic split’ in the Conservative Party”

    As i keep saying, why catastrophic?

    Seems simple to me: BBC website has the story, says up to 80 tory MPs might oppose chequers in parliament. So…what?

    Chequers falls, unless labour support it. If labour support it, then it becomes their plan too and they take the blame away from torys who supported it, should any leavers be upset by it going through. Labour gets the blame from any remainers who dont like it (probably many).

    Labour opposes it, the 80 become heroes of the hard leave faction. Chequers falls.

    What next? no deal, or remain. Maybe 80 tories also defect in support of remain. Labour supports or doesnt. If it supports, then remain goes through on labour votes, not the fault of the tory party, just the 80 or so MPs in remainy tory constituencies who are safe anyway because thats what their voters wanted. Tory rebels try to get the support of as many remainers as they can returning to the tory party, while the rest tell their leavers that they tried their best and will continue the fight.

    I really dont see why the tory party as such should split at all. The disagreement is containable to the single issue of Brexit, which does not affect day to day government. A split over the one issue of Brexit is capable of getting the party off the hook of having promised to deliver brexit but not doing so.

  22. Trevor Warne,
    “@ DANNY – So your worried about CON to declare first for Remain, think EU is more democratic than UK and the far-lefty “gaming” the 3quid membership to get the absolute boy as LAB leader makes him a successful politician!

    I’m assuming your joking on all the above?”

    Not at all Trevor. I asked if you could explain why you believe the EU is less democratic than the UK, and all you can reply is you think I am joking when I ask the question?

  23. Alec

    I am surprised you think the Tory government was competent rather than desperate, in planting this story in the DTel

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/15/suitcase-spy-poisoning-plot-nerve-agent-planted-luggage-sergei/

    “”The nerve agent that poisoned the Russian spy Sergei Skripal was planted in his daughter’s suitcase before she left Moscow, intelligence agencies now believe.

    Senior sources have told the Telegraph they are convinced the Novichok nerve agent was hidden in the luggage of Yulia Skripal, the double agent’s 33-year-old daughter.

    They are working on the theory that the toxin was impregnated in an item of clothing or cosmetics or else in a gift that was opened in his house in Salisbury, meaning Miss Skripal was deliberately targeted to get at her father.””

    Why the rush to put out a half-baked story, now totally discredited, if not for political gain by a desperate government?

  24. @ JAMES B – 2014 EP elections (%, seats)

    You seem unable or unwilling to see what is happening across Europe so since you mentioned EP I thought I’d run the numbers for you.

    Be careful what you wish for!!

    Nationwide parties
    UKIP 26.6%, 24 (+11)
    LAB 24.4%, 20 (+7)
    CON 23.1%, 19 (-7)
    Green 6.9%, 3 (+1)
    LD 6.6%, 1 (-10)
    BNP 1.1%, 0 (-2)

    Nationalist
    SNP 2.4%, 2 (uc)
    SF 1%, 1 (uc)
    DUP 0.8%, 1 (uc)
    UUP 0.5%, 1 (+1)
    PC 0.7%, 1 (uc)

    If that had been the result in a UK GE what coalition do you think we’d have had?

    Total seats = 73, so 37 to form a govt.

    CON+UKIP = 43

    LAB+Green+LD+SNP+SF+PC = 28

    At no point have I said FPTP is better than a non-FPTP system (please suggest appropriate group noun). I just don’t see the need to change our current system and think several other issues are vastly more important.

    I’m very happy to admit that the two “broad churches” in UK system is currently not looking great for either of them and I’m also very happy to admit I don’t understand the finer points of non-FPTP systems (due to doubting they will ever apply to Westminster and frankly not enough time or interest to be bothered to read up on the differences)

  25. @ DANNY – try following links, random 30secs on google:

    https://labourlist.org/tag/democratic-deficit/

    if you want something form yer boy Jezza:
    “Jeremy Corbyn voted against the Maastricht treaty in 1993, he declared it was because the EU had handed control to “an unelected set of bankers”. More recently the Labour leader has said the EU has “always suffered from a serious democratic deficit””
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/13/is-the-eu-undemocratic-referendum-reality-check

    I do sometimes seriously wonder if those backing Corbyn-LAB understand what their boy is about, or what the EU is about for that matter!

    Backing Remain might end up being a LAB policy but like a lot of the 2017 manifesto it will not be a Corbyn policy!

  26. Britain Elects
    ?

    @britainelects
    56m
    56 minutes ago

    More
    London Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 48% (-7)
    CON: 26% (-7)
    LDEM: 15% (+6)
    GRN: 5% (+3)
    UKIP: 4% (+3)

    via @YouGov, 03 – 07 Sep
    h/t @MileEndInst

    Chgs. w/ 2017 election result.

    this seems a bit odd.

  27. TW: “Backing Remain might end up being a LAB policy but like a lot of the 2017 manifesto it will not be a Corbyn policy!”

    Of course, we don’t have a presidential system in Britain, we vote for parties which form a parliament. Makes sense in that case to have a manifesto which is broadly representative of the party as a whole, rather than have the entire thing written by a single ginger-bearded SpAd like the Conservatives’ was.

  28. So UKIP is not a “nationalist” party? Amazing. And even the British nationalist parties (Tories, Labour and Lib Dems) are ‘nationwide” even when they effectively don’t stand in one part of the “nation”.

  29. I know it’s London only but a 6.5% swing to LD from both main parties?

  30. Davwel

    Why is it people would rather believe any conspiracy theory ,other than believe the conclusion of months of detective work by the police and security services.
    Even the link you posted ,took place within days of the actual poisoning when investigations had only just started and speculation was at fever pitch.
    As I posted a few days ago belief in Politics and institutions for some have lost credibility,unless of course it comes from a political party they support and in its place comes a disbelief in common sense and an embracement of the fantasy and conspiratorial.

  31. @ BazInWales

    Post in moderation for no reason I can work out, unless it’s because I’m in Poland on a suspicious network.

    So, briefly, GE has FPTP, polls don’t. Perhaps that’s the reason.

  32. Good afternoon all from a warm and sunny Central London.

    AW

    “– obviously given the closeness of fieldwork those changes are more likely to be noise than a sudden surge in Lib Dem support within a matter of days!”

    ” Worth noting is that all three have the Liberal Democrats sneaking up into double figures, something that does seem to be part of a wider trend of the Liberal Democrats very gradually starting to recover support”
    _____________

    Poor ol Vince will be getting confused whether to get out of bed or not. You’re sending him mixed signals.

    Personally I wouldn’t get out of bed unless VI showed above 15% for the Lib/Dems but for now they are shuffling just into double figures and seem totally inept in capturing disgruntled re moaners.

    Vince has done his duty for the Lib/Dems and has been a great public servant but it’s time for him to take up the Bingo and finish off the Sudoku and make way for young blood….Menzies Campbell anyone?

  33. Ah, found it. To repeat.

    As always, probably shouldn’t read too much into it, but maybe the polling VI gets closer to the party that people actually want to vote for, while the GE is ‘real’ but distorted by FPTP. That is, the 15% is closer to the real level of support for LibDem, but fewer people voted that way in a constituency where they stood no chance. Similarly for Green and UKIP.

  34. @TW
    I’m not sure “because Jeremy Corbyn once said so” is any sort of answer to @DANNY’s question of why you believe this. It’s not much of an answer even if you’re Jeremy Corbyn. It’s no answer at all if you aren’t.

    Which bits of the EU do you have in mind as the root of it’s inferiority to the U.K. system? The lack of a hereditary head if state? The absence of a second unelected chamber in the EP?

  35. TRIGGUY
    @ BazInWales

    “Post in moderation for no reason I can work out, unless it’s because I’m in Poland on a suspicious network”
    ___________

    Yeah I try not to post on UKPR when I’m out of the country. I was in Moscow for a few days during the World Cup and tried to post on UKPR and accidentally caused a crash on the NHS computer systems.

  36. Trevor warne,

    I ask again, what can you identify about the eu which substantiates your claim it is less democratic than the uk?

    I am quite surprised if you truly believe this to be the case because you accept the statements of jeremy corbyn.

    I would suggest you explain how you feel the eu parliament is less fairly representative than the UK one. or maybe how you think the eu council appointees do not fairly represent their nations. or maybe how the commissioners are less representatives of each country than are equivalent UK civil servants?

    and then discuss how you feel Scotland’s voice as a member nation of the UK has more weight than Belgium within the eu, when it comes to changing the constitutional rules and governing laws of the union?

  37. The headline figures for the YouGov London poll don’t seem implausible, but it’s rather odd to quote changes from the GE when there have been three YouGov/QMUL[1] polls since then:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#London

    and it’s usual to map poll changes to the most recent, even if it means the changes would be less dramatic:

    LAB: 48% (-4)
    CON: 26% (-5)
    LDEM: 15% (+5)
    GRN: 5% (+2)
    UKIP: 4% (+2)

    26% isn’t good for the Conservatives – they never dropped below 30% in the last Parliament and have only been that low as far back as 2014 in a rather rogue looking Survation which had UKIP at 15%. There’s no sign of any other details as yet – either on YouGov or the Mile End lot.

    [1] It’s an interesting light on how modern media work that no London paper (especially the Standard) seems to have commissioned a London VI poll since the election and it’s now left to a University. I suppose you could say that George Osborne is merely displaying his usual casual disregard for data.

  38. TREVOR WARNE

    As usual totally missing the big picture and focussing on minor details

    Pot calling the kettle black again, it would seem.

    How can the plurality system be called democratic when the governing party has no majority of the popular vote?

    The worst recent case was in 1951 when the popular vote was, on an 82.6% turnout:

    Lab 48.78% Con 47.97% Lib 2.55% Others 0.71%

    The result in seats was:

    Con 321 Lab 295 Lib 4, Irish Lab 1

    In what, if any, sense was that democratic?

  39. BazinWales,

    CMJ’s analysis has the Lib Dems up about 3.5% nationally since the General Election. (using YouGov polls like this London one)

    Being up 6% in ultra-Remainy London does not seem outlandish. Probably they are up <3.5% in other places…

    Look at the swing in Lewisham East… I have no doubt the Lib Dems get mentioned by the media a lot more in London (3 MPs) than in Yorkshire (zero MPs)

  40. @ HIRETON – thanks, I won a fiver!

    @ POLLTROLL – LAB manifesto was much better than CON and they did a much much better job of selling it – actually making an effort to sell it being the key part!!

    The polls moved quickly after the announcement of both. May was greedy with her 20pt lead: she forgot her promise to the JAMs and gave a core voting group the triple punch!

    Instead of learning some lessons May seems to have gone for an even more “presidential” style since the Mayb0tch GE – one stubborn donkey!

    Speaking of manifestos what ever happened to the LAB Brexit White Paper? CON have a fully published one (which is dead) and another which was released in draft back in July (which might work) – still nothing from the official govt in waiting?

  41. TURK

    I have faith in our police and security forces, however it’s the interpretation of the facts from governments I take with a large pinch of salt.

    The novichok poisoning IMO was either a result of a rogue element of the Russian security forces out to get Putin and the UK government knows this but for geopolitical reasons they are blaming Putin anyway or it could be Putin is sending out a powerful message to other Russians working for the British security forces against Russia that you can run but you can’t hide.

  42. Someone – apologies but I forget who – posted on these threads a while ago, a journalist’s take on the Swiss border not being a big deal. That seemed to have been a take on the main motorway border at Geneva.

    Yesterday, Sky News published a rather more considered article on the topic:
    Brexit Forensics: How do you solve a problem like the borders?

    It is a better researched article on the main German A5 motorway and its connection to the Swiss A2 motorway, and well worth a read for anyone unused to Schengen borders between EU and EEA states.

  43. Re: London poll, i don’t think its that much of a surprise to see the Lib Dems doing that well based on subsamples of recent Yougov national polls (although i know they are just subsamples and they often don’t seem to find enough people).

  44. “”As recently as last week Mr Adoboli participated in a residential Special Forces Leadership Programme at the invitation of the British Army, which he received clearance from the Home Office to attend.

    We find it incredible that the UK Government would see fit to have Mr Adoboli assist with the training of junior officers, make use of his expertise and then pursue his deportation from the country.””

    38 Degrees are reporting that Mr Adoboli has now been arrested and will be deported imminently.

    Why ever is the deportation of Scottish people in the hands of the Home Office. Mr Adoboli has not lived in Ghana since he was four.

    Cruel is hardly a suitable word to describe this Hard-Right Tory government.

  45. TRIGGUY

    Post in moderation for no reason I can work out

    FWIW, I get this regularly, and have one in moderation myself, with the correction made and showing in the revised post.

    Mostly, I find it’s the word L-I-A-R tucked away in a longer word, which is the case in the post in question: unfami**** now replaced with “unused” and showing above.

  46. @ VARIOUS – My issue is with the EC not the rubber stampers and foot draggers in EP or even who is currently primus inter pares in the EU Council. I don’t expect to win this argument with Remainers – did that in Jun’16 (sorry had to do it!)

    I’d also add that “taking back control” means we can no longer blame the EU. HMG will have to take responsibility and hence be more accountable – govt in my opinion should be held accountable to their electorate. Sadly May doesn’t understand that perhaps!

    @ BZ – “The worst recent case was in 1951”

    Great to see Remainers have found there sense of humour!

    I’m not supporting FPTP but try Corbyn if you want to change it.

    “Vote stacking” is an issue in many different systems (FPTP in UK, EP in UK, etc). If you have a “regional” component or a seat level component you’ll “distort” the results. This is part of the problem of changing the system – which one do you want to replace it with? No system is perfect and the grass always looks greener!

    Taking 2017 GE, under PR with a 5% threshold, no regional component [I’m sure HIRETON will object to how that is worded] the following would have happened (%, seats, change from FPTP)

    SNP 3%, 0 (-35)
    Green 1.6%, 0 (-1)
    DUP 0.9%, 0 (-10)
    SF 0.7%, 0 (-7)
    PC 0.5%, 0 (-4)

    That would then be 57 seats to reallocate between the parties above the 5% threshold and resulting in something like:

    CON 306
    LAB 290
    LDEM 54

    Wow, those what would want it are LDEM so they could have provided C+S to LAB on the condition he stopped Brexit!

    An extreme example for sure but seriously if you want to change it speak to Corbyn or ensure Gina Miller or whoever leads LDEM into next GE makes it a condition of providing C+S to Corbyn – my guess is he’d much prefer LDEM to SNP (should he have the option of one rather than both)

    It’s not a priority for me but if you wanna keep bashing me for something I’m not interested in and have already admitted I don’t understand in the depth then fine. Build a time machine while your at it ;)

  47. @ BZ

    “Mostly, I find it’s the word L-I-A-R”

    You’re quite right, it was, but I had trouble spotting it because it was a word which, when spelt correctly, doesn’t contain that particular combination. Sadly, my spelling was deficient in a very unfortunate way. I blame the strong coffee.

  48. George Osborne (editor of the free London Evening Standard) does also seem to working for the LDEM party.

    Maybe making a move to fill the upcoming leader vacancy? ;)

  49. Turk @ 2.16 pm

    Not believing in conspiracy theories is my standard way. But so many obstacles to common sense have been put up by the Tory government re the Skripals, that it is they who should be accused of conspiracy.

    Besides our previous Hard-Right Tory PM has form in blaming the Russians for our own faults and using unfortunate events as a means of criticising them.

    When Chernobyl blew up and we began to worry about radioactivity spreading to the UK, scientists went out to check on vegetation at several hundreds of sites across Britain. Then when high radioactivity was found on fells in Cumbria, and also in Galloway and Snowdonia, and the elements were realised as having been deposited from the earlier fires at Calder Hall/Sellafield, we public servants were told to lie by Margaret Thatcher about the source.

    This could have fooled people about our fells and mountain pastures, but it would have needed a timely cloudburst over the Ravenglass estuary and Silloth harbour, with the clouds coming straight from Eastern Europe, to explain the high radioactivity found; this had obviously resulted from Sellafield pollution being washed down rivers and also into the Irish Sea. It could never have developed just 4 weeks after Chernobyl.

    The Tory lies used to try to convince the Republic of Ireland government that radioactivity in the Irish Sea was not a problem, may well have a continuing legacy causing RoI distrust in Tory governments.

  50. @Turk

    “Why is it people would rather believe any conspiracy theory ,other than believe the conclusion of months of detective work by the police and security services.“

    ——

    Obviously there may be some who just love a good conspiracy theory.

    But even without that, it can just be a case of maintaining a healthy cynicism, keeping ones mind open etc.

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