August is normally a quiet time for polling – partly because the political agenda is often quite bare, partly because both pollsters themselves and the journalists who normally commission public polls will likely be taking their holidays (There’s also a question to be asked about sampling when a fair chunk of the country will be on its holidays, though personally I suspect that doesn’t actually make a difference once it’s spread over a month). It means polling in late August was very light, with only the regular YouGov/Times poll, which was published on Friday and had topline figures of CON 39%(-1), LAB 37%(nc), LDEM 10%(+1), UKIP 5%(-1).

Parliament returns next week, and hopefully a busier political agenda will be equally reflected in some more interesting polling.


361 Responses to “YouGov/Times – CON 39, LAB 37, LDEM 10, UKIP 5”

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  1. Allan Christie

    “Who’s anti Russian? ”

    My US daughter in law has a Russian Auntie – does that count?

    Incidentally, has anyone else seen those remarkable photos released by the Met Police which appear to show both the Russian agents at exactly the same place in Gatwick at exactly the same second, but each is all alone?

  2. ON – I normally can’t be bothered to respond, for reasons many posters will understand, but will this time by acknowledging that whilst the former Slab leaders equivocation over Unionist v Non-Conservatives could well have affected votes in Scotland at the GE the, arguably, premature suggestions of an early indy ref 2 from the SNP might have had an influence as well.

  3. @Oldnat.

    If you mean the ones on the BBC website I don’t see any clock / timer on the images to indicate they are at exactly the same second? Do you have a link?

  4. OLDNAT

    Allan Christie

    “Who’s anti Russian? ”
    ……
    “My US daughter in law has a Russian Auntie – does that count?”
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    Haha :-) :-)

    On those ” remarkable photos released by the Met Police” I said exactly the same thing to my other half.

    I smell a rat over the whole novichok poisoning saga and where I’m convinced it was Russians who carried out the poisonings, I don’t buy the idea the Kremlin authorised it because they could had bumped the guy off when he was in prison in Russia for 5 years.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if rogue elements of the KGB were trying to stir up a diplomatic spat between Russia and the UK to get at Putin and the UK knows this but for geopolitical reasons they are blaming Putin.

    Anyway, our own security forces have form apparently when bumping peeps off…ol Robin Cook and the one my Scottish Granny brings up from time to time, the late SNP activist Willie MacRae .

  5. NEIL A
    @Oldnat.

    If you mean the ones on the BBC website I don’t see any clock / timer on the images to indicate they are at exactly the same second? Do you have a link
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    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/the-impossible-photo/comment-page-2/

  6. Thanks Allan,

    It appears to me the answer is in the comments section. The two images are not from the same camera.

    I do wonder if there’s any way to convince some people on this case. Minds have been made up it seems.

    I do hope you were joking about the attack on the Skripals being a good thing by the way. If the balance of power was different, and nuclear weapons didn’t exist, it would be an act of war.

  7. NEIL A

    As with anything on the internet you need to do your own digging to authenticate information, however I do smell a rat over the whole poisoning affair and unfortunately innocent people have been caught up in the messy World of the black ops.
    ….
    “I do hope you were joking about the attack on the Skripals being a good thing by the way. If the balance of power was different, and nuclear weapons didn’t exist, it would be an act of war”
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    You’re misinterpreting what I said….I was referring to Sergei Skripal and him only when I said he got what he deserved as is the case with anyone spying on behalf of the Russians against the UK I would hope that they would get bumped off.

    “If the balance of power was different, and nuclear weapons didn’t exist, it would be an act of war”
    __________

    Then one can clearly see why Nukes are the ultimate security ticket. That aside, I don’t think we would stand a chance against Russia even in a conventional conflict..

  8. “”we will conclude that this action amounts to an unlawful use of force by the Russian State against the United Kingdom.””

    This sentence in Theresa May`s statement makes me think that she is gradually admitting that the Skripals were now working for the UK.

    That there are claims that the pictures have apparently been doctored is bound to bring more suspicions and digging into the whole sad affair, and quite likely someone will produce pictures of links between Porton Down and the Skripals.

  9. @Davwel,

    Eh? How do you get to the Skripals working for the UK?

    Is the murder of a UK national and the attempted murder of two more, including a police officer, not the unlawful use of force against the United Kingdom?

    The pictures haven’t been doctored. It’s just the Russian troll factory at work, aided by their usual Useful Idiots. I find it vanishingly unlikely that anyone (apart from maybe someone in Russia with photoshop) will produce any pictures of links between Skripal and Porton Down. He’s not a chemical weapons expert. He’s a retired spy.

    @Allan

    I agree we couldn’t beat the Russians in any kind of conflict. We managed to fight them to a standstill in the 19th century only with the help of several other nations. That’s what I meant by “the balance of power”. People generally only declare wars that they can win. I agree that Nukes are the ultimate security ticket. That’s what they’re for. Taking war off the list of options.

    My point is that if a country attacked a similar sized country in the way that Russia has attacked us, and both sides didn’t have nukes, this would have been likely to result in war. It certainly would if one of Russia’s neighbours had done it to them.

    As to whether Skripal deserved to be murdered, well that rather brings us back to our previous discussion about patriotism and nationalism. If the UK suffered a coup led by Boris, supported by Rupert Murdoch, and was living under a regime where opponents at home and abroad were routinely intimidated and killed, would it be “unpatriotic” for someone like me to start working for the intelligence agencies of a “decent” country (say, Ireland or Denmark?)

    Russia’s government is loathesome. Working against it doesn’t seem to me to deserve anything greater than Skripal had already suffered (four years in jail). If that.

  10. “I do wonder if there’s any way to convince some people on this case. Minds have been made up it seems.”
    @Neil A September 5th, 2018 at 10:52 pm

    These Russians are very clever. The Beeb says the two guys named are not using their real names but aliases. That’s sneaky of them. But they can’t be that clever, because they should be using a passport of a different country, shirley?

    They come into our country with the aim of killing an old Russian spy (and his daughter). They bring in a super-duper techy poison, which can only be made using government resources, we are told, but fail to kill either of them. They are seen leaving the airport (those pictures with the same timestamps are those non-reversible doors you go through (‘Once you have passed here you cannot go back’-doors). A choke point. But these guys are clever, sneaky, they don’t wave at the cameras.

    They do their thing and fly back to Russia — presumably on direct flights again to help us know they are Russian.

    It’s a good job they didn’t pay some criminal or other in the UK to do their dirty work for them. After all, I understand there are a few black kids in the capital with big-ish knives who have some experience with death. They might have killed the pair.

    Ye gods these Russians are incredibly incompetent! We clearly have nothing to fear from Russia.

    Yeah, I believe it.

  11. @Al Urqa

    I feel privileged to converse with such an expert on military intelligence techniques….

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