The irony which none of the news stories have mentioned is that Justin was a member of the Labour party for a period during the early Blair years….to my knowledge he has never belonged to the Lib Dems. I don’t see why it was his business to butt into Hornsey & Wood Green given that his official capacity is (was) in Tottenham – I suspect that will prompt the party to react quite harshly

Given that most Tory voters in Hornsey & Wood Green probably have a university degree it’s debatable whether they needed to be informed about tactical voting to stop Labour winning the seat.

MrNameless – that’s true. Labour expelled many members in Liverpool who supported rival candidates. Indeed, until around a decade ago, I’m told Labour even expelled a few who didn’t vote in the local elections.

Expulsion of ordinary Conservative members is extremely unusual. Many routinely support UKIP in euro elections quite openly without any consequences – this tolerance goes back a long way and is partly because the Tories have traditionally been association based with little central power. I recall when I was an association officer in Beckenham many local members refused to vote for Steve Norris and some even voted for Livingstone instead.

don’t know what Justin was thinking of. It seems bizarre…he’s a smart guy.

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If Jim Murphy is defeated in East Renfrewshire how likely is it that he would put himself forward and be selected as Labour candidate for Mayor of London?

Prediction:

1. Lab
2. Cons
3. Greens
4. TUSC
5. LD
6. UKIP
7. Peace

Almost 100 Conservative posters up across Tottenham. As you would expect, quite a few Labour. TUSC flying posting everywhere (inc the inside of telephone booths). One or two Green posters. Not seen a single UKIP or LD poster here. The Peace candidate states she’s doing her A-Levels. Wonder if she’s actually 21?

Justin

Did they kick you out of the party in the end….or are you just still suspended? Seems that Featherstone is likely to lose despite your intervention so was it worth ruining your chairmanship for?

Anyone putting up a Tory poster in Tottenham is brave indeed…it’s as likely to attract a brick through the window as a poster saying “paedophile lives here”.

I am still suspended. Have no regrets, and would do it all over again.

That’s an outrageous comparison. Never known a brick to go through a window supporting a party, least of all here in Tottenham. You might want to delete that ‘contribution’ which is wrong and offensive. @TottenhamTories (on Twitter) have been photographing their posters and tweeting them

From the fastness of his rural idyll in Sussex, Hemmelig imagines Tottenham to be a suburb of LA overrun by the Cripps gang.

Really? That where he live? Unbelievable.

LOL. I think you’re falling for James’s sarcasm Justin. Why is it “unbelievable” that a Tory inclined person would live in Sussex. It is also scarcely believable that you could put up Tory posters all over Broadwater Farm and the like without getting some serious hostility. If that’s what you’re saying I just don’t believe you.

You must have known the likely reaction to your letter even though everything in it was essentially correct.

Broadwater Farm comes under the West Green Ward. In last year’s council elections, two of the three Tories from that ward lived on the Farm. And, yes, there are poster up on Broadwater Farm (3),

Yes, I did. So, too, did Tim Montgomery when he endorsed Clegg (for Hallam) in his Times column. Coalition – which is here to stay – leads to that. Time for PR to end wasted votes.

You’re a brave guy, but not cut out for politics (that’s probably a compliment).

I agree with you on PR, as it happens.

I am looking for seats that were help by Labour in 1935 but by the Conservatives in 1983. There are remarkably few. However, this seat was gained by Labour in 1935 and lost by htem to the Conservatives in 1983.

Does anybody know of other seats with a similar electoral history?

It is interesting to see that whilst this seat has changed drastically in character over the years, more than once, the actual consitutency has existed since 1918.

Tottenham had a Labour majority of 9396 in 1983.

Frederic: Dewsbury is one example. It had a Lab maj of 5,268 in 1935 and Con maj of 2,086 in 1983.

David Lammy ws on the radio today advocating name-blind applications to universitities. I wouldn’t disagree with him over that. However, he seemed to overlook the point that it is now poor white working class males who are most disadvantaged when it comes to university applications.

In my opinion, Lammy’s whole orientation was London specific. For instance, most poor people outside London do not live in tower blocks but in run-down inner-city areas and sink ex-council estates.

Labour will have to do better at advocating improvements for the whole nation if they are to win in 2020. Lammy does not seem the person to help lead them in that direction.

A London politician failing to understand life beyond London- what a surprise.

As to Frederic’s query the West Riding division of Keighley would be another example of a seat held or won by Labour in 1935 but lost to the Conservatives in 1983.

Bristol East is another example- held comfortably enough by Sir Stafford Cripps in 1935 and famously lost by Tony Benn in 1983 though I suspect the boundaries were rather different.

Nelson and Colne would probably count as another example- a Labour gain in 1935, but Conservative in 1983 in the new form of Pendle. Although Pendle’s boundaries friendlier to the Tories than Nelson and Colne’s were the Conservatives would still have won Nelson and Colne in 1983, as indeed they did in 1979.

Lammy has been fined £5,000 by the ICO for his team’s spam calls promoting his failed London Mayoral candidacy bid.

Whatever happened to Justin, here?

Citing Tim M probably won’t help – as he isn’t a Tory Party member now either. I wonder if some of them will re-join now Cameron has resigned.

Airheads like Lammy still don;t get it, do they?

FWIW I’m hearing through quite a few sources that a very large (how large is anyone’s guess) number of Leave voters already regret the decision. Splitting into three categories they are…

Those that voted Leave, didn’t think the economic consequences would be so severe and now regret it (these folks will probably calm down if the current shocks are just a blip)

Those who voted Leave as a protest for one of many reasons, didn’t actually think it would happen and as soon as they woke up to the result regretted it.

Those that voted Leave based on some of the claims made by the Leave camp which have now totally unravelled (for example Farage’s admission re the 350 million for the NHS claim or Hannan’s admission on immigration) feel totally duped and now regret voting he way they did.

Coupled with the Parliament petition to re-run the referendum garnering more than 2 million signatures and rapidly rising (by far the most popular in the sites history) this all has the making of one unholy mess and frankly Leave have only got themselves to blame. Farage himself said if it was 52% for Remain it wouldn’t be the end of the issue but he expects 52% for Leave to settle things?

Who can guess how this will play out…

Rivers10 – I think Remain voters problem is most say they don’t know anyone who voted Leave.

Maxim
No who doesn’t what?

Lancs Observer
Well personally I don’t know any Remain supporter who has said that (although undoubtedly some have especially in London) I don’t think anyone’s saying the result was rigged I think the issue is Leave ran the campaign on several key platforms and they U turned on most as soon as the results started rolling in. This is a sure fire way to make a lot of angry and frustrated people even angrier.

As for the closeness of the result this is what really irks me and many others. Had it been the other way round we know full well Leave would have carried on going about the issue (many figures from the Leave camp admitted as such) and they certainly would have got concessions to try and appease them. But we the Remain side are expected to just role over and let the Leave camp tear apart what we believe in cos of their narrow victory? No a single concession for us? It doesn’t wash by many people.

I know people who voted leave and I know people who voted to remain.

Rivers10 – what concession would you like?

Well personally I would like some watertight guaranties to preserve some of the “red tape” that’s supposedly heading for a bonfire like the working time directive, guarantied maternity pay, union rights and remaining bound by the European convention on human rights.

I can’t see a majority for any of those changes in the Commons. I’m surprised you believed our own Party’s hype. A bit like ’24 hrs to save the NHS’ in 1992, 2005, 2010 and 2015.

Lans Observer
There may not be support for it yet but if the new Tory leader has a honeymoon period and they hold a snap election I believe an increased Con majority is likely with a lot of moderate Tory MP’s (like Soubry being discussed on the Broxtowe thread) bowing out. This would leave a more right wing Tory party free to in some parts water down in other parts totally abolish some of the above regulations.

But this is beyond the point, for many of us the EU was a safety net, however bad things got our government could only go so far cos EU law stopped them going any further. That’s very likely gone now, we may not lose these rights this parliament or the next parliament or ever even but the risk will always be there hanging over our heads given that there is nothing enshrining it.

Yep, we’ll have you eating grass soon

Brave of Lammy to set himself against more than 17 million voters.

David Lammy might be safe to vote again EU exit in Parliament. However his colleagues in the northern parts of England and in Wales would be guaranteeing a Scottish style defeat if they did so. Could the Labour MP for, say, Doncaster vote against 70% of his constituents after the referendum?

But one presumes that prominent Leave MP Kaye Hoey representing Vauxhall (Lambeth 79% Remain) is all fine and dandy voting for Brexit…

Do you suppose Lammy knows where Doncaster is?

Of course he does

GT: what about Tory MPs? Must be tricky for Matt Warman, who stuck his flag in the remain camp, but whose local area Boston broke 76% for leave. At the other end of the scale is Zac Goldsmith, son of the founder of the Referendum Party, while Richmond-upon-Thames went 69% for remain.

lots of Remain Tories will now magically become leavers

Do you think Corbyn can survive?

I hear the vote of no confidence letter is gathering pace. Is it just 50 MPs they need?

Only if things calm down, if Brexit turns out to be as colossal a mistake as it looks like it is I imagine the opposite, many Brexiters will suddenly declare themselves as long standing supporters of the EU.

just to remind everyone aboit Lammy’s intellectual capacity

Q ‘who succeeded Henry VIII’

A ‘Henry VII’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsR4Nx-ELgc

But surely if Brexit turns out to be a huge mistake it puts Corbyn in even more jeopardy than if it turns out to be a success. The main reason given to topple him at the moment is he was only lukewarm for remain and completely failed to convinced Labour WWC strongholds in the north to back remain, in fact there was a unprecedented turnout of them for leave. I do think this is unfair to blame him though as anyone who thought he would resonate with these kind of voters was always kidding themselves…

P – I think Rivers10 was responding to Runnymede rather than my Q.

David Lammy on how he thinks parliament should reject the referendum result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jcATmvGiDQ

So it turns out David “ignore the referendum” Lammy has one of the worst attendance records for debates on Europe in parliament:

http://order-order.com/2016/08/30/mps-demanding-parliament-votes-brexit-absent-eu-debates/