Liverpool, Riverside

2015 Result:
Conservative: 4245 (9.6%)
Labour: 29835 (67.4%)
Lib Dem: 1719 (3.9%)
Green: 5372 (12.1%)
UKIP: 2510 (5.7%)
TUSC: 582 (1.3%)
MAJORITY: 24463 (55.3%)

Category: Ultra-safe Labour seat

Geography: North West, Merseyside. Part of the Liverpool council area.

Main population centres: Liverpool.

Profile: Liverpool is the once great port city of the north west, sunk deep in economic deprivation yet ever proud of its art, music and culture. As the name suggests, the Riverside seat runs along the coast of the Mersey, taking in the docklands, the city centre and the city`s two universities. Despite redevelopment of some parts of the seat the area continues to suffer from poor (and mostly rented) housing, high unemployment, deprivation and crime. There is a high student vote here, with over a fifth of the adult population in full time education..

Politics: Liverpool is dominated by the Labour party, they have easily won all the Parliamentary seats here since the abolition of the Liberal Democrat held Liverpool Mossley Hill in 1997. At a local level the Liberal Democrats have had successes, and they have advanced in many of the Parliamentary seats, but not enough to pose a serious challenge. Since the formation of the coalition Liberal Democrat strength has also evaporated at a local level, leaving Labour`s hegemony here unchallenged. As an interesting footnote, the Scotland Road area in the north of the constituency was once the heart of the Irish immigrant community and the old Liverpool Scotland seat was the only example of an Irish Nationalist MP being returned on the mainland, being represented by T.P.O`Connor for 44 years.


Current MP
LOUISE ELLMAN (Labour) Born 1945, Manchester. Educated at Manchester High School for Girls and Hull University. Former university lecturer. Lancashire county councillor 1970-1997, leader of Lancashire County council 1981-1997. Contested Darwen 1979. First elected as MP for Liverpool Riverside in 1997.
Past Results
2010
Con: 4243 (11%)
Lab: 22998 (59%)
LDem: 8825 (23%)
GRN: 1355 (3%)
Oth: 1380 (4%)
MAJ: 14173 (37%)
2005*
Con: 2843 (9%)
Lab: 17951 (58%)
LDem: 7737 (25%)
GRN: 1707 (5%)
Oth: 953 (3%)
MAJ: 10214 (33%)
2001
Con: 2142 (8%)
Lab: 18201 (71%)
LDem: 4251 (17%)
Oth: 909 (4%)
MAJ: 13950 (55%)
1997
Con: 3635 (10%)
Lab: 26858 (70%)
LDem: 5059 (13%)
Oth: 1997 (5%)
MAJ: 21799 (57%)

*There were boundary changes after 2005, name changed from Liverpool, Riverside

Demographics
2015 Candidates
JACKSON NG (Conservative) Educated at SOAS. Solicitor and political advisor.
LOUISE ELLMAN (Labour) See above.
PAUL CHILDS (Liberal Democrat) Air steward.
JOE CHIFFERS (UKIP)
MARTIN DOBSON (Green)
TONY MULHEARN (TUSC) Born 1939, Liverpool. Educated at Liverpool John Moores University. Liverpool councillor 1984-1987. Contested Crosby 1979 for Labour, Liverpool mayoral election 2012.
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Comments - 338 Responses on “Liverpool Riverside”
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  2. I’ve just spotted that the Tories have a few (counted 3 so far) Cllrs in Northern Ireland.

    I premise these are defections as I can’t see any evidence of them being elected as Conservatives. The last I think were in the 1990s in North Down.

    Cllr David Harding (Coleraine) on Causeway and the Glens Borough Council is the latest I’ve spotted and he’s standing for NI Cons in the NI Assembly elections..

    NI seems o have wards that sound like councils and yet their council names are very longwinded!

  3. Labour have yet to join the Tories and UKIP as parties contesting elections in all parts of the U.K. There are however this year eight Labour Party members standing for the NI Assembly without the consent of the party hierarchy:

    http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/04/14/news/north-s-labour-rebels-to-contest-stormont-election-485423/

    Does seem a strange half way house for Labour to allow people in NI to join the party but not to contest any elections.

  4. It no longer makes any sense. It used to be that Labour were effectively allied with the SDLP, hence the ban on Labour contesting elections, but these days the SDLP are closer to the SNP and Plaid Cymru at Westminster than to Labour. When this came up on here before somebody said it was something about both LAB and the SDLP being in the socialist international, though surely that can be got round somehow.

  5. A quick look at wiki shows several examples of more than one party in the same country being a member of the socialist international, so I don’t see how that can be a problem.

  6. “Does seem a strange half way house for Labour to allow people in NI to join the party but not to contest any elections.”

    That’s because a small group of people of a mostly unionist persuasion have lobbied persistently to be allowed to join the Labour Party. I don’t think the party should have let them join, but they did.

    The party isn’t keen for them to stand for election in my view because most Labour Party members who have thought seriously about the N Ireland issue, probably don’t think N Ireland should be in the UK in the first place, and don’t want to get involved with its politics.

    I think the Irish Labour Party should stand candidates in N Ireland, not that they would get anywhere given their recent meltdown in the Republic, but they won’t stand for exactly the same reason as the UK Labour Party, they are a sister party of the SDLP.

    Why the SDLP and Irish Labour Party can’t merge these days, I really don’t know.

  7. Surely the whole point of Labour running candidates would be to be a left of centre unionist (or at least ‘neutral’) party, which is currently lacking unless you count Alliance?

  8. IM – Ha suggesting a Party from the Republic standing in Northern Ireland is hardly comparable with suggesting a potential UK Gov’t Party should.

    Labour members in England may not like the fact that NI is part of he UK but it is a fact and enshrined in the Belfast Agreement.

    Incidentally I thought Labour had given up on all that far Left Republicanism of the ’80s before Blair when Kevin McNamara was spokesman. Or since Corbyn are they on the way back that way?

    The SDLP & Irish Labour can’t merge in the same way that the UK & French NF can’t. Different countries have different laws and the Electoral Commission only governs UK Registered Parties.

    It’s no wonder Kate Hoey moved to England if yours is the sort of welcome to the Party she received.

  9. “Incidentally I thought Labour had given up on all that far Left Republicanism of the ’80s before Blair when Kevin McNamara was spokesman. Or since Corbyn are they on the way back that way?”

    @ Lancs Observer – You are trying to read far too much into what I said.

    The fact is that even now the Labour Party still has a very significant number of members who have an historical connection to Ireland both north and Republic, who overwhelmingly come from a nationalist/catholic background. These people bring with them an acceptance the Ireland should be a united country and that the Labour Party shouldn’t be getting involved politically in the mess that they see N Ireland to be. Others like me have no such connection, but attended schools where these elements were the overwhelming proportion of the pupils, as in the 50s-70s were many of the teachers, who ensured that people like me understood the Irish perspective of this issue, not just the British one.

    There is no great campaign about this within the party, but if the issue ever arises in discussions this is the default position that many members relate to and support.

    “It’s no wonder Kate Hoey moved to England if yours is the sort of welcome to the Party she received.”

    I had no problem with Kate Hoey when part of her campaign team in the 1989 by-election, nor did the many others who would politically support the creation of a untied Ireland, who you found then and probably still find today in most Inner London Labour Parties. You always found recent Irish immigrants in them, but finding a unionist from N Ireland was very rare indeed, perhaps because far less of them seem to emigrate to England.

    Indeed Kate Hoey had not that long before been a member of a Left organisation that supported the Troops Out Movement. How that squared with some of her other positions I don’t and didn’t know, and didn’t really care, so long as she did a good job as MP for Vauxhall.

  10. “The fact is that even now the Labour Party still has a very significant number of members who have an historical connection to Ireland both north and Republic, who overwhelmingly come from a nationalist/catholic background. These people bring with them an acceptance the Ireland should be a united country and that the Labour Party shouldn’t be getting involved politically in the mess that they see N Ireland to be.”

    What a pile of revisionist horseshit.

    Tony Blair and Mo Mowlem negotiated and signed the Good Friday Agreement. They “got involved politically in the mess of Northern Ireland” more than any other politicians since the 1970s. As Lancs says, the agreement guarantees NI’s constitutional position as part of the UK until the people of NI vote otherwise in a referendum.

    Trying to pretend that Labour has always been a party of Corbynite republicanism is nonsense.

  11. IM – Oh I understand that vast swathes of Labour members and Cllrs were educated in RC schools when that Church had a stranglehold in parts of Merseyside and Glasgow etc.

    But it doesn’t make what they were taught factual. Although you’re right in that Irish grievance tends to come not from the Irish in England, but from 3rd generation wannabee Irish (Plastic Paddys as the Orange side might call them).

    It reminds me of Jimmy McGovern, who said until he was 12 he thought everyone was Catholic and he was amazed to find that only 10% of the UK are!

    Labour has an Irish Society (and MPs such as Kate Green, Conor McGinn and has a disproportionate number from that RC background given the poorest urban wards tend to be both) and has always had a fringe element who flirt with Sinn Fein, but that’s certainly not the view of the majority of Labour.

  12. There’s a thick seam of Plastic Paddys across inner north London – Islington, Haringey, Camden and Kilburn – and of course this is Corbyn’s backyard. But we also need to remember people like Roy Mason are steeped in the Labour tradition.

  13. Very true.

    Plus Adam Ingram was an Orangemen and I met an Orange Labour member in Liverpool.

    Mandelson said he felt as Secretary of State that he should speak up for the majority in NI as neither the Govt or Irish Govt did so.

  14. 58-42 Liverpool.

  15. *Remain

  16. Well this was one of my few consolation prizes that my own patch Liverpool voted comfortably for Remain though not as strongly as I would have liked.

    Also pleased that Sefton and the Wirral went for Remain too but by nowhere near the margins I would have liked.

    Dreadfully disappointed about Knowlsey narrowly going for Leave but I suppose given the nights results that wasn’t terrible. I read somewhere that demographically it should have been lean Leaving thus given the nights results the narrowness was something. There was clearly something of a Merseyside effect in action.

  17. Sadly there are no consolation prizes. The 48% of us who didn’t vote for this will be no more insulated from its impact than the 52% who did.

  18. HH
    That is sadly true but I at least my city (which to be fair has been quite unfairly smeared for decades) can hold its head high knowing that we didn’t cave into the fear mongering and lies from Leave.

    Also somebody jokingly mentioned on here that they were going to do this but I have already bought online a T shirt emblazoned with the slogan “Don’t blame me, I voted to Remain”

  19. To my immense surprise, my district voted Remain as well.

    Liverpool must have had a sizeable WWC Remain vote – unusual compared with other places.

  20. I always imagined the students and middles classes would tip it for Remain in Liverpool but I think your right that to het the result we did the council estates here must have been vastly more Remain inclined than average for England.

    As I said almost certainly a Merseyside effect. I have to be honest its weird living here how totally detached from the rest of the country we seem. Many of the things discussed on this site are just not applicable on Merseyside. Labour losing support amongst the WWC nationwide, while here on Merseyside their seemingly more worshipped than ever amongst the WWC, a total hatred and I mean HATRED of the Tories amongst other things.

    Out of interest what district are you in?

  21. Mid Sussex

  22. Given the way the night went that was indeed a surprising result although it has to be said I think we all vastly underestimated the extent to which affluence would play a part in this. Many true blue shires voting to Remain and many others only narrowly squeaking for Leave.

  23. “There’s been a failure of Leadership. He should go and he should go now.” Louise Ellman MP.

  24. A dispute last night at the CLP(Constituency Labour Party) meeting here last night. Around 150 people attended the meeting. Reports say a motion of no confidence in Louise Elliman was proposed but was rejected by the chair of the CLP so then a motion of no confidence in the chair was proposed which only failed by two votes. Similar events have been occurring all over Merseyside and also in Leicester west.

  25. BM11
    The internal rumblings of Riverside CLP have been known to local Lab members for a while sadly. Momentum are very strong in the local CLP but apparently the chair is an arch Blairite, apparently the local meetings range from being uncomfortable to downright unbearable and as I stated on anther thread the CLP essentially contains another CLP within it with the left generally meeting separately to the right.

  26. For those interested I attended a hustings event for Labs candidate for Mersey mayor hosted by Liverpool Young Labour today, my analysis is as follows.

    Joe Anderson 3/10
    Poor performance by Joe, answered every question like a typical politician by worming it onto a topic he was more comfortable with, a question was asked about student accommodation and he wriggled onto housing in general, a question was asked about blacklisting and he gave generic platitudes about supporting trade unions etc Also seriously lacked in the passion department, the only time he demonstrated any was when he was defending his own past statements on devolution of health services. Also at the end of the session Luciana and Steve stayed for follow up questions and casual chats with members of the audience but Joe left immediately with no reason given.

    Luciana Berger 7/10
    A solid performance, she clearly has passion for the position and has some solid policies across a range of issues (some surprisingly left wing) She was definitely the most “substance heavy” candidate and was very eager to flesh out her policy ideas. However the question remains is it all talk? I asked her a question and she gave a fairly nuanced answer but when I spoke to her afterwards she had totally changed her tune and just seemed to be telling me what I wanted to hear, possibly disingenuous? Also she seemed to be trying a bit too hard to come across as “normal” and like most politicians it came of a little bit creepy at times. All in all though a performance she can be pleased about.

    Steve Rotherham 8/10
    First and foremost he was definitely the candidate most comfortable in his own skin, he brought his entire family along, made multiple funny jokes, a few light digs at the Tories and constant emphasis of his local working class roots and from what I could tell it worked. Even when addressing the whole audience it felt like he was talking to you one on one (in my follow up chat with him he had a literally identical style), he definitely comes across as personable and relatable. Obviously the most left wing candidate with big emphasis on fighting inequality in the city and what policies he did mention were very bold however while he didn’t dodge questions a lot of the time his answers condensed down to little more that “I understand the severity of the issue and I’m the guy to deal with it” however that very often worked brilliantly, for example on a question on mental health services (Berger’s area of expertise) he totally neutered her frankly excellent answer with a personable tale about how he helped a suicidal constituent. Also very clearly pitched himself to Corbynista’s mentioning explicitly his continued support for Corbyn (Berger didn’t look happy at that point) Thus a very good performance for Rotherham even if a bit more policy detail wouldn’t go amiss.

    For the record I will be voting for Rotherham after not all that much deliberation.

  27. Very interesting thank you. If everyone felt the same way as you I think Joe Anderson is in huge trouble. Most polling shows that Luciana has this one in the bag and this should have been Joe’s chance as the current city mayor to show Luciana up. If he’s completely failed to do that as you’ve suggested he could be out of a job Very soon.

  28. Matt
    Has there been any polling on the Liverpool Metro Mayor? The only thing I’m aware of is a survey of LabourList readers that had Berger narrowly ahead which was probably due to little more than name recognition.

    As is though I think its a fight between Rotherham and Berger with Berger taking the “moderate” vote and Rotherham going for the left wing vote. I agree Anderson is in trouble, honestly I thought he was pretty much as soon as it emerged he wouldn’t go unchallenged for the role. Many Liverpool Lab members really don’t like Anderson for an array of reasons primarily the accusation that he’s a blatant careerist and in other parts of Merseyside he’s even less popular, viewed as an obnoxious egomaniac, apparently he almost single handedly derailed the whole devolution deal because he demanded to be chair of the meeting…

    As things stand I honestly think he’ll come last.

  29. With all the talk of Burnham getting the Manc Mayor nomination for Lab today and the result for the Mersey Mayor nomination tomorrow anybody want to make any predictions?

    As I said up thread I’m hoping its Rotherham but I’m sensing it’ll be close between Rothertham and Berger. Berger seems to be doing much better amongst young members than I anticipated. I expect Anderson to come a distant third.

  30. I’ve seen no polling, have no connections or anything, naively I would have thought Rotheram would be a shoo-in. Maybe his working-class background (and he is maybe the most working-class MP in parliament – okay maybe second behind Dennis Skinner) works against him, what with Labour’s members being far more middle-class than its voters.

    If Rotheram does win then that’s another Corbyn loyalist gone – and losing his PPS would be a real blow.

  31. “If Rotheram does win then that’s another Corbyn loyalist gone – and losing his PPS would be a real blow”

    True but speaking as a local I can tell you Walton is the most Corbyn friendly CLP in Liverpool, it would very likely nominate a die hard Corbynista as Rotherham’s replacement.

    Also the type of place where they could parachute in anyone and they’d still easily win and as much as I hate parachuting word is Corbyn and co have wanted to get former Ayrshire North MP and Corbyn’s current political secretary Katy Clark back into parliament.

  32. Corbyn has now had four by-elections in Labour seats, four chances to parachute in loyalists, and he hasn’t. For him, parachuting in candidates from central office is an undemocratic, Blairite practice. He will let the local party decide, because if he starts meddling in grassroots democracy he will lose the very structures that sustain him.

  33. Your probably right on that one.

  34. The NEC selecton panal was mostly 2-1 moderate before. I think it may be the otherway arround now.

  35. And Membership freezes meant not all the hardcore corbynites ( mostly post June 2015. Corbynites before then tend to more flexible and not as partisan with some exceptions). But a Leigh Bi election along with a Liverpool seat one would be different.

  36. “If Taffe is allowed back in, the Party really is over” according to a Labour Cllr on Merseyside.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/78062/militant-leader-peter-taaffe-attacks-stalinist-tom

  37. Merseyside Police have confirmed that the Labour Party has not requested their protection for any Conference next month.

    Technically the notice period required has now passed.

    This gets more farcical by the day.

  38. Momentum plot to unseat Ellman & Cllrs within Riverside CLP.

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/momentum-plot-liverpool-labour-riverside-11889907

    Even the first comment is Anti-Semitic, saying “Israel awaits [for Ellman]”

  39. Councillors already face re-selection so a challenge wouldn’t be difficult

  40. I’m not sure Taffe would be allowed back in as he has been a prominent member of the Socialist Party since his expulsion.

  41. Another day, another Momentum story:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics-37513813

    Manuel Cortes of TSSA says the vice-chair of Momentum must be expelled from Labour for her Anti-Semitism.

    The far Left don’t usually start to eat each other this quickly.

  42. That link doesn’t work.

  43. “Why s the Left so obsessed with Israel?”

    My theory is its because they analyse every conflict situation from the starting point of asking who are the victims and who are the oppressors. Once they’ve decided that one of those labels fits each of the sides the whole thing becomes a cause célèbre. Unjust acts by the side accorded victim status are glossed over as the inevitable result of the oppression they suffer, while ones committed by the other side provide further proof of their oppressor status.

    A long time ago the left decided that in the Israel/Palestine conflict the latter were the victims and the former the oppressors. That created a situation in which, in the world of the hard left activist, individual Israelis can only ever be victims in the most qualified of senses. In that environment anti-semitism can easily flourish, and the terrible results of that are there for all to see.

  44. Kieran
    With the greatest possible respect most of that is utter carp. Not all mind some of it is right on the money for example the lefts perception that Palestine are the victims but by and large that was the typical regurgitated mainstream “analysis” that makes anybody on the left sigh with exasperation.

    Like if someone asked the question “why are the right critical of the welfare state?” and I responded “cos their all rich and selfish and thus resent having their money spent on something they don’t use” there’s some truth to that but on the whole its way off the mark as I’m sure you’d agree.

  45. John Mann MP has said she must be expelled.

    In her defence (if you could call it that), I found it bizarre that she thinks Jews “celebrate” HMD. Commemorate surely. She really needs to just stop digging and go.

  46. As an aside rumour I’ve heard is that Ellman was considering retirement in 2020 (unsurprising) and that the left of the CLP are already grooming Hillsborough Justice campaigner (and Corbynista) Sheila Coleman as her replacement. Ellman is again unsurprisingly not fond of the favourite for replacing her and is supposedly considering the age old trick of postponing retirement to prevent the favoured successor getting in and consequently there are even more rows in this CLP.

    If people want to speculate on de-selections I’d have this as the most likely (after Danczuk in Rochdale)

  47. Rivers10 – if you agree with Keiran W’s take that the Left see Palestinians as the victims, what part of his analysis are you disagreeing with|?

  48. Coleman was one of the Corbynistas who signed a TUSC nomination paper in May.

    I imagine that stops her from even being an Approved Candidate, let alone bidding to be a PPC or MP here.

    I don’t know her age, but she doesn’t look much younger than Ellman either, so all in all would be an odd choice for a fresh challenger.

    I imagine the CLP would be suspended before that happened. Unless they deselect all of the Cllrs too, who are all supportive of Ellman here.

  49. Lancs
    “If you agree with Keiran W’s take that the Left see Palestinians as the victims, what part of his analysis are you disagreeing with?”

    The premise that this is the sole reason for the lefts support of Palestine, the supposed “victim status”

    The presumption our view is totally jaded, i.e we cant see Palestinian atrocities and overlook Israeli suffering.

    The overarching suggestion that the left don’t understand the conflict and condense it down to really simplistic terms when in my experience the right are more guilty of that.

    Amongst other things.

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