Are there anymore BNP councillors in Barking? If so will they have to stand as Ind

AFAIK there’s only one BNP councillor in the whole country (in Pendle)

actually that should probably now read “there WAS only one BNP councillor…” 😀

They aren’t really that professional of an outfit are they?

Just looked at the old page for Barking on UKPR and the white percentage in 2001 was 83% which means white British was probably around 80%. Could be less than 40% now. Astonishing rate of change. 2001 doesn’t seem that long ago to me, although it probably does to others.

“In terms of demographic change, 15 years is a long time.”

Its less than a generation and Andy’s calculation suggests that over half the population of this constituency has changed during that time.

@Maxim

Not really, and we’re only talking 10 years because we’re comparing 2001 with 2011. Though it does happen faster in London than elsewhere, of course.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/11/barking-vote-leave-eu-labour-queen-birthday-parties?CMP=twt_gu

Very interesting article about the views and voting intentions of the people of this seat regarding the forthcoming EU Referendum.

If REMAIN are unable to win over residents in a seat of this nature (as the article suggests), then we’re in for a huge surprise on 24th June!

MP-R – taht’scos you’re so young! Ha

Such change really is rapid and previously unheard of.

Hence the BBC docu re Newham too.

Christian – I would have expected here to Vote Leave irrespective of the national outcome though.

UKIP got 22% here last May, despite a high profile MP who must have a relatively strong personal vote. So whilst there has been demographic change there is still a fair chunk of WWC. Barking and Dagenham will very likely go Leave.

The analysis from Hanretty which Jack Sheldon linked showed Barking and Dagenham as being on the leave side, but only by a fairly arrow margin (7 points, I think).

Barking is very strongly ethnic today and increasingly Dagenham too. Remember half of Dagenham & Rainham constituency is in Havering borough. If B&D votes Leave or even only narrowly Remain, it’s a sure indicator that the ethnic vote isn’t coming out strongly enough for Remain and that Leave is set to win clearly. I’d say the British (as opposed to East European) WWC population in B&D today is maximum 30%. Not enough for Leave to win without some ethnic support, unless the turnout is awful.

The polling I’d seen suggested that the BAME vote is dividing about 2:1 for Remain, and that this was on a lower likelihood to vote that average.

James E – I agree.

It’ll be interesting how that breaks down. I recall in Scotland the Jewish vote was heavily No (and heavily Tory last month as it was amongst Jews in the 2015 GE.)

Sikhs & Hindus just favoured Tories over Labour, but Labour had a huge lead amongst the Muslim community and amongst the Black population.

Looking at the figures by James Hanretty which Jack Sheldon linked on the Europe South East page, these seem to me rather lower than I would have expected for Remain in places with high Asian populations; one that stood out for me was the narrow Remain lead in Redbridge, but I think the same is true of Bradford, or indeed Birmingham.

Yes. A Leicester seat might show that up best (for Hindus) and maybe Wolvs re Sikhs.

There’s a Ref joint poll with the Jewish Chroncle (as they did in 2015), but I’m not sure when it’s due out. In fact IIRC the 2015 one only came out after the GE. But I don’t know if that was deliberate editorial policy or just down to timing.

(Incidentally I wouldn’t usually consider the Jewish vote to come under BAME but I know some do)

The BME vote is notoriously hard to poll. What I would say is that there is no particular reason to think people from non-EU BME backgrounds should be more pro-EU than average once other factors (income group, party preference, location etc.) are accounted for. In fact it is likely that some resent the ease with which people from EU countries can come to the UK when they/their friends and family had to meet strict criteria.

The Guardian has an article on Barking. The Barking and Dagenham recorder apparently did ‘a poll’ and it was 67% for leave. So I can see Leave winning the Borough.
BAME support for Leave seems to have declined in recent weeks. Reaction to Immigration gaining more of a focus in the debate and the more Tv Coverage for People like Farrage who are especially unpopular among many BAME people probably among the reasons why.

Anecdotally interesting but surely it was a voodoo poll and therefore unreliable. I can’t see a local newspaper having the funds to commission a scientifically accurate survey.

I think it was as basic as voting online which anyone could do.

JS – true.

Although the Jewish Chronicle/Survation ones have been accurate in 2005, 2010, 2015 GEs, Scottish Ref etc.

Their samples are usually over 1,000 and weighted so as to include a rep sample of the J community ie London, Manc, etc. IIRC their last poll in March had the community almost evenly split and similar to the then UK polls and 20% undecided.

There was an article from a religious Jew supporting Brexit and I know a couple have stood for UKIP up here in the NW Euros and locals in Salford.

Scanning the figures on the spreadsheet (posted on Cambridge) then leave are ahead in most small town rural areas and many old Labour areas, and would surely win.

My current guess as to the overall result is a very narrow win for Remain but England voting Leave, not a happy situation in many respects.

Terrible.
If we are to stay in the damn thing then I think I’d rather it had more robust support.
If nearly all the ordinary Tory and Labour areas vote out (outside London) then this is very serious.
But I don’t yet know what is likely to happen.
I think the credible range is still from remain by a good few points as people go back to the “status quo” to a leave win by about 4%

Tory rural and old Labour I think I meant to say

There is something in me that would like to take the plunge – but as you said Andy, I am inside the M25

That was a bit of crass comment from me before, apologies.

@ Joe James B

“Scanning the figures on the spreadsheet (posted on Cambridge) then leave are ahead in most small town rural areas and many old Labour areas, and would surely win.”

Those figures are modelled around a result which is effectively a tie. It does look like a Leave win, as they are shown ahead in so much of England, but Remain’s leads tend to be in more populous council areas.

MP-R – the caveat being that the above % are Census figures ie they count under 18s.

Half of the UK BME population are under 30 (and we know the lower propensity to be registered and to vote amongst the black population in particular).

In short, an area can be eg 20% Asian but they only account for 10% of the votes in ballot boxes for those reasons once the marked registers are checked, as happened in a few marginal in 2015 such as Bury N.

Conversely there are cases where BME turnout is higher than the rest of the population, but that’s usually in local elections where eg a community figure is standing and gets the vote out almost en bloc.

Maxim
Hounslow will probably only vote Leave in leave win by a landslide. There will be a very significant leave vote in the WWC parts of Heston but I think this will be easily outweighed by ethnic minority voters in Hounslow proper, students in Brentford and middle class liberal Tories in Chiswick.

I agree re Hounslow. It’s changed dramatically since the BNP had a small presence there in a couple of ward by-elections in the ’90s.

There’s a high churn of the electorate there due to DWP Welfare Reform so turnout won’t be huge.

Hillingdon is most likely of those three to vote leave.

@rivers10 Heston is very multicultural and thus will probably vote to remain. The White working class Feltham will be where Brexit easily does the best in Hounslow.

Hillingdon could conceivably vote for Brexit, but in a 50-50 result I’d be surprised.

London is a worry from my perspective but it’s looking like Outer London isn’t quite doing it for Remain. I think this was a good Leave result.

Great slogan from an independent standing here :

https://www.facebook.com/votenoel/?pnref=story.unseen-section

“Barking Man
Barking Priorities”

Margaret Hodge has said McDonnell is using the language of the hard left.

“They don’t own the Party – and I say ‘not in my name.’ It was wrong to use the word murder.”

Didn’t know until a moment or 2 ago that the TV presenter William G.Stewart was once secretary to Tom Driberg (MP for this constituency 1959-1974).

https://stephendaisley.com/2018/07/18/some-replies-to-a-tweet-about-margaret-hodge/

What a lovely bunch of people…

Twitter is a horrible place sometimes

A lot of social media is toxic, not just Twitter. I think a lot of younger people would benefit massively from spending less time on it, particularly young women.

https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1030188276353822721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1030366922330787840&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsputniknews.com%2Fcolumnists%2F201808171067279563-jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-row-palestine%2F

Indeed, Margaret Hodge has gone too far now and most sane people know this.

Calls from the members of the Whatsapp group of Corbyn backers for Margret Hodge to be expelled from Labour.

Fortunately for Hodge, the recent anti semitism row means that she would have to do something far worse before being expelled.